Have we noticed that kabam only nerfs attackers but never defenders

For an example.

Serpent: no nerf
Bullseye: technically no nerf even though he kinda did idk the date but he’s still quite the same
Photon: no nerf or idk if she did or not
Korg: no nerf
Dust no nerf
Onslaught: no nerf
Kindred: no nerf

But you have these baller attacker that always got nerf for an example

Dead pool x force: he’s so op he’s amazing buff I understand the nerf but with the defenders that are in game now I don’t see why they have to nerf him and I hope they don’t nerf him to the ground 🪦
Abs-man: got nerfed but still op lol
Fant-man: nerfed
AA: nerfed (ages ago)

But you get my point and I’m surprised Juggs isn’t nerfed 💀

Don’t wanna cause any trouble with this discussion so don’t take it personal ♥️

Comments

Average_Desi

>Defenders don't get nerfed.
> Bullseye yes nerf but technically no nerf
>Abs Man Regen nerf
???????

When was archangel nerfed?

Polygon

Bullseye did get a "nerf" actually. More champs can take him now with the dex not causing bleed.

Pimbeche

Wait what the nerf for deadpool x force ?

JLordVileJ

Uhm.....they buffed xforce lol, not nerfed him. When he came out he was bugged so they fixed the bug. That's it.

WednesdayLength

They literally nerfed abs man as a defender

Ercarret

Yeah, let's not call fixing bugs nerfs, okay. This is exactly how we want Kabam to deal with bugs so that we don't end up in more Mole Man situations.

It's also funny that you brought up Absorbing Man getting a nerf as an argument for your point that only attackers get nerfed, when it was his defensive side that got nerfed. It's the completely opposite of what you're bringing him up for. They tuned down his regen so that he'd be easier to defeat. They didn't touch anything offensively that he had going on, as far as I remember.

As for Bullseye, I'd argue that it was a pretty huge nerf. He's still really annoying but you used to take damage whenever you dexed him if you weren't bleed immune. If he was stingy with throwing a special attack, he could literally whittle you down without ever touching you as you tried to bait it out. I'm really, really happy they changed that.

Bullseye and Serpent (and Abs Man) are the only champs on your list that I think it could be argued ought to have been nerfed, and two of the three got one. When it comes to the others, I think they are mostly fine. The trick is usually to learn how to dex and (in some cases) punish their special attacks. After learning how to dex Onslaught's SP1, for example, I've had much less of an issue with him than I did prior to knowing that. I still don't know how to dex his SP2 (or more precisely, switch into reverse controls fast enough), but I can definitely take him down more reliably nowadays.

I'm not comfortable dexing Dust's SP1 which makes her tricky, but that's a skill issue on my end. It's not an undexable special by any means. When it comes to Photon, you just have to remember to not push her to her SP2 while in her light mode and you'll be fine, and you got to learn how to punish Kindred's special attacks (which is admittedly still a work in progress for me).

So in most cases, it really is a skill issue. I think the Bullseye nerf addressed something that ultimately wasn't a skill issue, which is probably why it was made.

JLordVileJ

Uhm.....they buffed xforce lol, not nerfed him. When he came out he was bugged so they fixed the bug. That's it.

Why are people disagreeing, am I not understanding something?

Jack2634

well, to add on to the list, we had namor and cull obsidian nerf in the past, which resulted in rank down ticket and selling them for compensation. About defender wise, im fine with all of them except serpent. The only reason i r3 serpent and sig him up just to make sure i can force my opponent to ban him. Stupidly designed, stupidly balancing decision. Stupid.

Flavyjay

Uhm.....they buffed xforce lol, not nerfed him. When he came out he was bugged so they fixed the bug. That's it.
Why are people disagreeing, am I not understanding something?

Go Check the glorious guardian bug fix, you'll see Deadpool xforce there, make of that what you will 🤷

Ourobøros

Uhm.....they buffed xforce lol, not nerfed him. When he came out he was bugged so they fixed the bug. That's it.
Why are people disagreeing, am I not understanding something?
Go Check the glorious guardian bug fix, you'll see Deadpool xforce there, make of that what you will 🤷

It says exactly what he's saying, he's not wrong at all

Bendy

Uhm.....they buffed xforce lol, not nerfed him. When he came out he was bugged so they fixed the bug. That's it.
Why are people disagreeing, am I not understanding something?
Go Check the glorious guardian bug fix, you'll see Deadpool xforce there, make of that what you will 🤷

As u said bug fix not a nerf

Emomike

Some of the defenders are annoying YES. But what's more discouraging is the AI seemingly reverting back to BS every update

Snarz

Uhm.....they buffed xforce lol, not nerfed him. When he came out he was bugged so they fixed the bug. That's it.

Didn’t know it was a big lol thanks for letting meh know

JLordVileJ

Uhm.....they buffed xforce lol, not nerfed him. When he came out he was bugged so they fixed the bug. That's it.
Why are people disagreeing, am I not understanding something?
Go Check the glorious guardian bug fix, you'll see Deadpool xforce there, make of that what you will 🤷

You literally just said it, its a bug fix 💀

Captainaiden

Archangel got nerfed? What thing he got nerfed? And when?

Furrymoosen

There's a considerable difference between defenders with limited counters and attackers that can trivialize content.

Buttehrs

Lol the archangel thing wasn't a nerf. He was doing stuff he want supposed to.

Emomike

Lol the archangel thing wasn't a nerf. He was doing stuff he want supposed to.

Well that's not the whole story we were told what he was doing was intended only for kabam to say a year later nah he wasn't supposed to be doing that.

Emomike

Archangel got nerfed? What thing he got nerfed? And when?

He was able to stun stun immune when his neros expired kabam said he was working as intended only to back track that better than a year later and say it was a bug.

Buttehrs

Archangel got nerfed? What thing he got nerfed? And when?
He was able to stun stun immune when his neros expired kabam said he was working as intended only to back track that better than a year later and say it was a bug.

Which makes 100% sense. Why would you be able to stun stun immune?.

Demonzfyre

Uhm.....they buffed xforce lol, not nerfed him. When he came out he was bugged so they fixed the bug. That's it.
Why are people disagreeing, am I not understanding something?

Because this community sees bug fixes as nerfs.

Demonzfyre

Archangel got nerfed? What thing he got nerfed? And when?
He was able to stun stun immune when his neros expired kabam said he was working as intended only to back track that better than a year later and say it was a bug.

No, a part time forum mod said it. It wasn't an official release by Kabam.

Think about it, why should any champ be able to do something that contradicts the defenders abilities? People are mad because it was "pro player" more than anything.

Demonzfyre

well, to add on to the list, we had namor and cull obsidian nerf in the past, which resulted in rank down ticket and selling them for compensation. About defender wise, im fine with all of them except serpent. The only reason i r3 serpent and sig him up just to make sure i can force my opponent to ban him. Stupidly designed, stupidly balancing decision. Stupid.

It still can be argued that neither are nerfs and actually made them better. It's a shame they never fixed culls block proficiency. He'd be a top cosmic.

Seyuoh

Yeah, let's not call fixing bugs nerfs, okay. This is exactly how we want Kabam to deal with bugs so that we don't end up in more Mole Man situations.

It's also funny that you brought up Absorbing Man getting a nerf as an argument for your point that only attackers get nerfed, when it was his defensive side that got nerfed. It's the completely opposite of what you're bringing him up for. They tuned down his regen so that he'd be easier to defeat. They didn't touch anything offensively that he had going on, as far as I remember.

As for Bullseye, I'd argue that it was a pretty huge nerf. He's still really annoying but you used to take damage whenever you dexed him if you weren't bleed immune. If he was stingy with throwing a special attack, he could literally whittle you down without ever touching you as you tried to bait it out. I'm really, really happy they changed that.

Bullseye and Serpent (and Abs Man) are the only champs on your list that I think it could be argued ought to have been nerfed, and two of the three got one. When it comes to the others, I think they are mostly fine. The trick is usually to learn how to dex and (in some cases) punish their special attacks. After learning how to dex Onslaught's SP1, for example, I've had much less of an issue with him than I did prior to knowing that. I still don't know how to dex his SP2 (or more precisely, switch into reverse controls fast enough), but I can definitely take him down more reliably nowadays.

I'm not comfortable dexing Dust's SP1 which makes her tricky, but that's a skill issue on my end. It's not an undexable special by any means. When it comes to Photon, you just have to remember to not push her to her SP2 while in her light mode and you'll be fine, and you got to learn how to punish Kindred's special attacks (which is admittedly still a work in progress for me).

So in most cases, it really is a skill issue. I think the Bullseye nerf addressed something that ultimately wasn't a skill issue, which is probably why it was made.

I really wanna say that defensive Absman nerf really only happened, due to his SoS fight.
If they hadn’t tuned down his regen, he’d have been damn near impossible to take down.

captain_rogers

Yeah, let's not call fixing bugs nerfs, okay. This is exactly how we want Kabam to deal with bugs so that we don't end up in more Mole Man situations.

It's also funny that you brought up Absorbing Man getting a nerf as an argument for your point that only attackers get nerfed, when it was his defensive side that got nerfed. It's the completely opposite of what you're bringing him up for. They tuned down his regen so that he'd be easier to defeat. They didn't touch anything offensively that he had going on, as far as I remember.

As for Bullseye, I'd argue that it was a pretty huge nerf. He's still really annoying but you used to take damage whenever you dexed him if you weren't bleed immune. If he was stingy with throwing a special attack, he could literally whittle you down without ever touching you as you tried to bait it out. I'm really, really happy they changed that.

Bullseye and Serpent (and Abs Man) are the only champs on your list that I think it could be argued ought to have been nerfed, and two of the three got one. When it comes to the others, I think they are mostly fine. The trick is usually to learn how to dex and (in some cases) punish their special attacks. After learning how to dex Onslaught's SP1, for example, I've had much less of an issue with him than I did prior to knowing that. I still don't know how to dex his SP2 (or more precisely, switch into reverse controls fast enough), but I can definitely take him down more reliably nowadays.

I'm not comfortable dexing Dust's SP1 which makes her tricky, but that's a skill issue on my end. It's not an undexable special by any means. When it comes to Photon, you just have to remember to not push her to her SP2 while in her light mode and you'll be fine, and you got to learn how to punish Kindred's special attacks (which is admittedly still a work in progress for me).

So in most cases, it really is a skill issue. I think the Bullseye nerf addressed something that ultimately wasn't a skill issue, which is probably why it was made.
I really wanna say that defensive Absman nerf really only happened, due to his SoS fight.
If they hadn’t tuned down his regen, he’d have been damn near impossible to take down.

His defensive ability (regen at the start of fight) was months before sos fight

altavista

Did you notice that pretty much all that champion updates in 2024 were actually one Defender nerf (Bullseyes), one Defender buff (Arcade), and a bunch of Attacker buffs (Spiderpunk, the upcoming changes to Northstar, Silver Sable, etc)?

Did you notice that all your attacker “nerfs” are from more than 1.5+ years ago (Deadpool X-Force is not a nerf, it is immediately fixing a bug that was live for all of less than two weeks)?

But, even if we accept your opinion that Deadpool X-Force got nerfed, there are still more Attacker buffs than nerfs. So your premise doesn’t really make sense because you are purposely excluding all attacker buffs from your “argument”.

Pikolu

Archangel got nerfed? What thing he got nerfed? And when?
He was able to stun stun immune when his neros expired kabam said he was working as intended only to back track that better than a year later and say it was a bug.

I'm not sad about them changing him to no longer stun stun immunes, I'm just sad that the stun couldn't interrupt special attacks like his neuros and quakes aftershock did

Ercarret

Yeah, let's not call fixing bugs nerfs, okay. This is exactly how we want Kabam to deal with bugs so that we don't end up in more Mole Man situations.

It's also funny that you brought up Absorbing Man getting a nerf as an argument for your point that only attackers get nerfed, when it was his defensive side that got nerfed. It's the completely opposite of what you're bringing him up for. They tuned down his regen so that he'd be easier to defeat. They didn't touch anything offensively that he had going on, as far as I remember.

As for Bullseye, I'd argue that it was a pretty huge nerf. He's still really annoying but you used to take damage whenever you dexed him if you weren't bleed immune. If he was stingy with throwing a special attack, he could literally whittle you down without ever touching you as you tried to bait it out. I'm really, really happy they changed that.

Bullseye and Serpent (and Abs Man) are the only champs on your list that I think it could be argued ought to have been nerfed, and two of the three got one. When it comes to the others, I think they are mostly fine. The trick is usually to learn how to dex and (in some cases) punish their special attacks. After learning how to dex Onslaught's SP1, for example, I've had much less of an issue with him than I did prior to knowing that. I still don't know how to dex his SP2 (or more precisely, switch into reverse controls fast enough), but I can definitely take him down more reliably nowadays.

I'm not comfortable dexing Dust's SP1 which makes her tricky, but that's a skill issue on my end. It's not an undexable special by any means. When it comes to Photon, you just have to remember to not push her to her SP2 while in her light mode and you'll be fine, and you got to learn how to punish Kindred's special attacks (which is admittedly still a work in progress for me).

So in most cases, it really is a skill issue. I think the Bullseye nerf addressed something that ultimately wasn't a skill issue, which is probably why it was made.
I really wanna say that defensive Absman nerf really only happened, due to his SoS fight.
If they hadn’t tuned down his regen, he’d have been damn near impossible to take down.

The Abs Man kit nerf and the Abs Man SoS fight nerf are two different things, although both have to do with his regen. His kit was nerfed so that he would regen back 30% of missing health, not 40%. Meanwhile, the fight was modified by throwing in a node that made sure he couldn't regen up above the health he started the fight with (and I think there was also some other change, but that was the main one).

As someone else pointed out, the SoS fight and its subsequent correction happened well after Abs Man had already been nerfed himself. I can't even imagine what that fight would have looked like if it had been against the pre-nerfed Abs Man.

EdisonLaw

When was AA nerfed?

DNA3000

I have noticed that Kabam only nerfs champions on days ending in “Y”.