As someone who did pick double Masacre regardless, he’s plenty viable in bgs. You don’t have to get fancy with him at all with some complicated rotation, you just ignite his bat, inflict a few incinerates, and land a sp2 into block to delete opponents. For my r2 7* this is usually enough to kill an opponent in 30-40 seconds. He’s probably not better than Starky but if you just like Masacre more for whatever reason I wouldn’t say you’re shooting yourself in the foot so much as maybe stubbing your toe. Just pick whoever you’re more comfortable with.
I’m not sure why people don’t use him then. Even Lag who picked Masacre and Sparky has recently said he wishes he duped Sparky because he just never uses Masacre. I don’t know if influence from CCPs that tend to favor Sparky more or if he objectively really is the better champ, I just tend to see him more and hear more about him. If they ever end up making him available in some other way I’d definitely like to pick him up.
IMO it’s probably just a lack of utility. Masacre’s damage isn’t and never really was a problem, he just doesn’t do much beyond that and people probably prefer other options if they’re looking for raw damage.
Masacre’s utility list is DAAR (not super good DAAR, and needs you to burn power and time with sp1 for the best benefit), a bit of extra power gain, and some incinerates. That’s kinda it unless you consider his hit into block playstyle a utility unto itself. Starky has light power control, taunt, and evades specials (highly useful for Photon and some difficult to dex specials), which tend to give him better matchup spreads. Even outside of the CCP champ pool, a lot of champs can match up to Masacre’s damage while offering more than just that damage in difficult matchups.
Basically if you’ve got a well developed roster like all the top of the top players do you usually have better options than Masacre, and if you’ve completed the CCP challenges you arguably are said top player. I still use him cuz he’s fun and I don’t tend to rank up a glut of ludicrous damage dealers for bgs, but while his performance is technically good you can often replace him with other champs and not miss out.
I went with both. I did some testing with them both as r1 6*, starky s20 Masacre unduped. For battlegrounds rotations they were both doing close to the same times, and while starky is imo a more versatile champ, I just feel so uncomfortable playing him. Out of nowhere the ai will go from throwing one hit and dashing back to throwing multiple, or I’ll try to parry and my auto evade kicks in through block making me eat a combo. I still think he’s an awesome champ which is why I took him once, knowing that in the future when we have ags I can still give him a second chance.
I’ve heard some say Masacre needs the dupe but I really have had no trouble getting up ignited with him unduped and I can very easily nail the slight delay before throwing a special. I find him more fun to play personally which at the end of the day is the whole point.
I think double starky is objectively the best play as shown by the poll, and id probably vote for him if someone else made the poll. For me though, I feel like this was the play.
I went with both. I did some testing with them both as r1 6*, starky s20 Masacre unduped. For battlegrounds rotations they were both doing close to the same times, and while starky is imo a more versatile champ, I just feel so uncomfortable playing him. Out of nowhere the ai will go from throwing one hit and dashing back to throwing multiple, or I’ll try to parry and my auto evade kicks in through block making me eat a combo. I still think he’s an awesome champ which is why I took him once, knowing that in the future when we have ags I can still give him a second chance.
I’ve heard some say Masacre needs the dupe but I really have had no trouble getting up ignited with him unduped and I can very easily nail the slight delay before throwing a special. I find him more fun to play personally which at the end of the day is the whole point.
I think double starky is objectively the best play as shown by the poll, and id probably vote for him if someone else made the poll. For me though, I feel like this was the play.
You explained exactly my thought process I went through initially when I had the choice.
I went with both. I did some testing with them both as r1 6*, starky s20 Masacre unduped. For battlegrounds rotations they were both doing close to the same times, and while starky is imo a more versatile champ, I just feel so uncomfortable playing him. Out of nowhere the ai will go from throwing one hit and dashing back to throwing multiple, or I’ll try to parry and my auto evade kicks in through block making me eat a combo. I still think he’s an awesome champ which is why I took him once, knowing that in the future when we have ags I can still give him a second chance.
I’ve heard some say Masacre needs the dupe but I really have had no trouble getting up ignited with him unduped and I can very easily nail the slight delay before throwing a special. I find him more fun to play personally which at the end of the day is the whole point.
I think double starky is objectively the best play as shown by the poll, and id probably vote for him if someone else made the poll. For me though, I feel like this was the play.
You explained exactly my thought process I went through initially when I had the choice.
Which challenge was your most/least favorite?
I would like to hear as well, especially the tigra challenge, I hate playing her
I went with both. I did some testing with them both as r1 6*, starky s20 Masacre unduped. For battlegrounds rotations they were both doing close to the same times, and while starky is imo a more versatile champ, I just feel so uncomfortable playing him. Out of nowhere the ai will go from throwing one hit and dashing back to throwing multiple, or I’ll try to parry and my auto evade kicks in through block making me eat a combo. I still think he’s an awesome champ which is why I took him once, knowing that in the future when we have ags I can still give him a second chance.
I’ve heard some say Masacre needs the dupe but I really have had no trouble getting up ignited with him unduped and I can very easily nail the slight delay before throwing a special. I find him more fun to play personally which at the end of the day is the whole point.
I think double starky is objectively the best play as shown by the poll, and id probably vote for him if someone else made the poll. For me though, I feel like this was the play.
You explained exactly my thought process I went through initially when I had the choice.
Which challenge was your most/least favorite?
Least favorite was easily Tigra. I know some say mojo is more difficult but not for me. I can’t play her very well which doesn’t help, but it felt like she just straight up didn’t work for have the fights and I was just being forced through this for the sake of it. Some fights were fun, the right side was pretty chill which is why I wish it was eop acceptance and not grief incarnate. Would’ve been way more enjoyable imo. Jabari was hella fun to use and I saw why she was there and the role she played. That’s what I loved, seeing why a particular champ was picked for the quest. Tigra just felt forced to me. Took me 45 revives I think. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news @captain_rogers lol.
Mojo did the same things that I didn’t like about the Tigra challenge aka feeling like he was forced in and not that he counters anything. Some fights you can’t actually ramp him and it just becomes a slog, modok especially. A few fights were quite fun though where I got to ramp him and watch the degens tick. It’s also soooo nice that you get to stop halfway through would’ve been a nightmare if it was the whole thing lmao. Took me 1 team and 8 single revives. Both of mike’s took more but this one was more difficult then those 2. Not sure why it was so cheap tbh lol.
The avengers challenge was definitely my favorite… except spider gwen. Nobody ever talked about her as a tough fight but god she was maybe the worst fight in both of mike’s challenges. You have to use Hawkeye for her because she’s immune to aar. You have to heavy to get the slow up but you can’t parry or heavy counter her heavy, so you have to heavy counter her sp1. But because the slow isn’t up yet she can evade your heavy and punish before you can recover, and we all know how hard her basics hit. Basically if you get unlucky you’re just cooked. Anyway, this challenge did exactly what I accused the other two of not doing. I understood exactly why each member of the team was there, and I was amazed at how I used each champ for close to an equal amount of fights. Everyone earned their spot on the team and there were no overly toxic fights imo. (except Gwen lmao) took me 3 or 4 team and around 25 single revives.
Zemo I expected not to like but he was actually pretty fun to use. There’s so many instances where his disorient and decelerate come into play and geez is it nice. There’s a couple fights he doesn’t counter at all but he’s at least usable for almost all of them. This one took me somewhere between 30-35 revives but I used an unascended r4 and kept cides on which definitely cost me some extra items.
I don’t really remember lagacy’s challenges since I did them a while ago but there wasn’t much that stood out to me about them other than starky only autoevading when I didn’t want him to. They weren’t too difficult and still were fun overall but I personally like both of mike’s more.
I went with both. I did some testing with them both as r1 6*, starky s20 Masacre unduped. For battlegrounds rotations they were both doing close to the same times, and while starky is imo a more versatile champ, I just feel so uncomfortable playing him. Out of nowhere the ai will go from throwing one hit and dashing back to throwing multiple, or I’ll try to parry and my auto evade kicks in through block making me eat a combo. I still think he’s an awesome champ which is why I took him once, knowing that in the future when we have ags I can still give him a second chance.
I’ve heard some say Masacre needs the dupe but I really have had no trouble getting up ignited with him unduped and I can very easily nail the slight delay before throwing a special. I find him more fun to play personally which at the end of the day is the whole point.
I think double starky is objectively the best play as shown by the poll, and id probably vote for him if someone else made the poll. For me though, I feel like this was the play.
You explained exactly my thought process I went through initially when I had the choice.
Which challenge was your most/least favorite?
Not OP but my thoughts:
• Mike’s challenges were the best. People gave him a lot of guff over it when the challenges first dropped but it was actually fun and interesting for most of the fights. Seeing the OG avengers hold their own was kinda nice, and it’s not like I had them maxed out to cloud my judgement; I used a r1 7* unduped Antman, r3 6* unascended Iron man, Thor, and BW, and a f’in maxed 5* Hawkeye. Still felt like they put in surprising work. Favorite was Zemo bc I like Zemo and he really could just solo most of the fights, plus a lot of them felt like you needed finesse to do and it felt cool to win those fights. • Lagacy’s Starky challenges were whatever. Didn’t care for them. They were the “easiest” but they also weren’t fun to do. I also seriously question the decision to make me do a boss fight built around blocking specials to control my power bar with a champion that auto-evades specials uncontrollably. • Yeah Fintech’s were the worst. Mojo wasn’t actually as bad as people say IMO, MODOK in particular (I used 5 revives but I took off 80% of his health in two runs, it’s about getting into a rhythm), but it wasn’t exactly a fun experience either. Tigra easily the worst, I don’t use her and quite a lot of the fights felt more bs than skillful or interesting (“shoutouts” to Dorm, Bishop, Havok, and goddamn Peni).
I went with both. I did some testing with them both as r1 6*, starky s20 Masacre unduped. For battlegrounds rotations they were both doing close to the same times, and while starky is imo a more versatile champ, I just feel so uncomfortable playing him. Out of nowhere the ai will go from throwing one hit and dashing back to throwing multiple, or I’ll try to parry and my auto evade kicks in through block making me eat a combo. I still think he’s an awesome champ which is why I took him once, knowing that in the future when we have ags I can still give him a second chance.
I’ve heard some say Masacre needs the dupe but I really have had no trouble getting up ignited with him unduped and I can very easily nail the slight delay before throwing a special. I find him more fun to play personally which at the end of the day is the whole point.
I think double starky is objectively the best play as shown by the poll, and id probably vote for him if someone else made the poll. For me though, I feel like this was the play.
You explained exactly my thought process I went through initially when I had the choice.
Which challenge was your most/least favorite?
Not OP but my thoughts:
• Mike’s challenges were the best. People gave him a lot of guff over it when the challenges first dropped but it was actually fun and interesting for most of the fights. Seeing the OG avengers hold their own was kinda nice, and it’s not like I had them maxed out to cloud my judgement; I used a r1 7* unduped Antman, r3 6* unascended Iron man, Thor, and BW, and a f’in maxed 5* Hawkeye. Still felt like they put in surprising work. Favorite was Zemo bc I like Zemo and he really could just solo most of the fights, plus a lot of them felt like you needed finesse to do and it felt cool to win those fights. • Lagacy’s Starky challenges were whatever. Didn’t care for them. They were the “easiest” but they also weren’t fun to do. I also seriously question the decision to make me do a boss fight built around blocking specials to control my power bar with a champion that auto-evades specials uncontrollably. • Yeah Fintech’s were the worst. Mojo wasn’t actually as bad as people say IMO, MODOK in particular (I used 5 revives but I took off 80% of his health in two runs, it’s about getting into a rhythm), but it wasn’t exactly a fun experience either. Tigra easily the worst, I don’t use her and quite a lot of the fights felt more bs than skillful or interesting (“shoutouts” to Dorm, Bishop, Havok, and goddamn Peni).
Almost completely identical to my opinions. The only difference was me liking the avengers challenge more than zemo but everything else is exactly the same lol
For me Mojo was by far the worst. The fights were 100% not fun. It was a revive fest. Just a slog of throwing revives and praying that I can do some damage. I don’t know that I had one solo with him, whereas I got multiple solo fights in the other challenges. It was far too punishing.
I went with both. I did some testing with them both as r1 6*, starky s20 Masacre unduped. For battlegrounds rotations they were both doing close to the same times, and while starky is imo a more versatile champ, I just feel so uncomfortable playing him. Out of nowhere the ai will go from throwing one hit and dashing back to throwing multiple, or I’ll try to parry and my auto evade kicks in through block making me eat a combo. I still think he’s an awesome champ which is why I took him once, knowing that in the future when we have ags I can still give him a second chance.
I’ve heard some say Masacre needs the dupe but I really have had no trouble getting up ignited with him unduped and I can very easily nail the slight delay before throwing a special. I find him more fun to play personally which at the end of the day is the whole point.
I think double starky is objectively the best play as shown by the poll, and id probably vote for him if someone else made the poll. For me though, I feel like this was the play.
Thats what the Sparky fans tend to leave out, is that AI reliance/ramp needed on building up to 10 poises. Sometimes the AI just doesn't want to dash into you
For me Mojo was by far the worst. The fights were 100% not fun. It was a revive fest. Just a slog of throwing revives and praying that I can do some damage. I don’t know that I had one solo with him, whereas I got multiple solo fights in the other challenges. It was far too punishing.
Yea I can totally see that, I think if you’re an at least decent Tigra player (which I evidently am not lol) then it’ll end up being easier than mojo. I think I also had really good ai cooperation during the mojo challenge whereas when I used Tigra it was some of the worst I’ve seen in a while.
I went with both. I did some testing with them both as r1 6*, starky s20 Masacre unduped. For battlegrounds rotations they were both doing close to the same times, and while starky is imo a more versatile champ, I just feel so uncomfortable playing him. Out of nowhere the ai will go from throwing one hit and dashing back to throwing multiple, or I’ll try to parry and my auto evade kicks in through block making me eat a combo. I still think he’s an awesome champ which is why I took him once, knowing that in the future when we have ags I can still give him a second chance.
I’ve heard some say Masacre needs the dupe but I really have had no trouble getting up ignited with him unduped and I can very easily nail the slight delay before throwing a special. I find him more fun to play personally which at the end of the day is the whole point.
I think double starky is objectively the best play as shown by the poll, and id probably vote for him if someone else made the poll. For me though, I feel like this was the play.
Thats what the Sparky fans tend to leave out, is that AI reliance/ramp needed on building up to 10 poises. Sometimes the AI just doesn't want to dash into you
From what I’ve heard passive ai usually isn’t the issue, and I personally was having trouble with overly aggresive ai, backing me into the corner at like 4-5 poise and forced to take blocked hits which is a lot of lost points in bgs. It is partly a skill issue on my part as I’ve seen other players deal with it better, but it’s still annoying having to count on the ai at all for a champ’s playstyle.
I'm too anxious about Tigra challenge lmao. I suck playing her. I believe it may take 100 revives for me.
The mono challenge was an awful experience. I used around 50 revives (30 revives in an earlier attempt where I quitted after few fights).
Warlock and Modok were a slog. That Mf warlock almost always fails your nullify whenever you need it, and modok just sucks. His Ai and animations are worst.
But I actually enjoyed fighting dragonman, He is completely managable. I've heard youtubers hyping about his unpredictable AI but He never got to sp3 when I was up against him.
To add for the convo, I also did Zemo challenge and it was one of the best experiences I had in a while. I was skeptical in the beginning but zemo can completely handle all the fights. He had something in his kit for each one of them. He worked well against fights he supposed to not do good, like domino or vision or Killmonger. He also completely cheesed thanos 3rd phase. Definitely a great challenge.
Btw anyone who attempted avengers challenge, Is Hawkeye dupe absolutely necessary? Otherwise I'll just use my 7* r1 unawakened.
It really helps with his specials. However, I did it with a duped 7*r1 Hawkeye. I think I got a perfect release just two times my whole run (it's the worst thing I'm at in the game), which essentially means I played like an unduped Hawkeye. So it is doable. If I could do perfect release though, I'd choose a 6r4 dupe over a 7r1. If it's a r3, then I'm not as sure. @captain_rogers
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Masacre’s utility list is DAAR (not super good DAAR, and needs you to burn power and time with sp1 for the best benefit), a bit of extra power gain, and some incinerates. That’s kinda it unless you consider his hit into block playstyle a utility unto itself. Starky has light power control, taunt, and evades specials (highly useful for Photon and some difficult to dex specials), which tend to give him better matchup spreads. Even outside of the CCP champ pool, a lot of champs can match up to Masacre’s damage while offering more than just that damage in difficult matchups.
Basically if you’ve got a well developed roster like all the top of the top players do you usually have better options than Masacre, and if you’ve completed the CCP challenges you arguably are said top player. I still use him cuz he’s fun and I don’t tend to rank up a glut of ludicrous damage dealers for bgs, but while his performance is technically good you can often replace him with other champs and not miss out.
I went with both. I did some testing with them both as r1 6*, starky s20 Masacre unduped. For battlegrounds rotations they were both doing close to the same times, and while starky is imo a more versatile champ, I just feel so uncomfortable playing him. Out of nowhere the ai will go from throwing one hit and dashing back to throwing multiple, or I’ll try to parry and my auto evade kicks in through block making me eat a combo. I still think he’s an awesome champ which is why I took him once, knowing that in the future when we have ags I can still give him a second chance.
I’ve heard some say Masacre needs the dupe but I really have had no trouble getting up ignited with him unduped and I can very easily nail the slight delay before throwing a special. I find him more fun to play personally which at the end of the day is the whole point.
I think double starky is objectively the best play as shown by the poll, and id probably vote for him if someone else made the poll. For me though, I feel like this was the play.
Which challenge was your most/least favorite?
Mojo did the same things that I didn’t like about the Tigra challenge aka feeling like he was forced in and not that he counters anything. Some fights you can’t actually ramp him and it just becomes a slog, modok especially. A few fights were quite fun though where I got to ramp him and watch the degens tick. It’s also soooo nice that you get to stop halfway through would’ve been a nightmare if it was the whole thing lmao. Took me 1 team and 8 single revives. Both of mike’s took more but this one was more difficult then those 2. Not sure why it was so cheap tbh lol.
The avengers challenge was definitely my favorite… except spider gwen. Nobody ever talked about her as a tough fight but god she was maybe the worst fight in both of mike’s challenges. You have to use Hawkeye for her because she’s immune to aar. You have to heavy to get the slow up but you can’t parry or heavy counter her heavy, so you have to heavy counter her sp1. But because the slow isn’t up yet she can evade your heavy and punish before you can recover, and we all know how hard her basics hit. Basically if you get unlucky you’re just cooked. Anyway, this challenge did exactly what I accused the other two of not doing. I understood exactly why each member of the team was there, and I was amazed at how I used each champ for close to an equal amount of fights. Everyone earned their spot on the team and there were no overly toxic fights imo. (except Gwen lmao) took me 3 or 4 team and around 25 single revives.
Zemo I expected not to like but he was actually pretty fun to use. There’s so many instances where his disorient and decelerate come into play and geez is it nice. There’s a couple fights he doesn’t counter at all but he’s at least usable for almost all of them. This one took me somewhere between 30-35 revives but I used an unascended r4 and kept cides on which definitely cost me some extra items.
I don’t really remember lagacy’s challenges since I did them a while ago but there wasn’t much that stood out to me about them other than starky only autoevading when I didn’t want him to. They weren’t too difficult and still were fun overall but I personally like both of mike’s more.
• Mike’s challenges were the best. People gave him a lot of guff over it when the challenges first dropped but it was actually fun and interesting for most of the fights. Seeing the OG avengers hold their own was kinda nice, and it’s not like I had them maxed out to cloud my judgement; I used a r1 7* unduped Antman, r3 6* unascended Iron man, Thor, and BW, and a f’in maxed 5* Hawkeye. Still felt like they put in surprising work. Favorite was Zemo bc I like Zemo and he really could just solo most of the fights, plus a lot of them felt like you needed finesse to do and it felt cool to win those fights.
• Lagacy’s Starky challenges were whatever. Didn’t care for them. They were the “easiest” but they also weren’t fun to do. I also seriously question the decision to make me do a boss fight built around blocking specials to control my power bar with a champion that auto-evades specials uncontrollably.
• Yeah Fintech’s were the worst. Mojo wasn’t actually as bad as people say IMO, MODOK in particular (I used 5 revives but I took off 80% of his health in two runs, it’s about getting into a rhythm), but it wasn’t exactly a fun experience either. Tigra easily the worst, I don’t use her and quite a lot of the fights felt more bs than skillful or interesting (“shoutouts” to Dorm, Bishop, Havok, and goddamn Peni).
The mono challenge was an awful experience. I used around 50 revives (30 revives in an earlier attempt where I quitted after few fights).
Warlock and Modok were a slog. That Mf warlock almost always fails your nullify whenever you need it, and modok just sucks. His Ai and animations are worst.
But I actually enjoyed fighting dragonman, He is completely managable. I've heard youtubers hyping about his unpredictable AI but He never got to sp3 when I was up against him.
To add for the convo, I also did Zemo challenge and it was one of the best experiences I had in a while. I was skeptical in the beginning but zemo can completely handle all the fights. He had something in his kit for each one of them. He worked well against fights he supposed to not do good, like domino or vision or Killmonger. He also completely cheesed thanos 3rd phase. Definitely a great challenge.