Initial Thoughts On Jack O' Lantern

JackOLantern is lit! He’s nuts! No criticals so destroys Mr Sinister, tons of damaging debuffs, SP2 damage like Shathra, doesn’t take damage from debuffs when blocking specials like Onslaughts neutotoxins, applies cowardice and gains tons of precisions. Immune to incinerate. He delivers incinerate and poison damage BUT he applies plasma against mutants. His damaging debuffs scale with his critical damage rating so when you add criminal damage rating stat focus he is even stronger. He’s also Immune to reverse controls. He can also parry non contact champs. He might even be better attacker than Nefaria and best 2024 champ of year in my short testing. But I’m excited about him!!!

He’s got very solid nuke potential. One sp2 from an r3 does a tremendous amount of damage, and is likely enough to close out most BG fights.

I got super lucky and pulled him off of my first Black-ISO market 300 unit crystal, and he’s very satisfying to play, took him to r2.

Fryday

My initial thoughts was:-

1) Man I miss Jax (but also glad we have Kabam Pinwheel, he been great so far)

2) Well I guess Iron Heart will stay at R1 now.

3) Give him a Hovercraft and we essentially ourself Hobgoblin.

😂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaMgEXjJZG0&t=81s

He seems to be more than just an Onslaught counter

He’s got very solid nuke potential. One sp2 from an r3 does a tremendous amount of damage, and is likely enough to close out most BG fights.

I got super lucky and pulled him off of my first Black-ISO market 300 unit crystal, and he’s very satisfying to play, took him to r2.

Who else can he take besides Onslaught?

He’s got very solid nuke potential. One sp2 from an r3 does a tremendous amount of damage, and is likely enough to close out most BG fights.

I got super lucky and pulled him off of my first Black-ISO market 300 unit crystal, and he’s very satisfying to play, took him to r2.
Who else can he take besides Onslaught?

Any mutant who isn’t poison immune, anybody else who isn’t incinerate or poison immune. Either immunity will limit his damage output, incinerate much more so.

Reverse controls immunity is nice but extremely niche. Incinerate immunity, like any DoT immunity, is good. But my favorite pieces of utility on him are non-crits and the ability to parry non-contact attacks. Also, if you’re able to play exceptionally aggressively, the Sentinel relic can pause his short duration sp2 incinerates for some serious bonus damage. Won’t happen most of the time, but it’s very fun when you can manage it.

He’s got very solid nuke potential. One sp2 from an r3 does a tremendous amount of damage, and is likely enough to close out most BG fights.

I got super lucky and pulled him off of my first Black-ISO market 300 unit crystal, and he’s very satisfying to play, took him to r2.
Who else can he take besides Onslaught?
Any mutant who isn’t poison immune, anybody else who isn’t incinerate or poison immune. Either immunity will limit his damage output, incinerate much more so.

Reverse controls immunity is nice but extremely niche. Incinerate immunity, like any DoT immunity, is good. But my favorite pieces of utility on him are non-crits and the ability to parry non-contact attacks. Also, if you’re able to play exceptionally aggressively, the Sentinel relic can pause his short duration sp2 incinerates for some serious bonus damage. Won’t happen most of the time, but it’s very fun when you can manage it.

There's also this phrase. Which means, can he take Bullseye?

He’s got very solid nuke potential. One sp2 from an r3 does a tremendous amount of damage, and is likely enough to close out most BG fights.

I got super lucky and pulled him off of my first Black-ISO market 300 unit crystal, and he’s very satisfying to play, took him to r2.
Who else can he take besides Onslaught?
Any mutant who isn’t poison immune, anybody else who isn’t incinerate or poison immune. Either immunity will limit his damage output, incinerate much more so.

Reverse controls immunity is nice but extremely niche. Incinerate immunity, like any DoT immunity, is good. But my favorite pieces of utility on him are non-crits and the ability to parry non-contact attacks. Also, if you’re able to play exceptionally aggressively, the Sentinel relic can pause his short duration sp2 incinerates for some serious bonus damage. Won’t happen most of the time, but it’s very fun when you can manage it.

There's also this phrase. Which means, can he take Bullseye?

Just confirmed, yes. If you have an inflamed passive, you will not take bleed damage while blocking his specials.

Mrmr13

Does his instant incinerates from CRIT count as a debuff for the purpose of aw tactic?

He's a tactic attacker but doesn't much many debuffs until SP2 which will take more than 15 hits to get to

Does his instant incinerates from CRIT count as a debuff for the purpose of aw tactic?

He's a tactic attacker but doesn't much many debuffs until SP2 which will take more than 15 hits to get to

I don't think so as it's an instant incinerate. If you wanna use him in war, gotta bring along someone like Mr Fantastic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou3FwnkgQj0

Cool video here. Plus he did mention one flaw with Jack's kit, and its that his inflamed passives aren't immune to ability accuracy modification so Domino can still crit fail him

Does his instant incinerates from CRIT count as a debuff for the purpose of aw tactic?

He's a tactic attacker but doesn't much many debuffs until SP2 which will take more than 15 hits to get to
I don't think so as it's an instant incinerate. If you wanna use him in war, gotta bring along someone like Mr Fantastic

You are correct that the instants don’t count towards tactic. I would recommend running resonate as the alternative solution. It’s expensive if you don’t have it unlocked, but it addresses the problem for every debuff-light tactic attacker for this meta, and will be of use next BG season.

JackTheSnack

He looks cool. And he’s an onslaught counter

FrostGiantLord

I'm happy enough with him being an Onslaught counter. His damage is decent as well, which is always a great bonus

WednesdayLength

Obviously like great as an onslaught counter rn but I think his value will only go up. He's deceptively simple but it seems like he has lasting utility

I know he’s built to be the ultimate Onslaught counter but he also destroys Dust, Mr. Sinister, and Havok as well. He does just fine against Domino (will take crit failure damage) but can finish fight fast. The fact he can parry non contact champs like Onslaught, Negasonic, Shuri, Ebony Maw, etc is a nice utility. He can also avoid taking damage while blocking against champs like Werewolf, Onslaught, etc. I don’t know what’s not to like about him. It is obvious he was designed for Battlegrounds attack and I can’t wait to try him out once this GC meta is done. My one gripe would be that he has zero defensive value. I mean it’s bad, lol. My comparison of him would be a Tech version of Negasonic with better damage and survivability with the intent to target mutant champs instead of skill like Negasonic. His great utility allows him to take other fights as well. I don’t agree with the Patriot comparison some YouTubers threw out cause he can definitely do more than just one targeted fight well. Of course all my opinion at the moment. Until he’s viable in new BG meta we won’t know for sure. But I’d be shocked if he isn’t really good tech option.

captain_rogers

I know he’s built to be the ultimate Onslaught counter but he also destroys Dust, Mr. Sinister, and Havok as well. He does just fine against Domino (will take crit failure damage) but can finish fight fast. The fact he can parry non contact champs like Onslaught, Negasonic, Shuri, Ebony Maw, etc is a nice utility. He can also avoid taking damage while blocking against champs like Werewolf, Onslaught, etc. I don’t know what’s not to like about him. It is obvious he was designed for Battlegrounds attack and I can’t wait to try him out once this GC meta is done. My one gripe would be that he has zero defensive value. I mean it’s bad, lol. My comparison of him would be a Tech version of Negasonic with better damage and survivability with the intent to target mutant champs instead of skill like Negasonic. His great utility allows him to take other fights as well. I don’t agree with the Patriot comparison some YouTubers threw out cause he can definitely do more than just one targeted fight well. Of course all my opinion at the moment. Until he’s viable in new BG meta we won’t know for sure. But I’d be shocked if he isn’t really good tech option.

You don't wanna use him against havok trust me. But I believe he is still usable against bishop actually.

Graves_3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaMgEXjJZG0&t=81s

He seems to be more than just an Onslaught counter

He’s got very solid nuke potential. One sp2 from an r3 does a tremendous amount of damage, and is likely enough to close out most BG fights.

I got super lucky and pulled him off of my first Black-ISO market 300 unit crystal, and he’s very satisfying to play, took him to r2.
Who else can he take besides Onslaught?

Didn’t you read your own comment?

I still say let’s wait till next BG meta before we really grade this guy. I’ve been wrong before but I think he’s going to be better than people think.

Terminatrix

I like his animations.

I like his animations.

He's basically what Green Goblin should've been

mbrace

He’s taking down Onslaught, Dust, Sinister, Havok, Domino, Weapon X, and Bishop pretty easily. His SP2 is a massive nuke, and his animations are cool. What more could you ask for?

Also, the 7* seems a lot better than the 6* because of crit rating (enhanced by stat focus).

mbrace

You don't wanna use him against havok trust me. But I believe he is still usable against bishop actually.

Not true. When the plasma detonates, you get 15 stacks of inflamed passives, making Jack almost immune to the detonations via energy resists.

@mbrace i didn’t say that. That was someone responding to my comment. I really like him and think he’s really good. I have him so I know he can take Havok.

@mbrace i didn’t say that. That was someone responding to my comment. I really like him and think he’s really good. I have him so I know he can take Havok.

Is he good vs Bishop

@EdisonLaw he worked well against the bishop in the mutant lane in the Jack’s bounty hunt.

He is by far my favorite Dust counter now besides the obvious Onslaught matchup he was made for. And Dust is in most decks and is a problematic defender.

Jaymix79

I see Jack was updated with the Saga tag.