Toad fight proves how bad Deathless Vision is
MethodMan69
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Had the most fun playing with champs that are not ideal counters for that fight , and the one champ that should be a Chad for it , is just pure garbage. 14 passive fury's and hitting like a 4* is wild
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3 revives isn't bad
Now that you’ve mentioned it actually, we’ve never gotten any balancing notes on Deathless King Groot. I’d expect it to be also no changes, but we should have gotten some comments about it with Serpent/Destroyer or Prowler/Punk, wonder what happened with that. So who knows, maybe they just forgot King Groot because he’s completely fine.
I've been enjoying him otherwise, I use him every day and he's actually quite solid. I use him every day on map 8, he's a ton of fun, a great "flow" champ. Sure he's not at the top of either power control or damage, but he's definitely better than either of the other visions imo.
"This fight proves how bad he is"... eh. He's clearly not meant for this size health pool. I think there's a large part of the community who haven't touched him until now because of all the bad press around him and aren't comfortable with playing him. Once you get his rhythm down he's much better than people give him credit for.
(I've had a lot of success with him treating his phase more like a counterpunch than like ghost's phase. Trigger phase with parry and immediately go in LLLMM and you'll get 4 furies in one phase instead of the 3 you'd get going MLLLM).
Hopefully he'll get buffed before 2025
Seems like Kabam recycled the old Vision and threw a random set of maybe cool abilities.
The medium and light attacks seem slow to initiate and to complete compared to champions of the last 4-5 years. Lol
The sp1 and sp2 damage based on energy drained is low and limited and buggy as per … my past complaints over 5 years ago.
His fury and damage increase is minimal and not as apparent as the old Vision Og and Ultron synergy fury from over 5 years ago.
I guess he has a new immunity.
It’s just so mediocre for a refresh. So disappointing.
Suggestions:
Up the base damage, crit and crit dmg as well as armor - better than Ironman OG at least. Give him an armor up or something to deal with Havok - maybe tie in his increased base abilities to this armor up like other techs so it’s disabled with armor break and more balanced vs cosmics.
Put back power drain from specials to prior Visions.
Change sp2 animations and damage to be based off a couple physical hits so it scales off attack then have a power drain and damage at the end.
Extend duration of phasing by 1 sec and increase fury attack by 30%.
Update the speed of his animations so he can intercept better?
Maybe when he’s knocked down he phases for a second and gains power when attacked - giving him some defense ability. If he’s useless as a defender then give him a bloody good offense.
Compared to Nefarious or Serpent or Bulleyes etc etc Vision is visibly lacking. Haha
He definitely could use an update though. Honestly even just a value tuneup would solve a lot of his issues, his loop is very fun and easy to maintain once you get used to it (not including SOS toad's ai).