Victory track is a little more than a skill issue.

The past 6 or so seasons I’ve made it into gladiators circuit within 2 weeks with little to no effort. So you can imagine my surprise when bgs is almost over and I am still in vibranium. Now I’m not MSD but I’m certainly good at this game especially when it comes to battlegrounds. I just poured 2 hours and 30 minutes into playing battlegrounds and I started playing today in vibranium 3, you know where I am at the end of that 2 hours and 30 minutes. STILL IN VIBRANIUM 3. And it’s not like I’m 1 game away, I have 1 MEDAL. There seriously is something wrong with the way the AI works in this game, but even more so the META that Kabam chose for this season. I was up against a kindred and I was using onslaught, I did a heavy attack and he blocked it. (He didnt have a resist buff) he just blocked both hits somehow. ALSO, why is it only SCIENCE and deathless champions that we can use. There are 300 CHAMPS in the game and this meta has shrunk the useful ones down to a handful. Most players are struggling to rank up because instead of battlegrounds being a test of skill and strategic thinking, it’s just become a test of RNG and just praying you get the 6 champs in your deck that work well with the node. The meta just isn’t fair for anyone even those with MASSIVE decks. Y’all gotta give some sort of compensation for this miserable excuse of a bgs season. 0 fun whatsoever.

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ahmynuts

Skill issue

Morgx

Skill issue

Do you understand the term ‘skill issue’. It would only be a ‘skill issue’ if there were no external sources impacting gameplay. Since THERE IS for example the extremely rng based meta it’s a little more than just a skill issue isn’t it. Even if it was a skill issue, I’m still 1000% certain that anyone after playing for almost 3 hours would rank up, but between the horrible meta and horrible AI it’s made bgs almost insufferable. Anyone who disagrees simply doesn’t play it enough

ahmynuts

Skill issue
Do you understand the term ‘skill issue’. It would only be a ‘skill issue’ if there were no external sources impacting gameplay. Since THERE IS for example the extremely rng based meta it’s a little more than just a skill issue isn’t it. Even if it was a skill issue, I’m still 1000% certain that anyone after playing for almost 3 hours would rank up, but between the horrible meta and horrible AI it’s made bgs almost insufferable. Anyone who disagrees simply doesn’t play it enough

Skill issue

Phantøm_Echø

So it's not a skill issue that you aren't adaptive enough to this meta? Literally any decay character makes any of the nodes a joke, or playing more conservatively with any character that has one of those immunities. I just don't think you properly understand the intricacies of the meta and are trying to brute force through it with your roster.

Aleor

You're right in the title, it's more than skill. It also heavily depends on your roster and on match up system they have. And that's about it. Whatever ai issue you have, your opponent has the same (except some cheaters, but I don't think there are many)

TP33

Yeah I mean this meta was rough, if you just place non tactic defenders your opponent is pretty cooked for most fights cause decay doesn’t work. As someone who didn’t have loads of incinerate/poison immune champs going into the meta (and isn’t a whale who can just R2/3 multiple champions just for 1 BG meta) i kinda decided it was a bust from the off. Kinda sucks but I’m sure we’ll be back with the next one soon enough.

Mixtapevol02

Skill issue
Do you understand the term ‘skill issue’. It would only be a ‘skill issue’ if there were no external sources impacting gameplay. Since THERE IS for example the extremely rng based meta it’s a little more than just a skill issue isn’t it. Even if it was a skill issue, I’m still 1000% certain that anyone after playing for almost 3 hours would rank up, but between the horrible meta and horrible AI it’s made bgs almost insufferable. Anyone who disagrees simply doesn’t play it enough

Do you understand when you say “I’m certainly good at this game especially when it comes to battlegrounds”?

Feuerschwer

Here’s the thing if the meta were entirely RNG, your win rate would be a coinflip, 50%, and you would progress eventually. The issue here is you don’t have a broad enough roster of champions that can handle the nodes, so you’re going in with not enough offensive picks in your deck.

BringPopcorn

Skill issue
Do you understand the term ‘skill issue’. It would only be a ‘skill issue’ if there were no external sources impacting gameplay. Since THERE IS for example the extremely rng based meta it’s a little more than just a skill issue isn’t it. Even if it was a skill issue, I’m still 1000% certain that anyone after playing for almost 3 hours would rank up, but between the horrible meta and horrible AI it’s made bgs almost insufferable. Anyone who disagrees simply doesn’t play it enough
Do you understand when you say “I’m certainly good at this game especially when it comes to battlegrounds”?

Well rank up more meta champs or something cause it doesn't matter how good you are you will burn or get poisoned to death.
And why does it matter if they are "science"?...

DNA3000

The past 6 or so seasons I’ve made it into gladiators circuit within 2 weeks with little to no effort. So you can imagine my surprise when bgs is almost over and I am still in vibranium. Now I’m not MSD but I’m certainly good at this game especially when it comes to battlegrounds. I just poured 2 hours and 30 minutes into playing battlegrounds and I started playing today in vibranium 3, you know where I am at the end of that 2 hours and 30 minutes. STILL IN VIBRANIUM 3. And it’s not like I’m 1 game away, I have 1 MEDAL. There seriously is something wrong with the way the AI works in this game, but even more so the META that Kabam chose for this season. I was up against a kindred and I was using onslaught, I did a heavy attack and he blocked it. (He didnt have a resist buff) he just blocked both hits somehow. ALSO, why is it only SCIENCE and deathless champions that we can use. There are 300 CHAMPS in the game and this meta has shrunk the useful ones down to a handful. Most players are struggling to rank up because instead of battlegrounds being a test of skill and strategic thinking, it’s just become a test of RNG and just praying you get the 6 champs in your deck that work well with the node. The meta just isn’t fair for anyone even those with MASSIVE decks. Y’all gotta give some sort of compensation for this miserable excuse of a bgs season. 0 fun whatsoever.

Yeah, so a couple things.

1. There's still almost two weeks to go in the current Battlegrounds season. You would still expect to see a lot of very strong players still in Vibranium at this stage, because it is barely halfway through. Not "almost over" as you describe it.

2. Both the AI and the meta nodes affect everyone playing in the Victory track,

3. If the VT was dominated by RNG, such that skill was largely removed from the competition, then on average everyone would win and lose about half the time. Since you gain two medals for winning a match and lose one when you lose a match, even if BGs was purely a coin toss everyone would still progress by an average of one medal every two matches. Two and a half hours should amount to at least fifteen matches and thus an average of seven or eight medals, which would promote a player by about one and a half tracks.

You can only stay in the same place if you're losing 2/3rds of your matches, which implies someone else is winning more than half of their matches. Your matches promoted someone, it just wasn't you. In the current version of BGs since Season 19, it is impossible for everyone to have trouble promoting, because every match nets a medal.

You seem to be under the extremely weird impression that it is possible that most players in VT are losing. Since short of an absolute tie, every match has a winner and a loser that is actually impossible. And since you gain more medals for winning than you lose when losing, every match is a net positive for the VT players overall. We can't all be losing, and we can't all be stuck. In point of fact, the average strength players in each tier promotes slowly, the stronger players promote quickly, and the below average players promote very slowly. The far below average players stall out, at least until similar strength players catch up to them.

JhonST33

The past 6 or so seasons I’ve made it into gladiators circuit within 2 weeks with little to no effort. So you can imagine my surprise when bgs is almost over and I am still in vibranium. Now I’m not MSD but I’m certainly good at this game especially when it comes to battlegrounds. I just poured 2 hours and 30 minutes into playing battlegrounds and I started playing today in vibranium 3, you know where I am at the end of that 2 hours and 30 minutes. STILL IN VIBRANIUM 3. And it’s not like I’m 1 game away, I have 1 MEDAL. There seriously is something wrong with the way the AI works in this game, but even more so the META that Kabam chose for this season. I was up against a kindred and I was using onslaught, I did a heavy attack and he blocked it. (He didnt have a resist buff) he just blocked both hits somehow. ALSO, why is it only SCIENCE and deathless champions that we can use. There are 300 CHAMPS in the game and this meta has shrunk the useful ones down to a handful. Most players are struggling to rank up because instead of battlegrounds being a test of skill and strategic thinking, it’s just become a test of RNG and just praying you get the 6 champs in your deck that work well with the node. The meta just isn’t fair for anyone even those with MASSIVE decks. Y’all gotta give some sort of compensation for this miserable excuse of a bgs season. 0 fun whatsoever.

You should separate the paragraphs, this kind of writes are boring to read, at least for me.

Skill issue
Do you understand the term ‘skill issue’. It would only be a ‘skill issue’ if there were no external sources impacting gameplay. Since THERE IS for example the extremely rng based meta it’s a little more than just a skill issue isn’t it. Even if it was a skill issue, I’m still 1000% certain that anyone after playing for almost 3 hours would rank up, but between the horrible meta and horrible AI it’s made bgs almost insufferable. Anyone who disagrees simply doesn’t play it enough
Skill issue

Look at this, it's perfect, it's simple, it is the best comment I have read in a long time.

BringPopcorn

It's like OP is blaming Kabam for having a short roster for the meta.
You can be the best chef in the world; but if all you have is rice, you are not gonna make a Michelin star dish. You are going to make rice.

TotemCorruption

Not a decay attacker, no poison immunity, no incinerate, you can still get it done.
Making excuses about AI or nodes or rosters only prevents you from adapting and improving.

Wicket329

OP, post your deck and your roster. Consider a “hey, I’m struggling to progress in BGs, can y’all help me with this meta?” post instead of what you’re doing.

This game has an incredible amount of moving parts. Even the best and most insightful players will miss things from time to time. Your first thought should always be “what am I missing,” not “it is the game that is wrong.” Sometimes it will be the game! But usually, it’s user error. And talking it out will help you sift through which it is.

BringPopcorn

You can feel the temperature rising as you read the post from cold, warm to blowing up a valve lol.

2trill2lose

I got one for yall

Explain how this happens

2trill2lose

Tell me about it

PT_99

I don't even like BG these days, scuffed rewards
But I'm reluctantly playing for BG shop tokens from objectives every 2 days and now I'm already in uru and chilling.

So yes it's skill issue.

PT_99

I got one for yall
Explain how this happens

Herc just never disappoints fr 💯🎉

BringPopcorn

Te
Tell me about it

He scored more points?... Not sure how that is difficult to understand.
If you are talking about the 0.0% he could have had 1 hp left after immortality and it would show as a 0.0% but not KO

FeydRautha

It has never been just about skills. Roster, strategy(also a part of skill) and good rng play significant role in determining the winner. It sucks when your opponent gets to pick everything they need while you don't. But that is also an aspect of the game that you have to play around. If you can't then take the L and hope you can do better in the next matches. I always study the matches that I lose to try and understand where I went wrong, what factors were in play that cost me the match and whether those factors were in my control.

Wicket329

I got one for yall
Explain how this happens

It happens easily. Idk what you aren’t seeing about that being a bad matchup, Skull is nullify immune.

Abspain101

I got one for yall
Explain how this happens

Its obvious herc was immortal it shows he has no health cause his health doesnt register a percentage when he is immortal

SirGamesBond

Te
Tell me about it
He scored more points?... Not sure how that is difficult to understand.
If you are talking about the 0.0% he could have had 1 hp left after immortality and it would show as a 0.0% but not KO

I'm surprised you had to explain it. I was wondering what's the issue in the image.
It's skill issue + ignorance

Gamer

I got one for yall
Explain how this happens
It happens easily. Idk what you aren’t seeing about that being a bad matchup, Skull is nullify immune.

Just sp2 for the soual bord esay just don’t hit in the posion face with kushale

A_Fungi

I don’t see how this isn’t a skill issue.

Everyone that plays BGs is dealing with the same variables at roughly the same scale.

I think your problem is that you played too long and got frustrated which made you play rashly.

I literally only do the every other day objectives and made it to GC.

Are you actually swapping out your deck to match the meta? It’s not always your standard 30 champs that are best, I leave R3s out of my deck for champs that meet the meta.

ToniXD_16

Skill issue

Furrymoosen

I won't jump on the skill issue bandwagon (though it is part of your issue), but I'll start the knowledge issue one.

The meta isn't limited to science champs. There are both science and cosmic champs available on the attack side (plus a couple others), and it's a pool of about 40 of them. Your deck is capped at 30. Since you need a mix of defenders and attackers, you don't really need more than 10-15 from that pool. Since there is flexibility with some champs that have immunities or resistances, like Onslaught who you were using, that shrinks what you need from that pool a bit more as long you're careful in understanding the nodes.
Your understanding of how many champs are useful for the meta is way off, which is where a lot of the skill issue is coming from. Dozens, if not over 100, champs have single immunities and can be effective in the meta if you use skill and knowledge to adjust your playstyle as needed for the champ you're using and the champ you're fighting.
Yes, the meta does limit the champ pool - like pretty much every other meta, just differently. It forces you to diversify your roster and learn how to use other champs, as well as learn how some interactions change based on node sets.

The next knowledge issue is your understanding of masteries. Stand Your Ground gives a 17-50% chance to resist a block break from heavy attacks. Champions don't need a "resist buff" to take a heavy to the face without it breaking their block. Most players have this mastery equipped, especially where PVP combat is involved.

"Most" players are not struggling to rank. Half the players are ranking fairly easily, 25% of players are ranking at a slower but steady pace, and the other 25% are a mix of players are 1 step forwards, 2 steps back, or just making life easier for everyone else. With the way the mode is setup, 75% of players are always progressing toward the circuit. But sure, "most" players aren't progressing at all and are in the same spot you're in.

Final knowledge issue - you don't seem to realize that everyone is in the same meta and that everyone you're losing to is winning. I'm in V4 right now, having hardly played much so far, and have only lost two fights all season. Not two matches, just two fights. As you get further up, the better players start to concentrate, but it eventually eases up. But everyone is playing the same game, and it seems that quite a few are playing it better than you because they are either better skilled or have better knowledge. There's a reason you're losing most of your matches and it isn't because of the meta. Now, if you're losing where you have 5k points and your opponent has 7k, it's consistent, and everyone is having the same issue, then sure, let's talk meta. But I'd be willing to bet a bit of cash that you're losing to players putting up some solid fights. All of this really just seems like you're good against the small accounts with worse rosters, but as soon as a decent opponent comes up it couldn't possibly be that you're just not good enough to beat them.

dr2ws

Thought I’d show this, neither of the attackers here are inc/poison immune. Keep in mind I had a sig 200 r5 ascended defender in Serpent.

You have to believe you can do it!

(ps don’t judge the stat focus’s I haven’t had time to changing em)

Morgx

To everyone saying i need a larger roster THANK YOU for proving my point. I have 8 rank 3s and over 15 r2s along with 18 r5 ascended champions, BUT even though the decay tactic does include a couple champions it’s nearly IMPOSSIBLE for a ftp player to have all of them. I’ve got about 6 decay champs on my deck and 5 other champs that work with the nodes due to immunities. BUT this proves my point that it’s more than just a skill issue because I have to rank up champs I wouldn’t have taken up otherwise. It’s always been a battle of rosters but this meta is kinda taking that too far.