Wait.. The Serpent is balanced but Kingpin needed a nerf??

BigBlueOx

Vega’s got the scoop on this one:
https://youtu.be/jvBT1YcQpvM?si=bHtXFmE80XyyCLvu

The hypocrisy and insanity of this is beyond goofy. Plus here comes a repeat of the the MoleMan drama. 3.5 years late and coupled with the Serpent news… just wow… way to go beyond a simple L.

Can’t make this stuff up…

Shock29

Kingpin wasn’t nerfed. He was fixed. His ISO-8 Debuff wasn’t functioning as his abilities stated, allowing for his AAR to stack beyond -65%.

To quote his abilities, “While this Degeneration is active, the opponent suffers -50% Attack Rating and -65% Defensive Ability Accuracy.”

BigBlueOx

3.5 years later… OK

EdisonLaw

Just release him as a 7* Kabam, the Godpin deserves justice

BigBlueOx

Shock29 said:

Kingpin wasn’t nerfed. He was fixed. His ISO-8 Debuff wasn’t functioning as his abilities stated, allowing for his AAR to stack beyond -65%.

To quote his abilities, “While this Degeneration is active, the opponent suffers -50% Attack Rating and -65% Defensive Ability Accuracy.”

I’ll refer you to the MoleMan “bug fix”. As to why this is a bad take.

ItsClobberinTime

Kabam: Congratulations! You guys asked so much for a nerf, here it is!

JT_Supreme

Yeah if we have serpent at this point just release all the champs no reason not too

BigBlueOx

ItsClobberinTime said:

Kabam: Congratulations! You guys asked so much for a nerf, here it is!

I’ll eat my hat if somebody didn’t utter the phrase, “hold my beer” when making these decisions this week

MorningstarIsBae

Shock29 said:

Kingpin wasn’t nerfed. He was fixed. His ISO-8 Debuff wasn’t functioning as his abilities stated, allowing for his AAR to stack beyond -65%.

To quote his abilities, “While this Degeneration is active, the opponent suffers -50% Attack Rating and -65% Defensive Ability Accuracy.”

Show me where it states a stack limit. There wae absolutely 0 reason for this nerf. And ofc with the serpent situation.. yeah that leaves a bad taste for most of us

Viper198787

I understand the reduction shouldn’t have stacked based on the description of the L1. However, it’s been 3.5 years. It clearly hasn’t been game breaking or they would’ve noticed and fixed it sooner. At some point you just have to take the loss and move on. Man everyone is getting adjusted down except Serpent. What madness.

Shock29

MorningstarIsBae said:

Shock29 said:

Kingpin wasn’t nerfed. He was fixed. His ISO-8 Debuff wasn’t functioning as his abilities stated, allowing for his AAR to stack beyond -65%.

To quote his abilities, “While this Degeneration is active, the opponent suffers -50% Attack Rating and -65% Defensive Ability Accuracy.”

Show me where it states a stack limit. There wae absolutely 0 reason for this nerf. And ofc with the serpent situation.. yeah that leaves a bad taste for most of us

Read his abilities again. It doesn't say "per Degeneration" or "for every Degeneration active." It simply says, "While this Degeneration is active..."

Nemesis_17

All of my mcoc emotions in the past 2 days have just been 🤦

Emilia90

Kabam on their way to announce a ton of hype stuff and a great saga chase just to shoot themselves in the foot with the serpent news and KP stuff is honestly hilarious

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Viper198787

Emilia90 said:

Kabam on their way to announce a ton of hype stuff and a great saga chase just to shoot themselves in the foot with the serpent news and KP stuff is honestly hilarious

2024 is quite the roller coaster. Almost all the champ releases and rebalance information has been awful but the content announcements have been great. My emotions are in a blender right now.

Darkness275

MorningstarIsBae said:

Shock29 said:

Kingpin wasn’t nerfed. He was fixed. His ISO-8 Debuff wasn’t functioning as his abilities stated, allowing for his AAR to stack beyond -65%.

To quote his abilities, “While this Degeneration is active, the opponent suffers -50% Attack Rating and -65% Defensive Ability Accuracy.”

Show me where it states a stack limit. There wae absolutely 0 reason for this nerf. And ofc with the serpent situation.. yeah that leaves a bad taste for most of us

Unless you believe Kingpin's intention was to also reduce an opponent's Attack Rating by 100% (or more), it's pretty clear. That same special also states that Attack Rating is reduced by 50%. Two stacks didn't give the opponent 100% reduction of attack rating. If that didn't stack, the AAR shouldn't have stacked.

Vega states the exact same thing in the video linked in the original post. Clearly you didn't watch it.

Pikolu

On the bright side, Onslaught was buffed

Emilia90

Viper198787 said:

Emilia90 said:

Kabam on their way to announce a ton of hype stuff and a great saga chase just to shoot themselves in the foot with the serpent news and KP stuff is honestly hilarious

2024 is quite the roller coaster. Almost all the champ releases and rebalance information has been awful but the content announcements have been great. My emotions are in a blender right now.

Yeah it’s crazy. The buff team and content team have been killing it, the champ release and balance team on the other hand…not so much

Squidopus

Viper198787 said:

I understand the reduction shouldn’t have stacked based on the description of the L1. However, it’s been 3.5 years. It clearly hasn’t been game breaking or they would’ve noticed and fixed it sooner. At some point you just have to take the loss and move on. Man everyone is getting adjusted down except Serpent. What madness.

I agree with your take that they probably should’ve just left Kingpin as is but wdym by “everyone is getting adjusted down”? Even if we’re including bug fixes, the only recent ones I can think of is Shocker (which was really only relevant to Maestro and a few random nodes), Zemo via the root fix, and Bullseye who definitely deserved it. Am I forgetting about some other things?

Csutton

Shock29 said:

Kingpin wasn’t nerfed. He was fixed. His ISO-8 Debuff wasn’t functioning as his abilities stated, allowing for his AAR to stack beyond -65%.

To quote his abilities, “While this Degeneration is active, the opponent suffers -50% Attack Rating and -65% Defensive Ability Accuracy.”

Yes. But it doesn’t give a stack limit like almost every other significant buff/debuff or ability in the game. An easier fix would have been updating his description.

ItsClobberinTime

Also not to nitpick and not saying this would be a huge deal, but Galan's sp2 has been bugged for years now too and it still doesn't apply the correct amount of incinerates lmao.

Emilia90

ItsClobberinTime said:

Also not to nitpick and not saying this would be a huge deal, but Galan's sp2 has been bugged for years now too and it still doesn't apply the correct amount of incinerates lmao.

Probably never getting fixed. Just like AA being broken for years now

BigBlueOx

Viper198787 said:

Emilia90 said:

Kabam on their way to announce a ton of hype stuff and a great saga chase just to shoot themselves in the foot with the serpent news and KP stuff is honestly hilarious

2024 is quite the roller coaster. Almost all the champ releases and rebalance information has been awful but the content announcements have been great. My emotions are in a blender right now.

Is there a rebalance team? I thought it was just a crtl+c and crtl+v machine with ChatGPT replacing the champion names.

jcphillips7

Emilia90 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Also not to nitpick and not saying this would be a huge deal, but Galan's sp2 has been bugged for years now too and it still doesn't apply the correct amount of incinerates lmao.

Probably never getting fixed. Just like AA being broken for years now

I'm hoping Dust, Bishop, etc not giving burst damage when a debuff is purified isn't going to be added to that list. I only recently saw the forum post floating around, so I'm hoping this is relatively new, and worst case it's fixed by October's build.

BigBlueOx

jcphillips7 said:

Emilia90 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Also not to nitpick and not saying this would be a huge deal, but Galan's sp2 has been bugged for years now too and it still doesn't apply the correct amount of incinerates lmao.

Probably never getting fixed. Just like AA being broken for years now

I'm hoping Dust, Bishop, etc not giving burst damage when a debuff is purified isn't going to be added to that list. I only recently saw the forum post floating around, so I'm hoping this is relatively new, and worst case it's fixed by October's build.

Probably will be alongside the double medium reparry that’s turned into any hit can now be reparried. If they fix it Dust and Bishop might take damage back instead with the way it’s going

SirGamesBond

Thank you, I love this nerf.
I love you Kabam! 🌚

IlociaM

They also fixed Galan right?.... Right? 😂 😂

EdisonLaw

IlociaM said:

They also fixed Galan right?.... Right? 😂 😂

Well still not yet after two years he was released

DarkNightRise

They nerf or “fix” Kingpin meanwhile Titania bugged for more than haft of year but no response on it. What a joke!

Demonzfyre

BigBlueOx said:

3.5 years later… OK

Aren't you part of the crowd that screams Kabam fixes pro player bugs instantly?

EdisonLaw

Viper198787 said:

Emilia90 said:

Kabam on their way to announce a ton of hype stuff and a great saga chase just to shoot themselves in the foot with the serpent news and KP stuff is honestly hilarious

2024 is quite the roller coaster. Almost all the champ releases and rebalance information has been awful but the content announcements have been great. My emotions are in a blender right now.

August was pretty good with BRB and Enchantress, and September is also looking pretty good as well.