How will we keep up with superbroz the game balance is out of whack now.

Yokozuna1994

Hopefully small players can get some good compensation since Kabam let the game balance get out of control with this banquet event

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Terminatrix

I'm not worried about "keeping up" with them.

SirGamesBond

Bro is talking like he belongs to Master 1 war, top 5 AQ and celestial 1 BGs.

Annnnnd people who actually belongs to those category already understand this balance.

MrSakuragi

You have the option to keep up if you wish, but it will cost.

Pikolu

Spend $80k+ USD if you want to catch up. Alternatively you can just wait until cyber weekend and buy r4 gems for probably around $100-$200 each. For anyone who might find that surprising, R3s were barely introduced to the game 13 months ago with the release of necro and we could then buy r3s for just $100 last cyber weekend.

FishSkin

What compensation would you like?

I’m guessing 2-3 generic 7* r3-r4 gems won’t cut it for you?

startropics

superbroz and players like him are keeping the game free for everyone else.

in 2023 whales got their first r5s for mid 5 figures and WEEKS later kabam released carinas volume 3 with a 4-5 crystal in it and three months after that they sold a generic 4-5 gem in the bobble bauble spring cleaning event for a tiny fraction of what the whales spent.

why you guys mad? they should be mad.

Riryoku

DNA3000

Hopefully small players can get some good compensation since Kabam let the game balance get out of control with this banquet event

"Small players" had no chance of catching up with me, much less the top players.

Game balance is not about giving everyone the same chance to reach the exact same account size and strength. Spenders always have an advantage; that's why they spend. That's what they are spending their money to get. You accept that, or you don't. But game balance is not here to give you compensation to catch up with them.

Everything the spenders get, everyone else gets eventually. The medium spenders catch up with the big spenders on a time scale of months. The small spenders catch up with the big spenders in a year or two. The free to play players catch up with the big spenders in a couple years.

This has always been true. Spending has never given anyone any sort of permanent advantage in the game. The temporary advantages they get are what we allow spenders to get to allow free to play players and small time spenders to actually play a game they would otherwise have to spend a lot more on.

The same thing is true of grinders and other high activity players. If you play a lot, you're going to have an advantage over those that can't or won't play as much. There's no compensation for that either. You accept that, or you find another game. Big spenders are no different from arena grinders or players in high tier alliances who get more rewards because they are willing to do what it takes to get them. Except for the fact that unlike all other players willing to do what it takes, they are willing to do the thing that keeps the game alive.

OGAvenger

Honestly he should be further ahead. If I spent 100k on this game in one event I’d expect to be so far ahead of “smaller players” that we might as well be playing two different games.

Yokozuna1994

I’m being sarcastic as to show why it’s a dumb reason the SBCs were made so bad on purpose so only the rich whales would be able to get anything good from them with there riches. It wouldn’t of hurt the game at all to make the SBCs better.

Demonzfyre

I’m being sarcastic as to show why it’s a dumb reason the SBCs were made so bad on purpose so only the rich whales would be able to get anything good from them with there riches. It wouldn’t of hurt the game at all to make the SBCs better.

Yes, so bad that there were 34% opened this year.

Don't you have a lawsuit to get ready for?

DNA3000

I’m being sarcastic as to show why it’s a dumb reason the SBCs were made so bad on purpose so only the rich whales would be able to get anything good from them with there riches. It wouldn’t of hurt the game at all to make the SBCs better.

Saying SBCs were made bad on purpose so only rich whales would be able to get anything good from them is like saying dollar bills are made worthless so only rich people can use them to get anything worthwhile.

SBCs are worth the same thing to the whales as to anyone else. They don’t get anything from them anyone else doesn’t. What they get is more.

Also, when you say it wouldn’t hurt the game to make them better, how would you know? How much of your house would you let me set on fire before it mattered? 5%? 1%? What difference does a few percent make?

A long time ago in this very game there were people like you saying “letting us have more 5* shards won’t hurt anything.” What it did was accelerate the saturation of 5* rarity and force the introduction of 6* champs sooner than would have happened otherwise, forcing players to start building rosters again. What it did was allow players to save up giant hoards of 5* shards and burn them on the original featured crystal, allowing them to practically guarantee getting the new champs every single time, completely breaking the rarity model and with it a significant chunk of the monetization systems of the game. Which caused the devs to get rid of that otherwise extremely popular crystal permanently from the game.

No one thing breaks a game economy. It is a lot of little things collectively. But there’s no such thing as doing just one thing, because there are only two kinds of designers. The conservative ones that hold the line, and the weak willed ones that give in when players demand more. A dev that would have made the SBCs a little better would have made them a lot better, because why not. They would have made everything else better as well, because why not. Because none of those things would hurt the game individually. But collectively, actually none of this would have happened, because the game wouldn’t still exist by now. the game would have Monty Hauled itself out of existence, or inflated itself into oblivion, or pay to winned itself into a death spiral.

Which has happened to many of this game’s competition in the early days. Once upon a time there wasn’t a day that went by that I didn’t hear people comparing this game to any one of a number of other Marvel games that were running side by side. I don’t know what happened to those players, but I do know what happened to those games. We don’t talk about them all that much anymore. Most are dead, some are still around but in a state that obviously discourages favorable comparisons. I had a lot of debates with those people back then, and I believe time has demonstrated just how misguided they were in retrospect.

I like to think I’m a pretty smart guy, and I know a lot about game design and game economies. I like to think I’m just as clever as MCOC’s economy designers. But I don’t know if I could have steered a mobile game economy (both sides) through ten years of existence and still be going just as strong. They did, and that means given a choice between a game economy designed by me or one designed by the Kabam devs, my own self-interest would force me to choose them.

Granted, it also gives me someone else to blame.

Yokozuna1994

I’m being sarcastic as to show why it’s a dumb reason the SBCs were made so bad on purpose so only the rich whales would be able to get anything good from them with there riches. It wouldn’t of hurt the game at all to make the SBCs better.
Saying SBCs were made bad on purpose so only rich whales would be able to get anything good from them is like saying dollar bills are made worthless so only rich people can use them to get anything worthwhile.

SBCs are worth the same thing to the whales as to anyone else. They don’t get anything from them anyone else doesn’t. What they get is more.

Also, when you say it wouldn’t hurt the game to make them better, how would you know? How much of your house would you let me set on fire before it mattered? 5%? 1%? What difference does a few percent make?

A long time ago in this very game there were people like you saying “letting us have more 5* shards won’t hurt anything.” What it did was accelerate the saturation of 5* rarity and force the introduction of 6* champs sooner than would have happened otherwise, forcing players to start building rosters again. What it did was allow players to save up giant hoards of 5* shards and burn them on the original featured crystal, allowing them to practically guarantee getting the new champs every single time, completely breaking the rarity model and with it a significant chunk of the monetization systems of the game. Which caused the devs to get rid of that otherwise extremely popular crystal permanently from the game.

No one thing breaks a game economy. It is a lot of little things collectively. But there’s no such thing as doing just one thing, because there are only two kinds of designers. The conservative ones that hold the line, and the weak willed ones that give in when players demand more. A dev that would have made the SBCs a little better would have made them a lot better, because why not. They would have made everything else better as well, because why not. Because none of those things would hurt the game individually. But collectively, actually none of this would have happened, because the game wouldn’t still exist by now. the game would have Monty Hauled itself out of existence, or inflated itself into oblivion, or pay to winned itself into a death spiral.

Which has happened to many of this game’s competition in the early days. Once upon a time there wasn’t a day that went by that I didn’t hear people comparing this game to any one of a number of other Marvel games that were running side by side. I don’t know what happened to those players, but I do know what happened to those games. We don’t talk about them all that much anymore. Most are dead, some are still around but in a state that obviously discourages favorable comparisons. I had a lot of debates with those people back then, and I believe time has demonstrated just how misguided they were in retrospect.

I like to think I’m a pretty smart guy, and I know a lot about game design and game economies. I like to think I’m just as clever as MCOC’s economy designers. But I don’t know if I could have steered a mobile game economy (both sides) through ten years of existence and still be going just as strong. They did, and that means given a choice between a game economy designed by me or one designed by the Kabam devs, my own self-interest would force me to choose them.

Granted, it also gives me someone else to blame.

When you score over 40k I’m sorry for expecting one or 2 extra keys and a couple titans and a couple 7 star nexus. Trust me that wouldn’t have killed the game. Kabam owes the players after this debacle

BigBlueOx

I just wanna say thanks for being a super bro and keeping this game ad free.

Only love for the Leviathan Whales here.

FishSkin

I’m being sarcastic as to show why it’s a dumb reason the SBCs were made so bad on purpose so only the rich whales would be able to get anything good from them with there riches. It wouldn’t of hurt the game at all to make the SBCs better.
Saying SBCs were made bad on purpose so only rich whales would be able to get anything good from them is like saying dollar bills are made worthless so only rich people can use them to get anything worthwhile.

SBCs are worth the same thing to the whales as to anyone else. They don’t get anything from them anyone else doesn’t. What they get is more.

Also, when you say it wouldn’t hurt the game to make them better, how would you know? How much of your house would you let me set on fire before it mattered? 5%? 1%? What difference does a few percent make?

A long time ago in this very game there were people like you saying “letting us have more 5* shards won’t hurt anything.” What it did was accelerate the saturation of 5* rarity and force the introduction of 6* champs sooner than would have happened otherwise, forcing players to start building rosters again. What it did was allow players to save up giant hoards of 5* shards and burn them on the original featured crystal, allowing them to practically guarantee getting the new champs every single time, completely breaking the rarity model and with it a significant chunk of the monetization systems of the game. Which caused the devs to get rid of that otherwise extremely popular crystal permanently from the game.

No one thing breaks a game economy. It is a lot of little things collectively. But there’s no such thing as doing just one thing, because there are only two kinds of designers. The conservative ones that hold the line, and the weak willed ones that give in when players demand more. A dev that would have made the SBCs a little better would have made them a lot better, because why not. They would have made everything else better as well, because why not. Because none of those things would hurt the game individually. But collectively, actually none of this would have happened, because the game wouldn’t still exist by now. the game would have Monty Hauled itself out of existence, or inflated itself into oblivion, or pay to winned itself into a death spiral.

Which has happened to many of this game’s competition in the early days. Once upon a time there wasn’t a day that went by that I didn’t hear people comparing this game to any one of a number of other Marvel games that were running side by side. I don’t know what happened to those players, but I do know what happened to those games. We don’t talk about them all that much anymore. Most are dead, some are still around but in a state that obviously discourages favorable comparisons. I had a lot of debates with those people back then, and I believe time has demonstrated just how misguided they were in retrospect.

I like to think I’m a pretty smart guy, and I know a lot about game design and game economies. I like to think I’m just as clever as MCOC’s economy designers. But I don’t know if I could have steered a mobile game economy (both sides) through ten years of existence and still be going just as strong. They did, and that means given a choice between a game economy designed by me or one designed by the Kabam devs, my own self-interest would force me to choose them.

Granted, it also gives me someone else to blame.
When you score over 40k I’m sorry for expecting one or 2 extra keys and a couple titans and a couple 7 star nexus. Trust me that wouldn’t have killed the game. Kabam owes the players after this debacle

You guys are slowly being silenced, and losing your support.

Eventually you’ll stop and move on to the next moan-fest… no doubt the next livestream will give you plenty to vent your anger on. After spamming the giveaway codes in twitch chat of course…

Soundwarp

Yall forget how many users are gunna get r4 with rank rewards lol

TotemCorruption

Hopefully small players can get some good compensation since Kabam let the game balance get out of control with this banquet event

How is the game balance out of whack exactly? 85% of the content is not PvP, so what are you saying, you're constantly losing to R4s in BG?
Also you may probably want to know that you don't need separate federal lawsuits, you can just join all of your smoking-gun claims against Kabam in your original one:
Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 18. Joinder of Claims
(a) In General. A party asserting a claim may join, as independent or alternative claims, as many claims as it has against an opposing party.
(b) Joinder of Contingent Claims. A party may join two claims even though one of them is contingent on the disposition of the other. In particular, a plaintiff may state a claim for money and a claim to set aside a conveyance that is fraudulent as to that plaintiff, without first obtaining a judgment for the money.

Hulk808

I dont care how rich you are, spending that much on a mobile game is being bad with your money. He should be on that show, “Intervention.”

I wouldn’t be in anyway discouraged on his r4’s. One day we will all have r4’s without spending anything. It’s like that time when everyone spent hundreds for the 6* OG Vision and they gave everyone a free one later. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. 👍🏻

DNA3000

I’m being sarcastic as to show why it’s a dumb reason the SBCs were made so bad on purpose so only the rich whales would be able to get anything good from them with there riches. It wouldn’t of hurt the game at all to make the SBCs better.
Saying SBCs were made bad on purpose so only rich whales would be able to get anything good from them is like saying dollar bills are made worthless so only rich people can use them to get anything worthwhile.

SBCs are worth the same thing to the whales as to anyone else. They don’t get anything from them anyone else doesn’t. What they get is more.

Also, when you say it wouldn’t hurt the game to make them better, how would you know? How much of your house would you let me set on fire before it mattered? 5%? 1%? What difference does a few percent make?

A long time ago in this very game there were people like you saying “letting us have more 5* shards won’t hurt anything.” What it did was accelerate the saturation of 5* rarity and force the introduction of 6* champs sooner than would have happened otherwise, forcing players to start building rosters again. What it did was allow players to save up giant hoards of 5* shards and burn them on the original featured crystal, allowing them to practically guarantee getting the new champs every single time, completely breaking the rarity model and with it a significant chunk of the monetization systems of the game. Which caused the devs to get rid of that otherwise extremely popular crystal permanently from the game.

No one thing breaks a game economy. It is a lot of little things collectively. But there’s no such thing as doing just one thing, because there are only two kinds of designers. The conservative ones that hold the line, and the weak willed ones that give in when players demand more. A dev that would have made the SBCs a little better would have made them a lot better, because why not. They would have made everything else better as well, because why not. Because none of those things would hurt the game individually. But collectively, actually none of this would have happened, because the game wouldn’t still exist by now. the game would have Monty Hauled itself out of existence, or inflated itself into oblivion, or pay to winned itself into a death spiral.

Which has happened to many of this game’s competition in the early days. Once upon a time there wasn’t a day that went by that I didn’t hear people comparing this game to any one of a number of other Marvel games that were running side by side. I don’t know what happened to those players, but I do know what happened to those games. We don’t talk about them all that much anymore. Most are dead, some are still around but in a state that obviously discourages favorable comparisons. I had a lot of debates with those people back then, and I believe time has demonstrated just how misguided they were in retrospect.

I like to think I’m a pretty smart guy, and I know a lot about game design and game economies. I like to think I’m just as clever as MCOC’s economy designers. But I don’t know if I could have steered a mobile game economy (both sides) through ten years of existence and still be going just as strong. They did, and that means given a choice between a game economy designed by me or one designed by the Kabam devs, my own self-interest would force me to choose them.

Granted, it also gives me someone else to blame.
When you score over 40k I’m sorry for expecting one or 2 extra keys and a couple titans and a couple 7 star nexus. Trust me that wouldn’t have killed the game. Kabam owes the players after this debacle

Well, when you put it that way, I regret ever thinking otherwise. I trust your judgment completely now.

Awesomep12

I'm f2p and have only been playing for 2 years, and I have 4 r3 7*s and am ready for any new act content and everest content. I don't see your point. People like pepe and chewboom have even reached valiant in 2-3 weeks on a new account.

Eakomo

I’m being sarcastic as to show why it’s a dumb reason the SBCs were made so bad on purpose so only the rich whales would be able to get anything good from them with there riches. It wouldn’t of hurt the game at all to make the SBCs better.
Saying SBCs were made bad on purpose so only rich whales would be able to get anything good from them is like saying dollar bills are made worthless so only rich people can use them to get anything worthwhile.

SBCs are worth the same thing to the whales as to anyone else. They don’t get anything from them anyone else doesn’t. What they get is more.

Also, when you say it wouldn’t hurt the game to make them better, how would you know? How much of your house would you let me set on fire before it mattered? 5%? 1%? What difference does a few percent make?

A long time ago in this very game there were people like you saying “letting us have more 5* shards won’t hurt anything.” What it did was accelerate the saturation of 5* rarity and force the introduction of 6* champs sooner than would have happened otherwise, forcing players to start building rosters again. What it did was allow players to save up giant hoards of 5* shards and burn them on the original featured crystal, allowing them to practically guarantee getting the new champs every single time, completely breaking the rarity model and with it a significant chunk of the monetization systems of the game. Which caused the devs to get rid of that otherwise extremely popular crystal permanently from the game.

No one thing breaks a game economy. It is a lot of little things collectively. But there’s no such thing as doing just one thing, because there are only two kinds of designers. The conservative ones that hold the line, and the weak willed ones that give in when players demand more. A dev that would have made the SBCs a little better would have made them a lot better, because why not. They would have made everything else better as well, because why not. Because none of those things would hurt the game individually. But collectively, actually none of this would have happened, because the game wouldn’t still exist by now. the game would have Monty Hauled itself out of existence, or inflated itself into oblivion, or pay to winned itself into a death spiral.

Which has happened to many of this game’s competition in the early days. Once upon a time there wasn’t a day that went by that I didn’t hear people comparing this game to any one of a number of other Marvel games that were running side by side. I don’t know what happened to those players, but I do know what happened to those games. We don’t talk about them all that much anymore. Most are dead, some are still around but in a state that obviously discourages favorable comparisons. I had a lot of debates with those people back then, and I believe time has demonstrated just how misguided they were in retrospect.

I like to think I’m a pretty smart guy, and I know a lot about game design and game economies. I like to think I’m just as clever as MCOC’s economy designers. But I don’t know if I could have steered a mobile game economy (both sides) through ten years of existence and still be going just as strong. They did, and that means given a choice between a game economy designed by me or one designed by the Kabam devs, my own self-interest would force me to choose them.

Granted, it also gives me someone else to blame.

Firstly we can only say the SBC's have the same worth before they came out and you can assign an average value to them based on the possible rewards you can get. but after being release the worth/value of the crystals are anything from good for most of the players who opened them and opening more, getting rewards from milestones with the points doesn't make them any better.

as a quick example if a player opens 5 and gets rare 7* champs, selectors and keys from all 5, the value of the crystal for him is much higher than if you opened 500 and got 1 key and mostly sig stones and rank up catalysts.

on the debate of featured champions, it's still the same situation in the game just changed to more gacha crystals and now guaranteed deals for new champions, now removing a more accessible and reliable way to get new champions to then random and then back to guaranteed but with spending is just going back to the same solution but monetizing it.

I agree with not just a single decision will break the game's economy but trends towards a particular goal and changes will break it. but then we have to ask with the decisions made in events in the past 2 years and going forward s to are the economy changes something the players will want to be invested in and enjoy.
for me i'm not so interested in them, (i am just guessing) but we have probably seen more non-7* champions made available as deals than into the base pool and not counting separate locked collection methods from rewards and exchange resources (loyalty, incursions).

and to end on the banquet (as expected), there are many questions about the rewards and how it has been allocated that seems were not asked during the design and implementation of the rewards or even check with the original goal that asks the question "what is the goal and intention of the rewards in the banquet?"

arifin74

I’m being sarcastic as to show why it’s a dumb reason the SBCs were made so bad on purpose so only the rich whales would be able to get anything good from them with there riches. It wouldn’t of hurt the game at all to make the SBCs better.
Saying SBCs were made bad on purpose so only rich whales would be able to get anything good from them is like saying dollar bills are made worthless so only rich people can use them to get anything worthwhile.

SBCs are worth the same thing to the whales as to anyone else. They don’t get anything from them anyone else doesn’t. What they get is more.

Also, when you say it wouldn’t hurt the game to make them better, how would you know? How much of your house would you let me set on fire before it mattered? 5%? 1%? What difference does a few percent make?

A long time ago in this very game there were people like you saying “letting us have more 5* shards won’t hurt anything.” What it did was accelerate the saturation of 5* rarity and force the introduction of 6* champs sooner than would have happened otherwise, forcing players to start building rosters again. What it did was allow players to save up giant hoards of 5* shards and burn them on the original featured crystal, allowing them to practically guarantee getting the new champs every single time, completely breaking the rarity model and with it a significant chunk of the monetization systems of the game. Which caused the devs to get rid of that otherwise extremely popular crystal permanently from the game.

No one thing breaks a game economy. It is a lot of little things collectively. But there’s no such thing as doing just one thing, because there are only two kinds of designers. The conservative ones that hold the line, and the weak willed ones that give in when players demand more. A dev that would have made the SBCs a little better would have made them a lot better, because why not. They would have made everything else better as well, because why not. Because none of those things would hurt the game individually. But collectively, actually none of this would have happened, because the game wouldn’t still exist by now. the game would have Monty Hauled itself out of existence, or inflated itself into oblivion, or pay to winned itself into a death spiral.

Which has happened to many of this game’s competition in the early days. Once upon a time there wasn’t a day that went by that I didn’t hear people comparing this game to any one of a number of other Marvel games that were running side by side. I don’t know what happened to those players, but I do know what happened to those games. We don’t talk about them all that much anymore. Most are dead, some are still around but in a state that obviously discourages favorable comparisons. I had a lot of debates with those people back then, and I believe time has demonstrated just how misguided they were in retrospect.

I like to think I’m a pretty smart guy, and I know a lot about game design and game economies. I like to think I’m just as clever as MCOC’s economy designers. But I don’t know if I could have steered a mobile game economy (both sides) through ten years of existence and still be going just as strong. They did, and that means given a choice between a game economy designed by me or one designed by the Kabam devs, my own self-interest would force me to choose them.

Granted, it also gives me someone else to blame.
Firstly we can only say the SBC's have the same worth before they came out and you can assign an average value to them based on the possible rewards you can get. but after being release the worth/value of the crystals are anything from good for most of the players who opened them and opening more, getting rewards from milestones with the points doesn't make them any better.

as a quick example if a player opens 5 and gets rare 7* champs, selectors and keys from all 5, the value of the crystal for him is much higher than if you opened 500 and got 1 key and mostly sig stones and rank up catalysts.

on the debate of featured champions, it's still the same situation in the game just changed to more gacha crystals and now guaranteed deals for new champions, now removing a more accessible and reliable way to get new champions to then random and then back to guaranteed but with spending is just going back to the same solution but monetizing it.

I agree with not just a single decision will break the game's economy but trends towards a particular goal and changes will break it. but then we have to ask with the decisions made in events in the past 2 years and going forward s to are the economy changes something the players will want to be invested in and enjoy.
for me i'm not so interested in them, (i am just guessing) but we have probably seen more non-7* champions made available as deals than into the base pool and not counting separate locked collection methods from rewards and exchange resources (loyalty, incursions).

and to end on the banquet (as expected), there are many questions about the rewards and how it has been allocated that seems were not asked during the design and implementation of the rewards or even check with the original goal that asks the question "what is the goal and intention of the rewards in the banquet?"

All this, and ultimately made no point! You just wanna know kabam's business strategy?