Deep dive: Jack O Lantern

EdisonLaw

https://youtu.be/-HS6ztaUwpk?si=C5-GFz-m99tE7ziz

Thoughts?

Polygon

Whats with the delay on the post, youre usually much faster than this

Polygon

Jokes aside, i havent seen it yet, but if the damage is there, he has a lot of potential. Dust and Domino too besides Onslaught.

Squidopus

Weirdly short and simple for a modern champ. The damage doesn’t look incredible or anything so I imagine a lot of people will be disappointed. Personally though, I’ve never let damage be the end all be all and Jack looks cool in my book. We’ll see how he plays out in practice, but he’s probably not gonna be a bg superstar at least. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong though.

Nemesis_17

He counters the main meta mutant defenders and has some great utility, tho I’m a bit concerned with his damage. It doesn’t look bad, but not special either, though I don’t mind it as much since he has a lot of cool utilities to offer.

Mysterio

Top-tier tech utility that counters a lot of the annoying mutant defenders.
Damage is not insane but far from bad I would say.
Pumpkin for a head so 10 out of 10 champion need him now.

WednesdayLength

Seems pretty solid, the burst damage seemed pretty nice and whilst obviously he's geared pretty heavily towards onslaught (finally lmao) he seems like he'll be good for general match ups. I imagine he'll be someone that looks a little underwhelming in the deep dive but will be surprisingly solid in the long run.

I can't remember if backblast increases crit damage rating or just the damage of critical hits, but if it's the former he would be very fun for that node.

Also his red goblin synergy looks insane for roblin, 2 carnage bombs per bomb attack on the sp2 is very nice

ItsClobberinTime

I mean the dot was doing 11k per second after sp2 so it's definitely good my only issue is that damage only starts after sp1 sp2. Sounds familiar? That's because it is, most garbage and mid champs this year have been designed this way I don't understand why they keep doing it lol.
Anyways we'll see, Scream definitely looks better based on first impressions I will say that.

EdisonLaw

Nemesis_17 said:

He counters the main meta mutant defenders and has some great utility, tho I’m a bit concerned with his damage. It doesn’t look bad, but not special either, though I don’t mind it as much since he has a lot of cool utilities to offer.

Kinda like prowler?

ege999men

ItsClobberinTime said:

I mean the dot was doing 11k per second after sp2 so it's definitely good my only issue is that damage only starts after sp1 sp2. Sounds familiar? That's because it is, most garbage and mid champs this year have been designed this way I don't understand why they keep doing it lol.
Anyways we'll see, Scream definitely looks better based on first impressions I will say that.

He got 2 11k ticks per HALF second so actually it was around 150k damage in DoT.

ItsClobberinTime

EdisonLaw said:

Nemesis_17 said:

He counters the main meta mutant defenders and has some great utility, tho I’m a bit concerned with his damage. It doesn’t look bad, but not special either, though I don’t mind it as much since he has a lot of cool utilities to offer.

Kinda like prowler?

Prowler has really good damage and he doesn't have to go for sp1 so no. The only reason Prowler isn't as top is because they decided to keep the stupid incinerate instead of giving him plasma.

EdisonLaw

Mysterio said:

Top-tier tech utility that counters a lot of the annoying mutant defenders.
Damage is not insane but far from bad I would say.
Pumpkin for a head so 10 out of 10 champion need him now.

better than Mysterio?

captain_rogers

We got onslaught hard counters before GTA 6🗣️🗣️🗣️.

captain_rogers

Btw KM reads his sig ability healing 3% max health per half second, but the description states 0.18% per half second? Which one's true.

Also I'm mad he don't have a armor up buff. But looks like he can counter bishop, domino, dust and importantly onslaught. That's a W.

EdisonLaw

captain_rogers said:

Btw KM reads his sig ability healing 3% max health per half second, but the description states 0.18% per half second? Which one's true.

Also I'm mad he don't have a armor up buff. But looks like he can counter bishop, domino, dust and importantly onslaught. That's a W.

He doesn't crit so he can still take Havok if you push him to sp2. His light attack inflicts cowardice that reduces Mutants chance to throw sp1

Fryday

Well I guess we now know why Kabam didn't buff (rebalanced) Ironheart.

Why buff a champ when Kabam could just release similar but better chamo for players to chase 😂

EdisonLaw

Fryday said:

Well I guess we now know why Kabam didn't buff (rebalanced) Ironheart.

Why buff a champ when Kabam could just release similar but better chamo for players to chase 😂

Ironheart could have been perfect if she was tuned up a little

Fryday

EdisonLaw said:

Fryday said:

Well I guess we now know why Kabam didn't buff (rebalanced) Ironheart.

Why buff a champ when Kabam could just release similar but better chamo for players to chase 😂

Ironheart could have been perfect if she was tuned up a little

I fully agreed, thought she was great, just need a little tune up, so quite disappointed that Kabam didn't, but now it make more sense 😊

NONYABIZZ

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:

Nemesis_17 said:

He counters the main meta mutant defenders and has some great utility, tho I’m a bit concerned with his damage. It doesn’t look bad, but not special either, though I don’t mind it as much since he has a lot of cool utilities to offer.

Kinda like prowler?

Prowler has really good damage and he doesn't have to go for sp1 so no. The only reason Prowler isn't as top is because they decided to keep the stupid incinerate instead of giving him plasma.

Prowler does not have REALLY GOOD damage I'd say his damage is solid, in 2024's standards maybe his damage is pretty good. Maybe he becomes good when he's high sig but my r3 unduped is UNDERWHELMING. His Sp2 can only do 100k+ rupture damage when you get REALLY LUCKY, as a r3 that's not very good, he's one of the few champs that you would be better off with the 6* than the 7* because of the need for high sigs.

And I agree he definitely should've gotten plasma instead of incinerate because alot of mutants punish him for that.

He does not need to go for an SP1 which is a very good thing tho, I wish more champs were designed that way. That's why silk and mantis are battleground staples and I feel more champs like BWDO would get on that level if they come out as a 7*. It seems kabam has stopped designing champs that have a way to get their damage without throwing more than 1 special.

Nemesis_17

EdisonLaw said:

Nemesis_17 said:

He counters the main meta mutant defenders and has some great utility, tho I’m a bit concerned with his damage. It doesn’t look bad, but not special either, though I don’t mind it as much since he has a lot of cool utilities to offer.

Kinda like prowler?

I think prowler has better damage but there are some similarities

Eb0ny-O-M4w

So, the better Green Goblin.

EdisonLaw

Also here is the DLL spotlight video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWgF0GAnDlg

ItsClobberinTime

NONYABIZZ said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:

Nemesis_17 said:

He counters the main meta mutant defenders and has some great utility, tho I’m a bit concerned with his damage. It doesn’t look bad, but not special either, though I don’t mind it as much since he has a lot of cool utilities to offer.

Kinda like prowler?

Prowler has really good damage and he doesn't have to go for sp1 so no. The only reason Prowler isn't as top is because they decided to keep the stupid incinerate instead of giving him plasma.

Prowler does not have REALLY GOOD damage I'd say his damage is solid, in 2024's standards maybe his damage is pretty good. Maybe he becomes good when he's high sig but my r3 unduped is UNDERWHELMING. His Sp2 can only do 100k+ rupture damage when you get REALLY LUCKY, as a r3 that's not very good, he's one of the few champs that you would be better off with the 6* than the 7* because of the need for high sigs.

And I agree he definitely should've gotten plasma instead of incinerate because alot of mutants punish him for that.

He does not need to go for an SP1 which is a very good thing tho, I wish more champs were designed that way. That's why silk and mantis are battleground staples and I feel more champs like BWDO would get on that level if they come out as a 7*. It seems kabam has stopped designing champs that have a way to get their damage without throwing more than 1 special.

The damage is really good at sig 200, I have a teammate in my ex alliance with a r3 sig 200 (his first sig 200) he can one shot ROL WS in one sp2 which is crazy.

And yeah straight to sp2 is really good and I do wish more champs were like that, I think they're just scared of releasing another Juggs or Hulk lol.

EdisonLaw

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

So, the better Green Goblin.

Jack o Goblin

WednesdayLength

captain_rogers said:

Btw KM reads his sig ability healing 3% max health per half second, but the description states 0.18% per half second? Which one's true.

Also I'm mad he don't have a armor up buff. But looks like he can counter bishop, domino, dust and importantly onslaught. That's a W.

He's not that great against bishop given that he deals do much energy damage

captain_rogers

WednesdayLength said:

captain_rogers said:

Btw KM reads his sig ability healing 3% max health per half second, but the description states 0.18% per half second? Which one's true.

Also I'm mad he don't have a armor up buff. But looks like he can counter bishop, domino, dust and importantly onslaught. That's a W.

He's not that great against bishop given that he deals do much energy damage

He does instant plasma so he won't trigger bishop's overload damage, only prowesses. He is also incenerate immune.

ItsClobberinTime

captain_rogers said:

WednesdayLength said:

captain_rogers said:

Btw KM reads his sig ability healing 3% max health per half second, but the description states 0.18% per half second? Which one's true.

Also I'm mad he don't have a armor up buff. But looks like he can counter bishop, domino, dust and importantly onslaught. That's a W.

He's not that great against bishop given that he deals do much energy damage

He does instant plasma so he won't trigger bishop's overload damage, only prowesses. He is also incenerate immune.

Bishop has a ton of energy resistance, plasma is energy damage, unlikely you'll be able to kill him in sp1 sp2. If it was disintegration instead it would but plasma is energy.

NONYABIZZ

ItsClobberinTime said:

NONYABIZZ said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

EdisonLaw said:

Nemesis_17 said:

He counters the main meta mutant defenders and has some great utility, tho I’m a bit concerned with his damage. It doesn’t look bad, but not special either, though I don’t mind it as much since he has a lot of cool utilities to offer.

Kinda like prowler?

Prowler has really good damage and he doesn't have to go for sp1 so no. The only reason Prowler isn't as top is because they decided to keep the stupid incinerate instead of giving him plasma.

Prowler does not have REALLY GOOD damage I'd say his damage is solid, in 2024's standards maybe his damage is pretty good. Maybe he becomes good when he's high sig but my r3 unduped is UNDERWHELMING. His Sp2 can only do 100k+ rupture damage when you get REALLY LUCKY, as a r3 that's not very good, he's one of the few champs that you would be better off with the 6* than the 7* because of the need for high sigs.

And I agree he definitely should've gotten plasma instead of incinerate because alot of mutants punish him for that.

He does not need to go for an SP1 which is a very good thing tho, I wish more champs were designed that way. That's why silk and mantis are battleground staples and I feel more champs like BWDO would get on that level if they come out as a 7*. It seems kabam has stopped designing champs that have a way to get their damage without throwing more than 1 special.

The damage is really good at sig 200, I have a teammate in my ex alliance with a r3 sig 200 (his first sig 200) he can one shot ROL WS in one sp2 which is crazy.

And yeah straight to sp2 is really good and I do wish more champs were like that, I think they're just scared of releasing another Juggs or Hulk lol.

Yup that's why I said a r5 would be better than a r3 right now for the average player.

That was my mistake, I shouldn't have r3'd
him. That's what I get for believing the CC'S that overhype every new champion.

altavista

Fryday said:

Well I guess we now know why Kabam didn't buff (rebalanced) Ironheart.

Why buff a champ when Kabam could just release similar but better chamo for players to chase 😂

Yeah I’m pretty annoyed now. I’ve always been positive on her, but after taking her into more difficult content, her utility/damage gets deactivated or falls off too easily in more complicated environments. Being stuck into throwing just SP1s or the debuffs (and utility) disappears is not a smooth playstyle.

Seeing Jack o Lantern’s kit makes me realize I dont like champions where their utility can disappear sporadically during a fight.

WednesdayLength

captain_rogers said:

WednesdayLength said:

captain_rogers said:

Btw KM reads his sig ability healing 3% max health per half second, but the description states 0.18% per half second? Which one's true.

Also I'm mad he don't have a armor up buff. But looks like he can counter bishop, domino, dust and importantly onslaught. That's a W.

He's not that great against bishop given that he deals do much energy damage

He does instant plasma so he won't trigger bishop's overload damage, only prowesses. He is also incenerate immune.

Dll specifically said he wouldn't be that great against bishop even with the green goblin synergy