Crucible Roblin Path (Path 2)

Got a few questions, note: I do run suicides so if theyre punished heavily on any of the fights in this lane let me know.

7.3 and 7.4 Kang
To start, I keep seeing Serpent mentioned for both Kangs, but wouldn't he be better for 7.3 since the power gain helps for getting the right specials in? I can't see how he would be better than Gorr for 7.4 Kang since he doesn't have debuffs/unique debuffs. Gorr fulfils both the several and unique for both buffs and debuffs, so shouldn't he be the best here? I also have Venom , but I was planning to use him for Starky (though I can just use Roblin for Starky if Venom is better than Gorr or more suicide friendly). I do also have an r3 Juggs.

Mangog
Is Spider Gwen better than Silk ? Silk is 7r2 and SG is 7r1 but it looks like its not easy to keep him in the corner which is what Silk needs to maintain the slow

CGR
White Tiger or Sassy?

The Mutants
Between Namor, OML, and Sabretooth , who can you just nuke with any tech vs who needs a counter the most? I've heard LDS is very good for a lot of these , but obviously can't use her for all 3. My OS is only a 6* rank 3 and Nimrod 6* rank 4. Got a 7* rank 1 Rocket, r5a FAM and 7* r2 Red Skull.

Mr Negative / YJ
Can Nick work ? Would be in his 1st life since i'm running Suicides. I already have my 6* and 7* Onslaught planned for the Stealthy and Crossbones boss. How is Kingpin? I was going to use KP for YJ but if hes better than Fury , I can just use someone like Archangel for YJ instead.

Comments

SuperSam568

Definitely turn off recoil masteries,

I found serpent a little slow on final as I felt serpent didn’t get enough debuffs and buffs.(maybe I didn’t play him correctly). Should have gone with venom I think as he drop debuffs and buffs easily.

Not enough debuffs and buffs means wounded stage doesn’t go as quickly.

Definitely should have gone with venom in hindsight.

Not sure about silk and spidergwen, when I read the spec for the mango fight I went with sandman. Petrfies on sp1 stalled his power gain so he only ever threw sp1. He did go unstoppable, but you heal a lot from the staggers, so even if you get caught it’s no biggie. Alternative is to fire sandman sp2 and lock down his unstoppable. Soloed mangog with sandman sp1 spam (and stagger willpower healing).

CGR I think I ended up using sassy or someone. Can’t quite remember now. But just brute force it. Just need to be good at dexxing CGR sp1.

6 star rank 3s are fine, if they are good counters. It’ll just take longer.

So yes for omega sentinel vs oml. I’ve used awakened peni and was also ok for him.

For namor you just need any robot that bleed and poison immune. He’s really easy. Did it with ultron and namor soloed.

For sabretooth need a heal blocker with decent amount of stackable debuffs. So not warlock. Lady deathstrike is ideal yes.

Mr neg and Yellowjacket. Any solid skill champ can take them. Could even use 5 star and 6 star nick.

Mr neg u need bleeder or debufff shrugged as if you don’t have bleeds, he will apply incins , and he refers while you are incinerated. Kp would be ok, but not ideal as his shrug is only 60%. So there’s a chance in in will stick and he will heal.however… once u get 8 debuffs they drop. So you just need to keep hitting him and it’ll go away.

Yellowjacket isn’t hard at all. Just have to time specials for stun timer and parry heavy all the time. Kp would work fine here. Aq prob fine too but have to take care for the power sting stunning you when they expire.

captain_rogers

1- Serpent is better for 7.3 kang. 7.4 kang can be done by anyone, using the right champs make it easier. So use serpent for 7.3 kang and gorr for 7.4 kang.

2- mangog has stun immunity, so silk isn't ideal. I'll say use any stagger/buff duration reduction mystics? Champs like mojo, doom or hood should have easy time, unless you're saving them for somewhere else. Spider gwen works too.

3- Again for cgr, use a cleanse champ if you can. You wanna kill him ASAP, if he does a sp1, a sp2 and a heavy, you're done. You can survive one daminaton tho. Use sassy or cleanse champ (cheelith jabari or shang), Wigra sucks as he has power bond.

4- Definitely save nimrod for cable, unless you're using doom there. OS is ideal against oml. Use anyone for sabretooth, just don't get hit. FAM for namor. If you have 5* nimrod at r5, use him for Namor.

5- kingpin is best against YJ. Use nick for mr negative and play it slow.

Good luck!

SuperSam568

Gorr supposed to be good for final boss also. But I didn’t use him. Hopefully someone has some gameplay with him?

Stark spidey isn’t bad at all, bait sp1 don’t parry unless you need to (and if you do, watch the unblocakble timer). Ideally use Roblin or venom to prevent evades.so yes roblin should do fine.

Magrailothos

Mangog - if you've got Quicksilver, he's phenomenal for this fight. But SG would probably work.

I used Silk on Yellowjacket, because of the Flux dispersal.

CGR - yes, White Tiger works really well.

Can't remember the mutant fights well enough to say who needs a specific counter (although you'll need at least a bleed immune champ for Namor, preferably a robot), but the champs I used were:
Old Man Logan - Prowler 7r1 (solo)
Sabertooth - Ironheart 7r1 (solo)
Namor - Viv Vision 6r4Asc (1 rev)
I'd probably use Lady D on Sabertooth, for the multiple debuffs and Heal Block.

Serpent will probably be better for 7.4 Kang - I'd be concerned that possibly his power drain resistance will mess with your ability to manage power during the 7.3 Kang fight: remember, sometimes you want to use Kang's SP1 to drain yourself back to an SP1 or 2. But I'm no expert, there. I used:
Kang - Hyperion 7r1 (7 revs)
Superior Kang - Ultron 6r5Asc (2 revs)

Joker1976

~ I used Jugs for Kang and venom for superior Kang.
- CGR,..Red Mags wasted him.
- YJ i used AA
- Mr negative , ..Jabari
- Namor i used Nimrod
- OML i used LDS ( at the 10th hit just back off, be patient and wait out the falter timer).
- Mangog i believe i used Gwen but i kinda forget.
- Hope this helps ,.,good luck 🍀

Polygon

@SuperSam568 i grind arena so id prefer not to turn suicides off , hate wasting units on mastery switches. What fights are hard nos that suicidss just must be turned off for? Cause if anything it could also just help speed through the fights quicker , no? Unless theres some real bad heal block or nodes that punish the LC/DE

And yeah im leaning between Gorr and Venom for 7.4 Kang. Not sure why serpent was even mentioned because of the no debuffs he has.

Polygon

@captain_rogers my mojo is only r4 s200. Rintrah is r4 too. I have doom already for cable. I have tigra r5 ascended but planning to use her for super skrull. Is mojo at 6r4 better than spider gwen at 7r1? Im running suicides so i think spider gwen is the brst choice here. Dont have quicksilver at a high rank.

I think im just gonna nuke OML with r2 red skull, probably time the sp2 to be done right after the falter ends. 6r4 Nimrod or 6r5 ascended FAM for namor?

@Magrailothos brings up a good point that Serpents power drain resistance might actually backfire for using him on 7.3 kang cause you
Cant really block specials to get power drained. Cause of this I may just use my r3 juggs like @Joker1976 suggested

Joker1976

@captain_rogers my mojo is only r4 s200. Rintrah is r4 too. I have doom already for cable. I have tigra r5 ascended but planning to use her for super skrull. Is mojo at 6r4 better than spider gwen at 7r1? Im running suicides so i think spider gwen is the brst choice here. Dont have quicksilver at a high rank.

I think im just gonna nuke OML with r2 red skull, probably time the sp2 to be done right after the falter ends. 6r4 Nimrod or 6r5 ascended FAM for namor?

@Magrailothos brings up a good point that Serpents power drain resistance might actually backfire for using him on 7.3 kang cause you
Cant really block specials to get power drained. Cause of this I may just use my r3 juggs like @Joker1976 suggested

Yeah juggs was awesome for 7.3 Kang.
I ended up burning my Serpent early on for the OG Ultron,..one sp1 and it stops the annoying evade,.. and then just cheese him in the corner.

captain_rogers

Yeah mojo is better imo as he can handle all the nodes there. Just play it slower when he has that hatred mode on. Mojo is suicidely friendly as you can regen back the recoil damage.

Use nimrod for namor. Time your sp2 with crisis of opportunity timer. Can cheese him in two sp2.

Polygon

@captain_rogers my mojo is only r4 s200. Rintrah is r4 too. I have doom already for cable. I have tigra r5 ascended but planning to use her for super skrull. Is mojo at 6r4 better than spider gwen at 7r1? Im running suicides so i think spider gwen is the brst choice here. Dont have quicksilver at a high rank.

I think im just gonna nuke OML with r2 red skull, probably time the sp2 to be done right after the falter ends. 6r4 Nimrod or 6r5 ascended FAM for namor?

@Magrailothos brings up a good point that Serpents power drain resistance might actually backfire for using him on 7.3 kang cause you
Cant really block specials to get power drained. Cause of this I may just use my r3 juggs like @Joker1976 suggested
Yeah juggs was awesome for 7.3 Kang.
I ended up burning my Serpent early on for the OG Ultron,..one sp1 and it stops the annoying evade,.. and then just cheese him in the corner.

I either have Aarkus or Hercules for that ultron youre talking about depending on which Ultron. But if i use serpent for Sparky, then i can free up a spot for Venom. Just not sure if hes better than Gorr for 7.4 kang.

Joker1976

@captain_rogers my mojo is only r4 s200. Rintrah is r4 too. I have doom already for cable. I have tigra r5 ascended but planning to use her for super skrull. Is mojo at 6r4 better than spider gwen at 7r1? Im running suicides so i think spider gwen is the brst choice here. Dont have quicksilver at a high rank.

I think im just gonna nuke OML with r2 red skull, probably time the sp2 to be done right after the falter ends. 6r4 Nimrod or 6r5 ascended FAM for namor?

@Magrailothos brings up a good point that Serpents power drain resistance might actually backfire for using him on 7.3 kang cause you
Cant really block specials to get power drained. Cause of this I may just use my r3 juggs like @Joker1976 suggested
Yeah juggs was awesome for 7.3 Kang.
I ended up burning my Serpent early on for the OG Ultron,..one sp1 and it stops the annoying evade,.. and then just cheese him in the corner.

@captain_rogers my mojo is only r4 s200. Rintrah is r4 too. I have doom already for cable. I have tigra r5 ascended but planning to use her for super skrull. Is mojo at 6r4 better than spider gwen at 7r1? Im running suicides so i think spider gwen is the brst choice here. Dont have quicksilver at a high rank.

I think im just gonna nuke OML with r2 red skull, probably time the sp2 to be done right after the falter ends. 6r4 Nimrod or 6r5 ascended FAM for namor?

@Magrailothos brings up a good point that Serpents power drain resistance might actually backfire for using him on 7.3 kang cause you
Cant really block specials to get power drained. Cause of this I may just use my r3 juggs like @Joker1976 suggested
Yeah juggs was awesome for 7.3 Kang.
I ended up burning my Serpent early on for the OG Ultron,..one sp1 and it stops the annoying evade,.. and then just cheese him in the corner.
I either have Aarkus or Hercules for that ultron youre talking about depending on which Ultron. But if i use serpent for Sparky, then i can free up a spot for Venom. Just not sure if hes better than Gorr for 7.4 kang.

It’s the first Ultron you face (second one i used Herc).
Don’t overlook Red mags if you have him,.,depending on how many varieties you have,..he can eliminate a couple fights freeing up your other champs.
I used my R3 6* that wasted CGR and my maxed 5* for Starky,..which worked very well.

Polygon

@captain_rogers my mojo is only r4 s200. Rintrah is r4 too. I have doom already for cable. I have tigra r5 ascended but planning to use her for super skrull. Is mojo at 6r4 better than spider gwen at 7r1? Im running suicides so i think spider gwen is the brst choice here. Dont have quicksilver at a high rank.

I think im just gonna nuke OML with r2 red skull, probably time the sp2 to be done right after the falter ends. 6r4 Nimrod or 6r5 ascended FAM for namor?

@Magrailothos brings up a good point that Serpents power drain resistance might actually backfire for using him on 7.3 kang cause you
Cant really block specials to get power drained. Cause of this I may just use my r3 juggs like @Joker1976 suggested
Yeah juggs was awesome for 7.3 Kang.
I ended up burning my Serpent early on for the OG Ultron,..one sp1 and it stops the annoying evade,.. and then just cheese him in the corner.

@captain_rogers my mojo is only r4 s200. Rintrah is r4 too. I have doom already for cable. I have tigra r5 ascended but planning to use her for super skrull. Is mojo at 6r4 better than spider gwen at 7r1? Im running suicides so i think spider gwen is the brst choice here. Dont have quicksilver at a high rank.

I think im just gonna nuke OML with r2 red skull, probably time the sp2 to be done right after the falter ends. 6r4 Nimrod or 6r5 ascended FAM for namor?

@Magrailothos brings up a good point that Serpents power drain resistance might actually backfire for using him on 7.3 kang cause you
Cant really block specials to get power drained. Cause of this I may just use my r3 juggs like @Joker1976 suggested
Yeah juggs was awesome for 7.3 Kang.
I ended up burning my Serpent early on for the OG Ultron,..one sp1 and it stops the annoying evade,.. and then just cheese him in the corner.
I either have Aarkus or Hercules for that ultron youre talking about depending on which Ultron. But if i use serpent for Sparky, then i can free up a spot for Venom. Just not sure if hes better than Gorr for 7.4 kang.
It’s the first Ultron you face (second one i used Herc).
Don’t overlook Red mags if you have him,.,depending on how many varieties you have,..he can eliminate a couple fights freeing up your other champs.
I used my R3 6* that wasted CGR and my maxed 5* for Starky,..which worked very well.

Mags for CGR was a complete cheese fest, just ignoded all the nodes? I might use him over Sassy and Whiger then.

I just checked and I actually do have a max rank 5* mags as well but the other fights i can think of him being used for are the sparky/stealthy and crossbones. And i think Venom/Serpent/Onslaught are probably better than the 5* for those. I could probably even get away with using a 6r3 Havok for Xbones to free up 1 of my Onslaughts.

Joker1976

@captain_rogers my mojo is only r4 s200. Rintrah is r4 too. I have doom already for cable. I have tigra r5 ascended but planning to use her for super skrull. Is mojo at 6r4 better than spider gwen at 7r1? Im running suicides so i think spider gwen is the brst choice here. Dont have quicksilver at a high rank.

I think im just gonna nuke OML with r2 red skull, probably time the sp2 to be done right after the falter ends. 6r4 Nimrod or 6r5 ascended FAM for namor?

@Magrailothos brings up a good point that Serpents power drain resistance might actually backfire for using him on 7.3 kang cause you
Cant really block specials to get power drained. Cause of this I may just use my r3 juggs like @Joker1976 suggested
Yeah juggs was awesome for 7.3 Kang.
I ended up burning my Serpent early on for the OG Ultron,..one sp1 and it stops the annoying evade,.. and then just cheese him in the corner.

@captain_rogers my mojo is only r4 s200. Rintrah is r4 too. I have doom already for cable. I have tigra r5 ascended but planning to use her for super skrull. Is mojo at 6r4 better than spider gwen at 7r1? Im running suicides so i think spider gwen is the brst choice here. Dont have quicksilver at a high rank.

I think im just gonna nuke OML with r2 red skull, probably time the sp2 to be done right after the falter ends. 6r4 Nimrod or 6r5 ascended FAM for namor?

@Magrailothos brings up a good point that Serpents power drain resistance might actually backfire for using him on 7.3 kang cause you
Cant really block specials to get power drained. Cause of this I may just use my r3 juggs like @Joker1976 suggested
Yeah juggs was awesome for 7.3 Kang.
I ended up burning my Serpent early on for the OG Ultron,..one sp1 and it stops the annoying evade,.. and then just cheese him in the corner.
I either have Aarkus or Hercules for that ultron youre talking about depending on which Ultron. But if i use serpent for Sparky, then i can free up a spot for Venom. Just not sure if hes better than Gorr for 7.4 kang.
It’s the first Ultron you face (second one i used Herc).
Don’t overlook Red mags if you have him,.,depending on how many varieties you have,..he can eliminate a couple fights freeing up your other champs.
I used my R3 6* that wasted CGR and my maxed 5* for Starky,..which worked very well.
Mags for CGR was a complete cheese fest, just ignoded all the nodes? I might use him over Sassy and Whiger then.

I just checked and I actually do have a max rank 5* mags as well but the other fights i can think of him being used for are the sparky/stealthy and crossbones. And i think Venom/Serpent/Onslaught are probably better than the 5* for those. I could probably even get away with using a 6r3 Havok for Xbones to free up 1 of my Onslaughts.

Yeah Havok for xbones is the way i went (just hit into block).
Stealth i used Bullseye cause i had Domino for Taskmaster.
Other good counters i can think of was Hulkling for Warlock and Rintrah for Psycho man.
….Vox for Darkhawk worked very well too.

Joker1976

@Polygon if you already have good counters for the CGR, you could always use your mags somewhere else…such as the #metal spider champs or Warlock or something.
He might be more valuable used elsewhere.

BuggyDClown

For Kang - Hype
For kang 2- Gorr or venom

For mangog I think I used Void
CGR- Blade is awesome choice, easy fight

Turn of suicides

I'm in office,
Once I get time I'll write it down here

Cap_Murica

@captain_rogers my mojo is only r4 s200. Rintrah is r4 too. I have doom already for cable. I have tigra r5 ascended but planning to use her for super skrull. Is mojo at 6r4 better than spider gwen at 7r1? Im running suicides so i think spider gwen is the brst choice here. Dont have quicksilver at a high rank.

I think im just gonna nuke OML with r2 red skull, probably time the sp2 to be done right after the falter ends. 6r4 Nimrod or 6r5 ascended FAM for namor?

@Magrailothos brings up a good point that Serpents power drain resistance might actually backfire for using him on 7.3 kang cause you
Cant really block specials to get power drained. Cause of this I may just use my r3 juggs like @Joker1976 suggested

Silk absolutely smoked Mangog. Mine is 7R2, I used 3-hit combo, MLL and finished with a heavy.
6R3 Symbiote Supreme destroyed Skrull. I don't run suicides, but I do have MD at 4/5. The power gain in that fight is insane. Back to back to back SP3's and Skrull was down in 30 seconds.

6R4 Miles Morales cheese against CGR.

I used Hype for 7.3 Kang and Venom for 7.4.

Polygon

@Polygon if you already have good counters for the CGR, you could always use your mags somewhere else…such as the #metal spider champs or Warlock or something.
He might be more valuable used elsewhere.

@Joker1976 thanks for the mags suggestion, im gonna use him for old balls logan. Sassy/white tiger should be able to handle CGR.

Polygon

Has anyone done this path with suicides btw? My concern is the 2 Kang Boss fights since theres a ton of specials id have to be throwing.

Plan was to use Venom for 7.4 Kang and Juggs or CGR for 7.3 Kang