9.5.1 path is completely bugged, cannot deal any damage.

Here are the nodes:

And as you can see even with 5 debuffs, Iron Patriot is taking zero damage, this path is completely broken, I have tried with Onslaught and nothing is working, with over 10 neuroshocks.

If I’m doing something wrong do let me know.

Comments

DRTO

Could be wrong, but probably has to be normal debuffs and not passive debuffs which is why it's not working.

JhonST33

Those are no debuffs are pasives, you need champions that place debuffs, launch sp 1 with onslaugth, he places a lot of debuffs with with it, sure to launch the special on block, otherwise the opponent becomes debuff inmune.

JhonST33

You can parry with onslaugth to place until 10 debuffs.

JhonST33

Photon also works, let me know how is your roster.

dr2ws

Ohh I see that’s my bad, yeah I have photon, ham and torch, venom too so actually it should be pretty easy.

Maratox

A “normal debuff” is just a debuff. Passive debuffs aren’t a thing, they’re just called passives.

MrKillaChris

They should be adding (Not Passive Debuffs) at the end, so this kind of confusion wasn't happening.

Maratox

They shouldn’t need to because passive debuffs don’t exist.

MrKillaChris

So isn't shock a debuff ?
And if Stryfe and Beta Ray deals shock damage, but it's passive (isn't it still a debuff?) especially if it's causing damage...

Iceman's frostbite is also a negative effect, Onslaught with Neuroshock

And a Debuff is a detrimental effect that negatively impacts the champions, so if these things doesn't exist then what are they ?

Maratox

Stryfe and bill have shock passives, not debuffs. Frostbite and onslaught’s neuroshock are passives, not debuffs. In this game, a debuff is not simply something that causes a negative effect. It has to be coded as a debuff. Otherwise it will be coded as a passive.

Kingering_King

Those are passives… you need debuffs…🤦‍♂️

Demonzfyre

Debuffs have the border around the icon. Effects have no border.

That's why some champions can bypass certain abilities based on their description. Silver Centurion applies passive shock effects. So a defender could be immune to shock but S.C can still place his passives because they're different.

You're think of Damage Over Time and not necessarily debuffs. Void applies debuffs that have no detrimental effect. The degen damage comes from Voids abilities.

Typhoon

How are you this far into this game and don't know the difference between buffs and passives.

Lokx

Your right debuff are detrimental effects that negatively impact the champions. But the clear distinction between them and passive is their ability to be removed through champions defensive ability. Passives are abilities that can’t be removed.

What ever is a debuff can be a passive as well.

I.e there are shock debuffs like dooms and there are shock passives like beta ray bill.

If the node says ‘defender needs to have a shock effect to deal damage’ then both passive and debuff work. If the node specifically stated debuff, then only a shock that is classified as a debuff work vice versa.

dr2ws

No need to be like that, it’s a mistake on my part, I don’t spend my life on a video game 😒

Average_Desi

No he can't

Lokx

I’m confused why this has any disagree, i’m pretty sure s.c can’t place a shock passive if the defender is immune to shocks.

Maratox

It’s all in the wording but as it was written by Demonzfyre is incorrect. If it says “immune to shock/shock effects” the defender is immune to all shock. If it says “immune to shock debuffs” then Silver Centurion would still work

Typhoon

This is correct. Someone immune to shock is immune to both shock debuffs AND shock passives. Someone who is immune to shock debuffs is immune to shock debuffs and NOT shock passives.

Anoadri

You guys can't even imagine how this important use of words is completely f*cked up in some translation strings. I have to switch to english from italian once in a while to understand how a node works

Magrailothos

Unlike you to make that kind of error, Fyre.

Read it back: you know you're wrong.

@dr2ws @DRTO @MrKillaChris

The confusion here is that debuffs and buffs are both types of Effect.

An Effect can be either Passive or Active. The word 'Active' is rarely used in-game, but you'll see it occasionally.
- An Active Effect has a border around the icon.
- A Passive Effect doesn't.

Active Effects aren't usually referred to in that way, most of the time: they're generally referred to as Buffs/Debuffs, primarily on the basis of being (mostly) positive or negative in their action.

Passive effects are not referred to in this way - they're just referred to as Passives, regardless of being helpful or harmful.

Immunities/resistances may apply either to the Effect itself (e.g. Shock or Stun immunity) or to the type of Effect.

So a champion immune to Stun is immune to both types of Stun effect. Whereas a champion immune to debuffs can still be affected by a passive stun.

Another example - Corvus takes no damage from bleed/shock debuffs; but he still takes full damage from Passive bleeds/shocks, or Instant bleeds.

Average_Desi

If we want to be correct, there is no such thing as an active effect. Active just means what it means in the general usage of the word.

If an effect is active, it just means that it is , currently, affecting a champion.

So you can say that 5 Prowess Passives are active on Sauron. Or 'There is a Bleed Passive active on Kamala'

There are Buffs, Debuffs and Passives.(The former two is often confused as 'Active')

'Active ' has no in game distinction from its general use.