In depth banquet post???

Sbkrueb

Weren't we supposed to get an in depth breakdown on the banquet from @kabam Crashed ??

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Friendly001

We’re already mid January, tired of hearing about banquet already.

FishSkin

Weren't we supposed to get an in depth breakdown on the banquet from @kabam Crashed ??

What are you hoping to get from it exactly?

Sbkrueb

Weren't we supposed to get an in depth breakdown on the banquet from @kabam Crashed ??
What are you hoping to get from it exactly?

Information.

DNA3000

Weren't we supposed to get an in depth breakdown on the banquet from @kabam Crashed ??
What are you hoping to get from it exactly?
Information.

I would recommend tempering your expectations there. If you expected some detailed quantitative analysis of the performance of the banquet, those kinds of numbers are generally considered sensitive and not for disclosure.

To put it another way, every Realm Event analysis post I make, and the banquet one in very particular, is written without any discussion with the developers before I post it. Reason being, if I accidentally ask the wrong question and a dev accidentally answers it, it could place the entire contents of the post under NDA.

Crashed is going to see all the data before saying anything about the banquet, but at best he's only going to be able to say generalities about it.

Kiptonade

There’s an interview on YouTube of crashed and vega from 2024 just change the dates in your head when he talks about banquet as the backlash and response is identical as it was in 2023

xLunatiXx

Weren't we supposed to get an in depth breakdown on the banquet from @kabam Crashed ??
What are you hoping to get from it exactly?
Information.
I would recommend tempering your expectations there. If you expected some detailed quantitative analysis of the performance of the banquet, those kinds of numbers are generally considered sensitive and not for disclosure.

To put it another way, every Realm Event analysis post I make, and the banquet one in very particular, is written without any discussion with the developers before I post it. Reason being, if I accidentally ask the wrong question and a dev accidentally answers it, it could place the entire contents of the post under NDA.

Crashed is going to see all the data before saying anything about the banquet, but at best he's only going to be able to say generalities about it.

Fair
Shouldn't take 10 days though.

obsidiman

Weren't we supposed to get an in depth breakdown on the banquet from @kabam Crashed ??

Try @Kabam Crashed. Might work better than...

DNA3000

Weren't we supposed to get an in depth breakdown on the banquet from @kabam Crashed ??
What are you hoping to get from it exactly?
Information.
I would recommend tempering your expectations there. If you expected some detailed quantitative analysis of the performance of the banquet, those kinds of numbers are generally considered sensitive and not for disclosure.

To put it another way, every Realm Event analysis post I make, and the banquet one in very particular, is written without any discussion with the developers before I post it. Reason being, if I accidentally ask the wrong question and a dev accidentally answers it, it could place the entire contents of the post under NDA.

Crashed is going to see all the data before saying anything about the banquet, but at best he's only going to be able to say generalities about it.
Fair
Shouldn't take 10 days though.

It is possible the fact that every time Crashed has made any comment at all about the banquet he's been called a liar, an incompetent, or a buffoon on the forums may be giving the people who ultimately approve what does and does not get released in public channels some pause.

We ask for candid communication from the devs, but we punish them for it every time. We play intellectually dishonest games with their wording. We try to back them into argumentative corners. We question their professionalism, their motives, and their competency. We basically say over and over again that their candid thoughts reflect poorly upon the game, the company, and the brand. And there are people who's jobs it is to make sure that does not happen, and candid communication is nowhere on their list of priorities.

EdisonLaw

Just a minute, someone will respond to you

Kabam Crashed

Hello. I still plan on posting something and have a few things roughed out. However, as I mentioned in another post this year I'm going to wait for the data analysis to make sure my understanding is correct. I believe we are getting the analysis Jan 31, then it will take me a week or two to read it and update my thoughts about the event, so don't expect anything before mid Feb.

Skunkcabbage

Hello. I still plan on posting something and have a few things roughed out. However, as I mentioned in another post this year I'm going to wait for the data analysis to make sure my understanding is correct. I believe we are getting the analysis Jan 31, then it will take me a week or two to read it and update my thoughts about the event, so don't expect anything before mid Feb.

Devil's advocate here: why don't you just make a post with a post mortem with all of the information that you know now?
Needing to use forensic data analysis mid -February is fine, for internal use, but that's likely too late for customers and the viable communication timing window has closed.

Respectfully,
Skunkcabbage

Kabam Crashed

Hello. I still plan on posting something and have a few things roughed out. However, as I mentioned in another post this year I'm going to wait for the data analysis to make sure my understanding is correct. I believe we are getting the analysis Jan 31, then it will take me a week or two to read it and update my thoughts about the event, so don't expect anything before mid Feb.
Devil's advocate here: why don't you just make a post with a post mortem with all of the information that you know now?
Needing to use forensic data analysis mid -February is fine, for internal use, but that's likely too late for customers and the viable communication timing window has closed.

Respectfully,
Skunkcabbage

I know the community is urgently looking forward to calling me a liar but nothing I have to say about it really impacts anything until 11 months from now. I'd rather do it correctly than do it quickly for no reason.

ahmynuts

Hello. I still plan on posting something and have a few things roughed out. However, as I mentioned in another post this year I'm going to wait for the data analysis to make sure my understanding is correct. I believe we are getting the analysis Jan 31, then it will take me a week or two to read it and update my thoughts about the event, so don't expect anything before mid Feb.
Devil's advocate here: why don't you just make a post with a post mortem with all of the information that you know now?
Needing to use forensic data analysis mid -February is fine, for internal use, but that's likely too late for customers and the viable communication timing window has closed.

Respectfully,
Skunkcabbage
I know the community is urgently looking forward to calling me a liar but nothing I have to say about it really impacts anything until 11 months from now. I'd rather do it correctly than do it quickly for no reason.

On the contrary I think most of the community looks forward to and genuinely wants to call all of you guys truthers because we all love the game and want you guys to succeed and us to have fun playing the game

Gamer

Hello. I still plan on posting something and have a few things roughed out. However, as I mentioned in another post this year I'm going to wait for the data analysis to make sure my understanding is correct. I believe we are getting the analysis Jan 31, then it will take me a week or two to read it and update my thoughts about the event, so don't expect anything before mid Feb.
Devil's advocate here: why don't you just make a post with a post mortem with all of the information that you know now?
Needing to use forensic data analysis mid -February is fine, for internal use, but that's likely too late for customers and the viable communication timing window has closed.

Respectfully,
Skunkcabbage
I know the community is urgently looking forward to calling me a liar but nothing I have to say about it really impacts anything until 11 months from now. I'd rather do it correctly than do it quickly for no reason.

I understand and we would be mad if you just said the same as last year or you so it was fine for you it all depends one you’re data to

Ortoun

Weren't we supposed to get an in depth breakdown on the banquet from @kabam Crashed ??
What are you hoping to get from it exactly?
Information.
I would recommend tempering your expectations there. If you expected some detailed quantitative analysis of the performance of the banquet, those kinds of numbers are generally considered sensitive and not for disclosure.

To put it another way, every Realm Event analysis post I make, and the banquet one in very particular, is written without any discussion with the developers before I post it. Reason being, if I accidentally ask the wrong question and a dev accidentally answers it, it could place the entire contents of the post under NDA.

Crashed is going to see all the data before saying anything about the banquet, but at best he's only going to be able to say generalities about it.
Fair
Shouldn't take 10 days though.
It is possible the fact that every time Crashed has made any comment at all about the banquet he's been called a liar, an incompetent, or a buffoon on the forums may be giving the people who ultimately approve what does and does not get released in public channels some pause.

We ask for candid communication from the devs, but we punish them for it every time. We play intellectually dishonest games with their wording. We try to back them into argumentative corners. We question their professionalism, their motives, and their competency. We basically say over and over again that their candid thoughts reflect poorly upon the game, the company, and the brand. And there are people who's jobs it is to make sure that does not happen, and candid communication is nowhere on their list of priorities.

My current biggest issue with it is that during the livestream crashed said the crystals would be amazing and have significantly less filler. Those were either lies or his opinion of amazing and filler are drastically different from everyone else playing the game. In my mind there is nothing amazing about t6cc fragments that you could buy an equivalent amount of from the rank up store for roughly 1/3 of the price of the crystal. I honestly do appreciate how responsive Crashed is when it comes to information and analysis of things, but at this point I just can't trust his judgment on what is good or not.

Kiptonade

Hello. I still plan on posting something and have a few things roughed out. However, as I mentioned in another post this year I'm going to wait for the data analysis to make sure my understanding is correct. I believe we are getting the analysis Jan 31, then it will take me a week or two to read it and update my thoughts about the event, so don't expect anything before mid Feb.
Devil's advocate here: why don't you just make a post with a post mortem with all of the information that you know now?
Needing to use forensic data analysis mid -February is fine, for internal use, but that's likely too late for customers and the viable communication timing window has closed.

Respectfully,
Skunkcabbage
I know the community is urgently looking forward to calling me a liar but nothing I have to say about it really impacts anything until 11 months from now. I'd rather do it correctly than do it quickly for no reason.

Respectfully, there isn’t anything you can say or do that will satisfy the player base. I’d personally rather have you focusing on your actual job than having to spend what sounds like a lengthy task doing data analysis and then writing up a post on the back of it it. For the majority of people to disagree and just drag out banquet gripes into February? Honestly my biggest annoyance was that it was so hyped up by you in the live stream that it just felt so flat when the crystals were so awful I just hope that for 2025 there are fresh ideas for either the banquet or a replacement event that feels like value for money.

Skunkcabbage

Hello. I still plan on posting something and have a few things roughed out. However, as I mentioned in another post this year I'm going to wait for the data analysis to make sure my understanding is correct. I believe we are getting the analysis Jan 31, then it will take me a week or two to read it and update my thoughts about the event, so don't expect anything before mid Feb.
Devil's advocate here: why don't you just make a post with a post mortem with all of the information that you know now?
Needing to use forensic data analysis mid -February is fine, for internal use, but that's likely too late for customers and the viable communication timing window has closed.

Respectfully,
Skunkcabbage
I know the community is urgently looking forward to calling me a liar but nothing I have to say about it really impacts anything until 11 months from now. I'd rather do it correctly than do it quickly for no reason.

I know a lot of the community respects you a great deal.
You conceded that you made an error with the composition of the SBCs, and totally owned that situation, which takes a great deal of courage.

I'd argue though, that information flow about the banquet event has a compounding impact daily, because players really want closure. The longer it doesn't happen the more it compounds.

For me personally, the Christmas day gift and then the 10 unit T3A/T6B totally made up for the gripes I had about those SBCs and the structure of the event, and I thank you for it, genuinely.

BringPopcorn

By February?!... Man by then people are going to be wondering more about how bad banquet 2025 will be, and not about how bad banquet 2024 was...

DarkNightRise

Cmon guys don’t push @KabamCrashed too much I don’t want to lose another CMs.

xLunatiXx

Hello. I still plan on posting something and have a few things roughed out. However, as I mentioned in another post this year I'm going to wait for the data analysis to make sure my understanding is correct. I believe we are getting the analysis Jan 31, then it will take me a week or two to read it and update my thoughts about the event, so don't expect anything before mid Feb.

Mid Feb, players feedback data should be fully taken into account by then, not only the actual "data".

BigBlueOx

Hello. I still plan on posting something and have a few things roughed out. However, as I mentioned in another post this year I'm going to wait for the data analysis to make sure my understanding is correct. I believe we are getting the analysis Jan 31, then it will take me a week or two to read it and update my thoughts about the event, so don't expect anything before mid Feb.
Devil's advocate here: why don't you just make a post with a post mortem with all of the information that you know now?
Needing to use forensic data analysis mid -February is fine, for internal use, but that's likely too late for customers and the viable communication timing window has closed.

Respectfully,
Skunkcabbage
I know the community is urgently looking forward to calling me a liar but nothing I have to say about it really impacts anything until 11 months from now. I'd rather do it correctly than do it quickly for no reason.

Hi Crashed,

I don’t think anybody wants to call you a liar at all. I’m sure the Grand Banquet interactions is gonna leave plenty of ruffled feathers on both sides but I can’t see anybody who wants to take the time to provide feedback in good faith is looking to dunk on you in such a way. At least I hope not.

I do feel that the Livestream set a level of expectation that in hindsight we’re never going to be met well, and there was conflicting communications from my perspective about rewards budgets and the realm event because for Valiant Players ranging from FTP to $500 of spending… if the realm event was truly on top of the total rewards then that segment of players truly was under allocated for.

Either due concerns about the whaliest whales or lower progression this segment of the player base was not well budgeted for and had to rely on the realm event to get our units worth. Sure things worked out and we eventually did, but it doesn’t feel good being told that the realm events are on top of the event when they really weren’t for this cross section of players. Then the realty sets in that end game reward budget goes to everyone and that’s why the progression tuned crystals felt worse than ever… it just ruined the RNG fun elements of the event while devaluing progression for your most dedicated player base.

Thanks though appreciate you answering the when to look out for your analysis. But yesh, not looking to call anyone a liar.

Ox

Toproller89

Just let it go already, and look forward to the next one

SandeepS

I think the summary is:
- feedback by end of Feb
- no compensation for 2024 which is what the community was expecting
- any changes made will be seen in 2025 (maybe in a superior banquet event)

BringPopcorn

I think the summary is:
- feedback by end of Feb
- no compensation for 2024 which is what the community was expecting
- any changes made will be seen in 2025 (maybe in a superior banquet event)

People weren't expecting compensation, or at least not most of us.. you are a person not people...

SandeepS

I think the summary is:
- feedback by end of Feb
- no compensation for 2024 which is what the community was expecting
- any changes made will be seen in 2025 (maybe in a superior banquet event)
People weren't expecting compensation, or at least not most of us.. you are a person not people...

I'm not expecting compensation, I opened very few crystals, enough for the she hulk piece. For me the event wasn't worth it otherwise so I didn't go further.

startropics

Hello. I still plan on posting something and have a few things roughed out. However, as I mentioned in another post this year I'm going to wait for the data analysis to make sure my understanding is correct. I believe we are getting the analysis Jan 31, then it will take me a week or two to read it and update my thoughts about the event, so don't expect anything before mid Feb.

i thought the rewards as a whole were pretty good which a lot of players seem to ignore.

without giving away too much of the inner working of the business, is it possible in your write-up to explain in layman's terms the consequences of buffing the SBC the way the community wanted and maybe gives a few examples?

hopefully it can change a few minds.

FishSkin

Weren't we supposed to get an in depth breakdown on the banquet from @kabam Crashed ??
What are you hoping to get from it exactly?
Information.

That is incredibly vague.

So are you going to be happy if you get something along the lines of…

1. The banquet happened
2. Units were spent
3. Crystals were opened
4. Some people were sad
5. Some people were happy
6. Some people didn’t care
7. This is information

The problem with vague requests or expectations is you’re likely to get vague responses, or not what you were particularly looking for.