Knull Symbiote Attacks Don't Ignore Arcade's Auto Block?

DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,312 ★★★★★
edited January 4 in General Discussion
Just doing some BGs and ended up having to take Knull against Arcade ... cool I thought needed to counter his auto block BUT apparently not. why were his symbiote attacks which gain inherent true accuracy still being auto blocked when they're supposed to shut down evade and auto block?

The next cycle ended up taking Medusa against Arcade and her same true accuracy auto block shut down worked fine.

What am I missing about Knull symbiote attacks not working against Arcade?

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  • MCOCHazzaMCOCHazza Member Posts: 905 ★★★
    edited January 4
    Arcade’s cheat code pre fight applies -100% true accuracy ability accuracy
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,935 ★★★★★
    Knull has passive True Accuracy on his symbiote attacks. One of Arcade’s prefights (which he always has active on defense) reduces the ability accuracy of True effects by 100%.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,654 ★★★★★
    edited January 4
    Nice of you to not blame in on bugs or kabam.

  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,312 ★★★★★
    edited January 4
    EdisonLaw said:

    Knull has passive True Accuracy on his symbiote attacks. One of Arcade’s prefights (which he always has active on defense) reduces the ability accuracy of True effects by 100%.

    yep I know BUT .. why does Medusa's true accuracy bypass this and Knull's does not?
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,312 ★★★★★
    Matthewmercury said:

    It's like you don't even listen to your ally mates

    because they know nothing ie you LOL
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,905 ★★★★★
    Deacon said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Knull has passive True Accuracy on his symbiote attacks. One of Arcade’s prefights (which he always has active on defense) reduces the ability accuracy of True effects by 100%.

    yep I know BUT .. why does Medusa's true accuracy bypass this?
    Is your medusa awakened? If so I'm going to assume fervor is bugged and is increasing the potency of her true accuracy
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,312 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Deacon said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Knull has passive True Accuracy on his symbiote attacks. One of Arcade’s prefights (which he always has active on defense) reduces the ability accuracy of True effects by 100%.

    yep I know BUT .. why does Medusa's true accuracy bypass this?
    Is your medusa awakened? If so I'm going to assume fervor is bugged and is increasing the potency of her true accuracy
    she is. but i've tested this against a few other champs with true accuracy and they all bypass his auto block except Knull.
  • SquidopusSquidopus Member Posts: 744 ★★★★
    Deacon said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Deacon said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Knull has passive True Accuracy on his symbiote attacks. One of Arcade’s prefights (which he always has active on defense) reduces the ability accuracy of True effects by 100%.

    yep I know BUT .. why does Medusa's true accuracy bypass this?
    Is your medusa awakened? If so I'm going to assume fervor is bugged and is increasing the potency of her true accuracy
    she is. but i've tested this against a few other champs with true accuracy and they all bypass his auto block except Knull.
    If you don’t mind, which champs did you test that supposedly worked? I tried it myself, and basically every true ability I’ve tested has failed to trigger against Arcade as it should.









    The only one I found that did work was your aforementioned Medusa example, which is almost certainly a bug:

  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 992 ★★★★
    Attuma should work I guess.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 992 ★★★★
    SirGamesBond said:

    Nice of you to not blame in on bugs or kabam.

    *Yet
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,312 ★★★★★
    edited January 4
    Squidopus said:

    Deacon said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Deacon said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Knull has passive True Accuracy on his symbiote attacks. One of Arcade’s prefights (which he always has active on defense) reduces the ability accuracy of True effects by 100%.

    yep I know BUT .. why does Medusa's true accuracy bypass this?
    Is your medusa awakened? If so I'm going to assume fervor is bugged and is increasing the potency of her true accuracy
    she is. but i've tested this against a few other champs with true accuracy and they all bypass his auto block except Knull.
    If you don’t mind, which champs did you test that supposedly worked? I tried it myself, and basically every true ability I’ve tested has failed to trigger against Arcade as it should.









    The only one I found that did work was your aforementioned Medusa example, which is almost certainly a bug:

    MoleGod and Attuma were the ones I tested ... I guess Attuma I get it with his reversal accuracy?? But I also tested Odin ... he doesn't even gain his true strike so I know about that. This situation is about True Accuracy.

    I'm just curious as to why the disparity in some cases vs others. Medusa, MoleGod ... haven't had a chance to see if DDHK still does. And I hope I'm not going to promote any bug fix LOL ... just looking to understand it more so than anything because I use Knull quite a lot .. I would normally never use him against Arcade especially now knowing he won't work.

    It was just a surprise .. I just expected him to be able to shut the auto block down. Now I know he won't.
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,312 ★★★★★
    SirGamesBond said:

    Nice of you to not blame in on bugs or kabam.

    lol yeah no blame to assign anywhere. Was just looking for clarity.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,654 ★★★★★
    Average_Desi said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    Nice of you to not blame in on bugs or kabam.

    *Yet
    Lol, And here we are, with that one post with the actual bug.
  • SquidopusSquidopus Member Posts: 744 ★★★★
    Deacon said:

    Squidopus said:

    Deacon said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Deacon said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Knull has passive True Accuracy on his symbiote attacks. One of Arcade’s prefights (which he always has active on defense) reduces the ability accuracy of True effects by 100%.

    yep I know BUT .. why does Medusa's true accuracy bypass this?
    Is your medusa awakened? If so I'm going to assume fervor is bugged and is increasing the potency of her true accuracy
    she is. but i've tested this against a few other champs with true accuracy and they all bypass his auto block except Knull.
    If you don’t mind, which champs did you test that supposedly worked? I tried it myself, and basically every true ability I’ve tested has failed to trigger against Arcade as it should.









    The only one I found that did work was your aforementioned Medusa example, which is almost certainly a bug:

    MoleGod and Attuma were the ones I tested ... I guess Attuma I get it with his reversal accuracy?? But I also tested Odin ... he doesn't even gain his true strike so I know about that. This situation is about True Accuracy.

    I'm just curious as to why the disparity in some cases vs others. Medusa, MoleGod ... haven't had a chance to see if DDHK still does. And I hope I'm not going to promote any bug fix LOL ... just looking to understand it more so than anything because I use Knull quite a lot .. I would normally never use him against Arcade especially now knowing he won't work.

    It was just a surprise .. I just expected him to be able to shut the auto block down. Now I know he won't.
    Yeah Attuma should work because Arcade reduces true accuracy AA and Attuma just converts that into an increase instead, that’s intended behavior. Mole-man, however, seems to be a case of order of operations; seems like his true accuracy triggers on fight start slightly before Arcade’s pre-fights come online so it doesn’t get shut off initially. If you lose the true accuracy you start with via entering frenzy or gaining too much mass, he doesn’t get it back once he returns to normal:

    No real way to say if Mole-man’s case is a bug since it’s not inherently clear from descriptions. Regardless other true accuracy effects do fail as they should (see examples with Proxima, Kate, and Bullseye), it’s just Medusa that’s clearly bugged.
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,312 ★★★★★
    Squidopus said:

    Deacon said:

    Squidopus said:

    Deacon said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Deacon said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Knull has passive True Accuracy on his symbiote attacks. One of Arcade’s prefights (which he always has active on defense) reduces the ability accuracy of True effects by 100%.

    yep I know BUT .. why does Medusa's true accuracy bypass this?
    Is your medusa awakened? If so I'm going to assume fervor is bugged and is increasing the potency of her true accuracy
    she is. but i've tested this against a few other champs with true accuracy and they all bypass his auto block except Knull.
    If you don’t mind, which champs did you test that supposedly worked? I tried it myself, and basically every true ability I’ve tested has failed to trigger against Arcade as it should.









    The only one I found that did work was your aforementioned Medusa example, which is almost certainly a bug:

    MoleGod and Attuma were the ones I tested ... I guess Attuma I get it with his reversal accuracy?? But I also tested Odin ... he doesn't even gain his true strike so I know about that. This situation is about True Accuracy.

    I'm just curious as to why the disparity in some cases vs others. Medusa, MoleGod ... haven't had a chance to see if DDHK still does. And I hope I'm not going to promote any bug fix LOL ... just looking to understand it more so than anything because I use Knull quite a lot .. I would normally never use him against Arcade especially now knowing he won't work.

    It was just a surprise .. I just expected him to be able to shut the auto block down. Now I know he won't.
    Yeah Attuma should work because Arcade reduces true accuracy AA and Attuma just converts that into an increase instead, that’s intended behavior. Mole-man, however, seems to be a case of order of operations; seems like his true accuracy triggers on fight start slightly before Arcade’s pre-fights come online so it doesn’t get shut off initially. If you lose the true accuracy you start with via entering frenzy or gaining too much mass, he doesn’t get it back once he returns to normal:

    No real way to say if Mole-man’s case is a bug since it’s not inherently clear from descriptions. Regardless other true accuracy effects do fail as they should (see examples with Proxima, Kate, and Bullseye), it’s just Medusa that’s clearly bugged.
    no worries. i'll just stick to Undermine then lol. Not worth the headaches to understand it.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 992 ★★★★
    Squidopus said:

    Deacon said:

    Squidopus said:

    Deacon said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Deacon said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Knull has passive True Accuracy on his symbiote attacks. One of Arcade’s prefights (which he always has active on defense) reduces the ability accuracy of True effects by 100%.

    yep I know BUT .. why does Medusa's true accuracy bypass this?
    Is your medusa awakened? If so I'm going to assume fervor is bugged and is increasing the potency of her true accuracy
    she is. but i've tested this against a few other champs with true accuracy and they all bypass his auto block except Knull.
    If you don’t mind, which champs did you test that supposedly worked? I tried it myself, and basically every true ability I’ve tested has failed to trigger against Arcade as it should.









    The only one I found that did work was your aforementioned Medusa example, which is almost certainly a bug:

    MoleGod and Attuma were the ones I tested ... I guess Attuma I get it with his reversal accuracy?? But I also tested Odin ... he doesn't even gain his true strike so I know about that. This situation is about True Accuracy.

    I'm just curious as to why the disparity in some cases vs others. Medusa, MoleGod ... haven't had a chance to see if DDHK still does. And I hope I'm not going to promote any bug fix LOL ... just looking to understand it more so than anything because I use Knull quite a lot .. I would normally never use him against Arcade especially now knowing he won't work.

    It was just a surprise .. I just expected him to be able to shut the auto block down. Now I know he won't.
    Yeah Attuma should work because Arcade reduces true accuracy AA and Attuma just converts that into an increase instead, that’s intended behavior. Mole-man, however, seems to be a case of order of operations; seems like his true accuracy triggers on fight start slightly before Arcade’s pre-fights come online so it doesn’t get shut off initially. If you lose the true accuracy you start with via entering frenzy or gaining too much mass, he doesn’t get it back once he returns to normal:

    No real way to say if Mole-man’s case is a bug since it’s not inherently clear from descriptions. Regardless other true accuracy effects do fail as they should (see examples with Proxima, Kate, and Bullseye), it’s just Medusa that’s clearly bugged.
    Should be. Just like domino applies her AAR a split second after fight start and you can prevent it with quake
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