lack of accountability from kabam

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  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,059 ★★★★
    Champ_197 said:

    Deacon said:

    Deacon said:

    i admit it never dawned on me how scary summoners are and that sharing news with them intimidates most people. a lot to be feared for sure.

    *sarcasm has left the chat

    Scary enough to create Live ops teams, forum analysis and discord tools, instead of addressing simple things like Spiral's sp1 bug or the constant VFX issues.
    The best offense is a good defense, and they are creating the likes of Skynet apparently.
    let's get this out of the way. i am nowhere near a Kabam apologist. But I don't think (and this goes across all gaming platforms in their respective communities) ... i don't think the majority of people understand how businesses work especially gaming industry companies.

    these are REAL people who do REAL things outside of the "job". so they're not available at every moment to address issues and issues of this nature that requires a great amount of company eyes isn't something you rush out. You have to (and we have to) consider ourselves lucky to have the amount of community engagement that we do.

    i've seen HORRIBLE engagement from game companies and I can assure you that Kabam is not even close to being horrible. they communicate .. and they do it a LOT. it may not be liked, at a time you want or convenient but they do communicate.

    and there are bosses that you have never heard from nor will ever see that these guys and girls have to report to, communicate with, get the blessing from before they do any kind of communication.

    what I'll suggest though is for everyone to remember .. mate it's just a game. in the grand scheme of things it's just a game. it can't be that serious of an issue in life to uproar over a game. it just can't be. Kabam isn't hiding from us because we're no one to hide from. they have a vested interest to communicate plans and they do so rest assured it WILL come but that time is only known to the powers that be.

    Give it time ... but try not to stress about a game. Play it until word comes.
    they want a struggle session.



    an apology is meaningless to them and all the juicy milestones in the world and the insanely good christmas gift wasn't enough. somehow in topsy turvy land the banquet robbed them of their dignity and turned them into fools and they want blood.

    these are the same people who wanted to riot over the release of absman and gave 1200+ middle fingers to dave's announcement on discord. totally reasonable people.
    yeah mate you are the only one reasonable person here , bro didnt understand what our cruticism was and doesnt understand it even now
    i get it. you guys felt the SBCs were weak, that you felt "betrayed" about the SBCs not having filler (you claim the quantities of the good stuff were not high enough), that weak SBCs took the fun out of spinning crystals which is a big part of the event, and you didn't appreciate them giving the t6b/t3a offers to the super ultra mega whales but not everybody else.

    i see what you're saying but it's still mostly hurt feelings over something trivial and it's best to just get over it. kabam can handle things better and try to anticipate unreasonable outrage better next time but our feeliings are hurt and we're wrong and making a big deal out of nothing.
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,059 ★★★★

    Deacon said:

    Deacon said:

    i admit it never dawned on me how scary summoners are and that sharing news with them intimidates most people. a lot to be feared for sure.

    *sarcasm has left the chat

    Scary enough to create Live ops teams, forum analysis and discord tools, instead of addressing simple things like Spiral's sp1 bug or the constant VFX issues.
    The best offense is a good defense, and they are creating the likes of Skynet apparently.
    let's get this out of the way. i am nowhere near a Kabam apologist. But I don't think (and this goes across all gaming platforms in their respective communities) ... i don't think the majority of people understand how businesses work especially gaming industry companies.

    these are REAL people who do REAL things outside of the "job". so they're not available at every moment to address issues and issues of this nature that requires a great amount of company eyes isn't something you rush out. You have to (and we have to) consider ourselves lucky to have the amount of community engagement that we do.

    i've seen HORRIBLE engagement from game companies and I can assure you that Kabam is not even close to being horrible. they communicate .. and they do it a LOT. it may not be liked, at a time you want or convenient but they do communicate.

    and there are bosses that you have never heard from nor will ever see that these guys and girls have to report to, communicate with, get the blessing from before they do any kind of communication.

    what I'll suggest though is for everyone to remember .. mate it's just a game. in the grand scheme of things it's just a game. it can't be that serious of an issue in life to uproar over a game. it just can't be. Kabam isn't hiding from us because we're no one to hide from. they have a vested interest to communicate plans and they do so rest assured it WILL come but that time is only known to the powers that be.

    Give it time ... but try not to stress about a game. Play it until word comes.
    they want a struggle session.



    an apology is meaningless to them and all the juicy milestones in the world and the insanely good christmas gift wasn't enough. somehow in topsy turvy land the banquet robbed them of their dignity and turned them into fools and they want blood.

    these are the same people who wanted to riot over the release of absman and gave 1200+ middle fingers to dave's announcement on discord. totally reasonable people.

    Sure buddy, that’s a “reasonable” co-opting of an historical event to grind your dumb ax in a game forum. Real cool.
    we talked in PM so i'm not replying to you and just directing this this to people who upvoted this.

    the Red Guard above had no intention of having a heart to heart to come up with a better understanding, they were just a mob with pitchforks.

    on the day the banquet came out, the devs politely and calmly explained the rationale for removing value from the crystals but it was met with indifference and 176 disagrees vs 32 insightfuls/agrees. most players don't seem to want understanding.

    i get that players won't like me beating this drum but i'll keep saying it.


  • Shadow_ShooterShadow_Shooter Member Posts: 452 ★★★

    Deacon said:

    Deacon said:

    i admit it never dawned on me how scary summoners are and that sharing news with them intimidates most people. a lot to be feared for sure.

    *sarcasm has left the chat

    Scary enough to create Live ops teams, forum analysis and discord tools, instead of addressing simple things like Spiral's sp1 bug or the constant VFX issues.
    The best offense is a good defense, and they are creating the likes of Skynet apparently.
    let's get this out of the way. i am nowhere near a Kabam apologist. But I don't think (and this goes across all gaming platforms in their respective communities) ... i don't think the majority of people understand how businesses work especially gaming industry companies.

    these are REAL people who do REAL things outside of the "job". so they're not available at every moment to address issues and issues of this nature that requires a great amount of company eyes isn't something you rush out. You have to (and we have to) consider ourselves lucky to have the amount of community engagement that we do.

    i've seen HORRIBLE engagement from game companies and I can assure you that Kabam is not even close to being horrible. they communicate .. and they do it a LOT. it may not be liked, at a time you want or convenient but they do communicate.

    and there are bosses that you have never heard from nor will ever see that these guys and girls have to report to, communicate with, get the blessing from before they do any kind of communication.

    what I'll suggest though is for everyone to remember .. mate it's just a game. in the grand scheme of things it's just a game. it can't be that serious of an issue in life to uproar over a game. it just can't be. Kabam isn't hiding from us because we're no one to hide from. they have a vested interest to communicate plans and they do so rest assured it WILL come but that time is only known to the powers that be.

    Give it time ... but try not to stress about a game. Play it until word comes.
    they want a struggle session.



    an apology is meaningless to them and all the juicy milestones in the world and the insanely good christmas gift wasn't enough. somehow in topsy turvy land the banquet robbed them of their dignity and turned them into fools and they want blood.

    these are the same people who wanted to riot over the release of absman and gave 1200+ middle fingers to dave's announcement on discord. totally reasonable people.

    Sure buddy, that’s a “reasonable” co-opting of an historical event to grind your dumb ax in a game forum. Real cool.
    we talked in PM so i'm not replying to you and just directing this this to people who upvoted this.

    the Red Guard above had no intention of having a heart to heart to come up with a better understanding, they were just a mob with pitchforks.

    on the day the banquet came out, the devs politely and calmly explained the rationale for removing value from the crystals but it was met with indifference and 176 disagrees vs 32 insightfuls/agrees. most players don't seem to want understanding.

    i get that players won't like me beating this drum but i'll keep saying it.


    Because people don’t have to agree with or “understand” unreasablable explanations. You’re in an illussion. Wake up.
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,059 ★★★★
    edited January 9

    Deacon said:

    Deacon said:

    i admit it never dawned on me how scary summoners are and that sharing news with them intimidates most people. a lot to be feared for sure.

    *sarcasm has left the chat

    Scary enough to create Live ops teams, forum analysis and discord tools, instead of addressing simple things like Spiral's sp1 bug or the constant VFX issues.
    The best offense is a good defense, and they are creating the likes of Skynet apparently.
    let's get this out of the way. i am nowhere near a Kabam apologist. But I don't think (and this goes across all gaming platforms in their respective communities) ... i don't think the majority of people understand how businesses work especially gaming industry companies.

    these are REAL people who do REAL things outside of the "job". so they're not available at every moment to address issues and issues of this nature that requires a great amount of company eyes isn't something you rush out. You have to (and we have to) consider ourselves lucky to have the amount of community engagement that we do.

    i've seen HORRIBLE engagement from game companies and I can assure you that Kabam is not even close to being horrible. they communicate .. and they do it a LOT. it may not be liked, at a time you want or convenient but they do communicate.

    and there are bosses that you have never heard from nor will ever see that these guys and girls have to report to, communicate with, get the blessing from before they do any kind of communication.

    what I'll suggest though is for everyone to remember .. mate it's just a game. in the grand scheme of things it's just a game. it can't be that serious of an issue in life to uproar over a game. it just can't be. Kabam isn't hiding from us because we're no one to hide from. they have a vested interest to communicate plans and they do so rest assured it WILL come but that time is only known to the powers that be.

    Give it time ... but try not to stress about a game. Play it until word comes.
    they want a struggle session.



    an apology is meaningless to them and all the juicy milestones in the world and the insanely good christmas gift wasn't enough. somehow in topsy turvy land the banquet robbed them of their dignity and turned them into fools and they want blood.

    these are the same people who wanted to riot over the release of absman and gave 1200+ middle fingers to dave's announcement on discord. totally reasonable people.

    Sure buddy, that’s a “reasonable” co-opting of an historical event to grind your dumb ax in a game forum. Real cool.
    we talked in PM so i'm not replying to you and just directing this this to people who upvoted this.

    the Red Guard above had no intention of having a heart to heart to come up with a better understanding, they were just a mob with pitchforks.

    on the day the banquet came out, the devs politely and calmly explained the rationale for removing value from the crystals but it was met with indifference and 176 disagrees vs 32 insightfuls/agrees. most players don't seem to want understanding.

    i get that players won't like me beating this drum but i'll keep saying it.


    Because people don’t have to agree with or “understand” unreasablable explanations. You’re in an illussion. Wake up.
    "the seasoned game dev doesn't understand game design and we do!".
  • Champ_197Champ_197 Member Posts: 35 ★★

    Champ_197 said:

    Deacon said:

    Deacon said:

    i admit it never dawned on me how scary summoners are and that sharing news with them intimidates most people. a lot to be feared for sure.

    *sarcasm has left the chat

    Scary enough to create Live ops teams, forum analysis and discord tools, instead of addressing simple things like Spiral's sp1 bug or the constant VFX issues.
    The best offense is a good defense, and they are creating the likes of Skynet apparently.
    let's get this out of the way. i am nowhere near a Kabam apologist. But I don't think (and this goes across all gaming platforms in their respective communities) ... i don't think the majority of people understand how businesses work especially gaming industry companies.

    these are REAL people who do REAL things outside of the "job". so they're not available at every moment to address issues and issues of this nature that requires a great amount of company eyes isn't something you rush out. You have to (and we have to) consider ourselves lucky to have the amount of community engagement that we do.

    i've seen HORRIBLE engagement from game companies and I can assure you that Kabam is not even close to being horrible. they communicate .. and they do it a LOT. it may not be liked, at a time you want or convenient but they do communicate.

    and there are bosses that you have never heard from nor will ever see that these guys and girls have to report to, communicate with, get the blessing from before they do any kind of communication.

    what I'll suggest though is for everyone to remember .. mate it's just a game. in the grand scheme of things it's just a game. it can't be that serious of an issue in life to uproar over a game. it just can't be. Kabam isn't hiding from us because we're no one to hide from. they have a vested interest to communicate plans and they do so rest assured it WILL come but that time is only known to the powers that be.

    Give it time ... but try not to stress about a game. Play it until word comes.
    they want a struggle session.



    an apology is meaningless to them and all the juicy milestones in the world and the insanely good christmas gift wasn't enough. somehow in topsy turvy land the banquet robbed them of their dignity and turned them into fools and they want blood.

    these are the same people who wanted to riot over the release of absman and gave 1200+ middle fingers to dave's announcement on discord. totally reasonable people.
    yeah mate you are the only one reasonable person here , bro didnt understand what our cruticism was and doesnt understand it even now
    i get it. you guys felt the SBCs were weak, that you felt "betrayed" about the SBCs not having filler (you claim the quantities of the good stuff were not high enough), that weak SBCs took the fun out of spinning crystals which is a big part of the event, and you didn't appreciate them giving the t6b/t3a offers to the super ultra mega whales but not everybody else.

    i see what you're saying but it's still mostly hurt feelings over something trivial and it's best to just get over it. kabam can handle things better and try to anticipate unreasonable outrage better next time but our feeliings are hurt and we're wrong and making a big deal out of nothing.
    People spent real money and grinded real time for getting underwhelming and misinformed rewards , of course there is going to an uproar which is fully justified as if we were told about the drop rates sooner enough and were not lied to about realm event being just extra and not impacting banquet in any way there wouldnt have been such commotion.
  • Champ_197Champ_197 Member Posts: 35 ★★
    edited January 9

    Deacon said:

    Deacon said:

    i admit it never dawned on me how scary summoners are and that sharing news with them intimidates most people. a lot to be feared for sure.

    *sarcasm has left the chat

    Scary enough to create Live ops teams, forum analysis and discord tools, instead of addressing simple things like Spiral's sp1 bug or the constant VFX issues.
    The best offense is a good defense, and they are creating the likes of Skynet apparently.
    let's get this out of the way. i am nowhere near a Kabam apologist. But I don't think (and this goes across all gaming platforms in their respective communities) ... i don't think the majority of people understand how businesses work especially gaming industry companies.

    these are REAL people who do REAL things outside of the "job". so they're not available at every moment to address issues and issues of this nature that requires a great amount of company eyes isn't something you rush out. You have to (and we have to) consider ourselves lucky to have the amount of community engagement that we do.

    i've seen HORRIBLE engagement from game companies and I can assure you that Kabam is not even close to being horrible. they communicate .. and they do it a LOT. it may not be liked, at a time you want or convenient but they do communicate.

    and there are bosses that you have never heard from nor will ever see that these guys and girls have to report to, communicate with, get the blessing from before they do any kind of communication.

    what I'll suggest though is for everyone to remember .. mate it's just a game. in the grand scheme of things it's just a game. it can't be that serious of an issue in life to uproar over a game. it just can't be. Kabam isn't hiding from us because we're no one to hide from. they have a vested interest to communicate plans and they do so rest assured it WILL come but that time is only known to the powers that be.

    Give it time ... but try not to stress about a game. Play it until word comes.
    they want a struggle session.



    an apology is meaningless to them and all the juicy milestones in the world and the insanely good christmas gift wasn't enough. somehow in topsy turvy land the banquet robbed them of their dignity and turned them into fools and they want blood.

    these are the same people who wanted to riot over the release of absman and gave 1200+ middle fingers to dave's announcement on discord. totally reasonable people.

    Sure buddy, that’s a “reasonable” co-opting of an historical event to grind your dumb ax in a game forum. Real cool.
    we talked in PM so i'm not replying to you and just directing this this to people who upvoted this.

    the Red Guard above had no intention of having a heart to heart to come up with a better understanding, they were just a mob with pitchforks.

    on the day the banquet came out, the devs politely and calmly explained the rationale for removing value from the crystals but it was met with indifference and 176 disagrees vs 32 insightfuls/agrees. most players don't seem to want understanding.

    i get that players won't like me beating this drum but i'll keep saying it.


    and this is just pure bulls*it on their part , this is an event where people spend money ,it is made for spenders post as gifting doesnt exist annymore , the whales already have a full deck of 7r3s if they would have altered the drop rates for catalysts and tweaked the amount of catalysts to be more higher for a bit less drop rate , more drop rate for 7star shards and more amount of titan shards nobody would have complained that much.

    and if they still wanna fixate on but our focus was on milestones then also address why we needed double the amount of units from last year like wtf kinda unit inflation is this and also we might even agree to it , but couldnt yall have dropped info on amount of unit required for us as any sooner. we wouldve grinded even more especially for realm event as it required more than 18k units to get all the rewards in the end and previous banquets required 10k units at max
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