Help me understand the new sigil subscription... NERFS..., A YEAR WORTH OF PAYMENT FOR ITEMS...?

Soo we only get 60 credits per month right? If we buy it from the web store it's 75 a month. There are 7 star, 7 star nexus, 7 star titan crystals that we can buy with credits and they have a weekly reset timer. 7 star titan costs 700 credits...

Let's say I want to go for a titan crystal and I'm starting from 0 credit and buying it in game not from the web store. IS IT 12 MONTHS OF PAYMENTS TO GET A SINGLE TITAN THAT HAS A 7 DAY RESET TIMER? Am I missing something here like wtf is going on? and going for the titan, I almost can't even buy anything with the said credits...

They even nerfed the store like, we used to get 5 sigil potions a month for other potions as the cost, now costs credit... boosts cost credit now and we could use to get them with gold, come ooon...

Who in the rigth mind though this was a good idea??

Please tell me if I'm missing something like are there other ways to get credits without paying more?

Comments

DonaQxota1

To be fair, it was 12 Credit per week before, and 48 per month so it is an improve!

Zacharias10719

Some things are better and some are worse. The sigil potions and boosts now costing credits are huge Ls I agree that didn't really need to happen. However the carb and stoney mastery cores no longer costing units is great for people still needing to flesh out their masteries. The sig stone trade in is a decent addition too. But as with everything lately, kabam never seem to find the right balance

Onurre2

If this store was a great upgrade, I wouldn't mind getting 30 or 10 credits a month. BUT this store is basically a downgrade. We were promised an upgrade with better rewards but as a valiant player who spends this is just garbage.

They are only trying to sell this for the refined xp and nothing else. TBH I don't even care about the refined xp. On the live stream they said almost 2 months per level. Spending almost 2 years to reach the max level which doesn't even have great things in itself is meaningless.

I think kabam and all of us lost our understanding of time. A whole year of spending for a single titan... Almost 2 years of grinding for the level cap... Time isn't that cheap guys this is just a game...

Like I said the store is a downgrade. Boosts and potions are locked behind credits... Even the deal for a 7 star crystal for 150.000 6 star shards is insane. As a player who almost have every 6 star character, when I think about the iso and max sig level crsytals that I'll be missing, this offer looks really bad. If it was 100.000 6 crystals maybe but 150.000 is basically too much.

I won't buy the sigil again because the only thing in there is refined xp and I don't care, it will still take like almost 2 years to reach max level, so why bother?

Zacharias10719

How is one 7* crystal for 150k shards too much? It's 15 6* crystals, or 4175 7* shards essentially. Even if you had every 6* champ at max sig it's still only a 8250 7* shards trade in. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

BringPopcorn

Its not too much, problem is it should have been broken down to 10k 6* shards for 1k 7* shards. There will be months where you are paying for a subscription to just stare at items you can't buy yet.

N8buckeye08

That’s a lot of ISO to miss out on and building towards max sig on more 6 stars. I think the approach the old sigil had for exchanging 5-star for 6-stars shards weekly was probably closer to what should have been done. Trade in 15,000 6-stars shards for 5,500 7-star shards. 7-star shards aren’t that valuable as a valiant, they’re already giving us about that much weekly in the Super Daily Event for free.

Zacharias10719

7* shards aren't that valuable? Yeah, you're right. I've stopped opening 7* crystals completely now and am hoarding until 8* come along.

So you want to trade five 6* crystals for one 7*. That isn't reasonable and if that's your floor for what can be constituted a good deal then it doesn't really matter what kabam offer as it will never be good enough under those expectations.

Zacharias10719

This is fair enough but even then, the old shard trade in was weekly and this new one is monthly so it's essentially the same system just repackaged in a different format.

BringPopcorn

Its really not, not sure how many 6* shards are available monthly, but if you can't get 150k every month, you just wasted 1 feature of a sigil for a month

Onurre2

Like I said, iso and max sig crystals lost for a single 7 star is not worth it for an advanced valiant player. It also doesn't look like you can get it every month. Didn't do the math but getting 150k 6 star shards a month doesn't look easy to do if you don't spend BG tokens on them and why would you spend BG tokens on 6 star shards just to get a 7 star, just buy the 7 star shards instead. As an almost day 1 valiant player, I'm only focused on r2 and r3 7 stars. That requires a lot of iso, gold and materials. Trading 15 6 stars... think about the iso. Also even though it is a very very very low chance by doing this you are missing out on the super duper rare iron fist. I'd rather have 0.000000000000000001% chance on that iron fist instead of a 7 star I probably wouldn't even care about. Lower acounts may consider this as a great deal but if you have a low account you should focus on your 6 star hercs, dooms, ghosts instead of a 7 star. Trading 15 6 stars for a 7 star doesn't make sense whatever your progress is. This is my opinion. You can try to get that deal for a year by paying every month and update us if you could get it every month or not.

Twist1298

There was supposed to be a Exclusive Solo Event that gave extra credits each week but I think they may have chosen to scrap it in favor of just the weekly bundle to stretch out the breadcrumbs

Zacharias10719

If number of shards attainable per month is the limiting factor then the issue of not being able to utilise the trade in all the time will be the same whether its weekly or monthly tbf.

But one thing I didn't think of is that a weekly shard trade in for shards gives you the option of topping up your existing 7* shard count to get you to your next crystal. So yeah. It probably should be weekly for shards

BringPopcorn

That's why it should have been a segmented shard trade, and not a full crystal. Its more convenient for players buying a subscription to top off shards they earn thru content and gain a crystal as they go than having to trade 150k for 1 crystal.
Its better for a player to trade 90k on one month, 60k on the other than 150k on 1 month and be empty handed the next while paying the same subscription.

BringPopcorn

Dude I think its the 3rd or 4th time you post this screenshot, and a few people told you that's the description of the old sigil...

Zacharias10719

I could get that deal for the next 4 months just from the shards I already have. After that who knows but not everything is meant to be attainable all the time. But for convenience it should be a weekly shard for shard trade in that you can dip in and out when you need to get to your next crystal.

Onurre2

Of course just shard would be much better but still if we are paying for these items, we should be able get them all if we want to, not just if we need to. We are paying to open this shop and if the weekly or monthly items in that shop are not getable then you are just wasting your money. We shouldn't just think of this as a way to get to 15k from 13k 7 star shards. We should be able to get them all easily because we are paying for it.

Like traders outpost you can not get every single item from traders outpost but is it ok? Of course it is because it is an open shop and you don't have to pay to open that shop. We are paying to open black iso market, if we don't have enough time a get all the items from that shop that we want, then what is it point of that or of a monthly sub?

Zacharias10719

But the store isn't the only reason to buy the sigil. Sigil is a package deal that comes with more units per month than you'd get from buying the equivalent priced unit deal aswell a bunch of free consumables every week. The new store isn't great but it is an improvement overall on the old one... Just about lol.

It also has arena express which is the single biggest thing in the whole thing for me anyway, and for anyone who does serious arena unit grinding I would think. That alone will keep me subscribed because as someone that trys to grind all available unit milestones in all the arenas trying to do it without express is just not it.

BringPopcorn

You are overlooking the big elephant in the room, the overhaul of this sigil is lazy. It was designed on what the price of a Titan crystal or 7* crystal are as of right now. Titan being around 100 bucks (10 months) and 7* around 30+ (4 months).
It hasn't been designed about being a perk, a premium service other than arena express and storage expension. At 10 months per titan people can't even target a pool they desire. There is at least 2 if not 3 pool updates by the time you can get one.

Onurre2

Exactly my point posting this post. Again I'm gonna copy and paste the same thing I said above

"I think kabam and all of us lost our understanding of time. A whole year of spending for a single titan... Almost 2 years of grinding for the level cap... Time isn't that cheap guys this is just a game..."

On top of this ungetable items from the store, items that used to cost gold and potions now has a credit cost. Yeah wow what a deal. 375 units per month wow I can open a single featured crystal thanks kabam.

In terms of arena it is great to go through it fast. But mostly low spenders or ftp players grind arena that much. Arena feature should not be behind a paywall from the begining. Like instead of saying it should be free, you are supporting it should be 120$ per year... It should've been free this whole time.

DNA3000

There’s a pretty good chance I could get that offer for a year if I wanted to given my rate of shard acquisition.

The reason I even have that stockpile is I have virtually all the 6* champs, such that I only open featured to fill in gaps, I have plenty of gold and ISO and have no need to open 6* crystals for that purpose, and I already have IIF.

Most of the 6s I use regularly that need it are at max sig, so barring the rare new pull 6* crystals’ primary benefit to me is 7* shards from duplication and max sig crystals. So for me the choice is save them up and periodically splurge on featureds or trade for the 7, and that makes the 7 look fairly attractive right now.

I will say I am not a fan of many of the changes to the shard trade ups. I don’t know why they got rid of the 6* featured trade, I don’t know why they made the overall shard trades more “chunky” and in some situations aggressive more costly. But if any trade is an opportunity improvement it’s the 7* trade. It’s not for everyone, and most won’t be able to sustain it continuously (nor should people have to do that for it to be a valid trade) but it is a decent value trade.

Another thing I’m not a fan of: the habit of people speaking for or thinking they in any way represent most or all players. I’m an above average (in roster) Valiant, and I know Valiants far stronger than I am that think the trade is at least worth considering, for similar reasons as me (the lack of value from 6* crystals in general). For someone who claims to know what “advanced Valiants” want you seem to be strongly overvaluing the currency we’re being asked to spend. I think a lot of higher Valiant Sigil subscribers are not going to choose to use that trade for a variety of reasons, but I would bet many will.

For me personally, at 100k it would be an instant no-brainer trade. I would do it without thinking. At 200k, I would avoid the trade entirely. 150k happens to land in the grey area where I have to think about it, but will probably end up doing it. Coincidentally, the trade probably lands right at the decision point for me.

Zacharias10719

It 100% should be a free feature, but it isn't and I'm not gonna gimp myself in arena for the sake of €10 a month to be principled about it

Pseudouber

It makes no sense. its so bad now.

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