Should The Leader have gotten a buff?

EdisonLaw

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/384098/balance-update-patriot-and-leader#latest

So if you haven’t noticed, the balancing details for both Patriot and Leader is out. Patriot is getting buffed (this is a W for the skill class), but Leader will be staying as is. Do you agree or disagree with this? Should he have gotten a buff?

Ben_15455

Yes

He's actually the worst champ released in 5 years

Friendly001

No

Not every champ needs to be meta

EdisonLaw

Yes

Ben_15455 said:

He's actually the worst champ released in 5 years

Silver Sable?

kvirr

Yes

EdisonLaw said:

Ben_15455 said:

He's actually the worst champ released in 5 years

Silver Sable?

still I don’t understand why she comes with a sniper, she doesn’t use it 😭

EdisonLaw

Yes

kvirr said:

EdisonLaw said:

Ben_15455 said:

He's actually the worst champ released in 5 years

Silver Sable?

still I don’t understand why she comes with a sniper, she doesn’t use it 😭

I wanted her to use it on her sp2 or heavy attack

Godfatherspie

No

As someone with a 7* R2 Leader, he doesn't need the buff. He's no CGR but is a very safe option in most places with a bit of skilled gameplay. His debuffs counter plenty of annoying healing and power gain nodes. He also has good damage with a combination of his SP3 and the green door.

EdisonLaw

Yes

Godfatherspie said:

As someone with a 7* R2 Leader, he doesn't need the buff. He's no CGR but is a very safe option in most places with a bit of skilled gameplay. His debuffs counter plenty of annoying healing and power gain nodes. He also has good damage with a combination of his SP3 and the green door.

True, but I wanted him to get a small damage bonus and for the door to last longer

Godfatherspie

No

EdisonLaw said:

Godfatherspie said:

As someone with a 7* R2 Leader, he doesn't need the buff. He's no CGR but is a very safe option in most places with a bit of skilled gameplay. His debuffs counter plenty of annoying healing and power gain nodes. He also has good damage with a combination of his SP3 and the green door.

True, but I wanted him to get a small damage bonus and for the door to last longer

Fair enough. That's definitely his fatal flaw

Squidopus

Yes

He should have gotten a minor tuneup, but I still hold to the fact that he’s largely fine (much better than people give him credit for at least, I don’t know how anyone can possibly think he’s “the worst champ released in the last 5 years”). The damage is lacking but it’s usable enough in any content where the healthpools aren’t 7 digits, and the utility continues to be great. I’ll continue to use Leader as I have been for the last several months.

TheInfinty

Yes

As someone with a sig 40 leader he def needs a tune up. Not a huge one but he needs something.

His window of damage is just not large enough.

PT_99

No

I'm just happy because now he'll forever be known as scuffed Nefa 🤣

Tony886

kvirr said:

EdisonLaw said:

Ben_15455 said:

He's actually the worst champ released in 5 years

Silver Sable?

still I don’t understand why she comes with a sniper, she doesn’t use it 😭

It same with herc he comes sword and hammer in his back but never used sword

Toproller89

Yes

Yes because his green door got shadow nerfed and it needs to be buffed or at least shadow buffed back to how it was.

dr2ws

Yes

Should’ve gotten a spunk type treatment buff.

EdisonLaw

Yes

dr2ws said:

Should’ve gotten a spunk type treatment buff.

Yes I don’t understand why he didn’t when Spunk got one

WednesdayLength

No

Personally think he's fine as he is. Sure a buff would have been nice but I'd rather they focus on Patriot who actually needs it.

I've used leader a lot since he came out and he's possibly my favourite champion of the year, his damage in non target matchups is still solid albeit slow, his utility is unique in how it works and leads to some bonkers damage in a lot of matchups, and he's generally easy to play once you get the spacing right.

Maybe I'm in the minority but I'm not disappointed that they're leaving him as is

WednesdayLength

No

EdisonLaw said:

dr2ws said:

Should’ve gotten a spunk type treatment buff.

Yes I don’t understand why he didn’t when Spunk got one

Because he was performing as he was intended to

WednesdayLength

No

Toproller89 said:

Yes because his green door got shadow nerfed and it needs to be buffed or at least shadow buffed back to how it was.

It was bugged and then fixed. There was no nerf

TikkaMasala

Yes

I honestly feel like it’s more a case they’re buffing too many other champs so Leader got screwed. As has been said, he doesn’t need a complete overhaul but just an increase in damage and fix the green door mechanic.

Berjibs

Tony886 said:

kvirr said:

EdisonLaw said:

Ben_15455 said:

He's actually the worst champ released in 5 years

Silver Sable?

still I don’t understand why she comes with a sniper, she doesn’t use it 😭

It same with herc he comes sword and hammer in his back but never used sword

Maybe he got one of those super blunt swords like Angela so why not just use the hammer?

Drago_von_Drago

I was just hoping for his specials to apply a root so you could trap defenders on the door. That would have been a small damage bump and made the door mechanic so much more rewarding.

EdisonLaw

Yes

Drago_von_Drago said:

I was just hoping for his specials to apply a root so you could trap defenders on the door. That would have been a small damage bump and made the door mechanic so much more rewarding.

That would have been a cool change but how would it work on defense?

EdisonLaw

Yes

Toproller89 said:

Yes because his green door got shadow nerfed and it needs to be buffed or at least shadow buffed back to how it was.

They didn’t nerf his door, it was temporarily bugged

Fryday

Look like he was going into, but seem like Kabam got scare.

https://youtu.be/5modu3kRkFI?si=6igXa5fbi-8I8qCI

WednesdayLength

No

Drago_von_Drago said:

I was just hoping for his specials to apply a root so you could trap defenders on the door. That would have been a small damage bump and made the door mechanic so much more rewarding.

I thought this but after playing him more you never push the opponents further than the length of the door with either special. If you dash back and fire the special from the left most spot of the door you're golden

Drago_von_Drago

WednesdayLength said:

Drago_von_Drago said:

I was just hoping for his specials to apply a root so you could trap defenders on the door. That would have been a small damage bump and made the door mechanic so much more rewarding.

I thought this but after playing him more you never push the opponents further than the length of the door with either special. If you dash back and fire the special from the left most spot of the door you're golden

That requires some extra maneuvering to make it line up. I know I push defenders off the door enough that I started just parry stunning them on the door to get some extra ticks of damage. I think a root would make it more reliable to give him a slight damage bump without needing the SP3.

And if makes him too much on defense they could always say it only works on attack but I think it would make him more than just a stall defender. You could easily play around it but if you slip up and get rooted on that door you’re taking a big hit.

But at this point we’ll never know. He’s ok as is so it will be years before he’s up for any changes with the new cadence.

JLordVileJ

Yes

The leader is actually trash

WednesdayLength

No

Drago_von_Drago said:

WednesdayLength said:

Drago_von_Drago said:

I was just hoping for his specials to apply a root so you could trap defenders on the door. That would have been a small damage bump and made the door mechanic so much more rewarding.

I thought this but after playing him more you never push the opponents further than the length of the door with either special. If you dash back and fire the special from the left most spot of the door you're golden

That requires some extra maneuvering to make it line up. I know I push defenders off the door enough that I started just parry stunning them on the door to get some extra ticks of damage. I think a root would make it more reliable to give him a slight damage bump without needing the SP3.

And if makes him too much on defense they could always say it only works on attack but I think it would make him more than just a stall defender. You could easily play around it but if you slip up and get rooted on that door you’re taking a big hit.

But at this point we’ll never know. He’s ok as is so it will be years before he’s up for any changes with the new cadence.

It takes no more setting up than the rest of his combos and he's supposed to be a spacing focused champion. Backing up a little and firing a special isn't that hard

EdisonLaw

Yes

JLordVileJ said:

The leader is actually trash

No but he’s not the best either