Wrong Sig Stones in Incursions

https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/Thanos-Reigns-Incursions

Here it says there are 10 saga sig Stones in Room 15 but instead i received 10 more deathless ones and these are way less valuable than saga sigstones would be.

Comments

Penzito

1. Sorry for the Confusion
2. Here are 10 sigs in the mailbox.
3. Done

MasterAKUMA

The separate wording is confusing here, for sure.
The Sig Stones were always intended to be Deathless throughout the content.

I'll poke this again to make sure, but it's looking like it's an unfortunate wording error - apologies about that.
We're kinda past "unfortunate error" anymore. The success rate of bugged content and failed communications is around 90% right now. It's careless.
I can assure you, it's nowhere even close to 90% - this game is absolutely enormous.
Unfortunately, accidents are going to happen - especially wording errors in comms when items can be referred to in multiple names.

Our standard is still for there to be no errors throughout the game, and for nothing to go wrong.
Please just stop any misleading wordplay. It is not just a matter of wording errors.

What's the f point you guys need to use two different "terms" to describe one item? We all know what the f the deathless sig stone looks like because the name of that item is DEATHLESS SIG STONE.

I'll happily shed some light here, if you're interested.
Saga Signature Stones are present in each Saga - under the Saga Sig Stone bucket lies multiple different variations of Saga Signature Stones... one of them being: Deathless Saga Sig Stones.

The folks tuning the events aren't the same people writing the Comms, due to this, wording occasionally gets crossed. Nothing done here is "intentionally" misleading.

Appreciate your reply. But I just want to say that current SAGA design is terrible and confusing, such as the so-called "Deathless Saga" and the regular "Saga".

Currently, a lot of champs 1. have that saga icon on the left of their profile in the game, and 2. have that #Saga Champion tag. Those champs should have some item privileges like others in the past seasons, but they don't have any as the Deathless-5 by far.

So if it says SAGA SIG STONE, everyone would believe it is for all #Saga Champions tagged ones more than those 5. We are just disappointed by the difference between pre-description and fact.

TadzioToster

So if u disappointed dont play it. It was known long time ago that this is deathless saga and how many sig stones will be in this quest. Cant stand when people **** about everything but dont know **** what we will get in upcoming quests…. But yes this game is a big bug. Intercept are horrible and all free rewards are f trash. Aq is a joke aw half a joke bg little joke

Theretic

The separate wording is confusing here, for sure.
The Sig Stones were always intended to be Deathless throughout the content.

I'll poke this again to make sure, but it's looking like it's an unfortunate wording error - apologies about that.
We're kinda past "unfortunate error" anymore. The success rate of bugged content and failed communications is around 90% right now. It's careless.
I can assure you, it's nowhere even close to 90% - this game is absolutely enormous.
Unfortunately, accidents are going to happen - especially wording errors in comms when items can be referred to in multiple names.

Our standard is still for there to be no errors throughout the game, and for nothing to go wrong.

If that’s your standard then I think you should go around the development team and remind them,

In my opinion this sort of thing is either right along the standards set over the last year or maybe even exceeds them sadly

Capn_Dante

TikkaMasala

I’m usually one to call out Kabam for poor communication, but it does seem like this is a simple typographical error. I think all would greatly prefer the general Saga stones to deathless sig stones, but this event is clearly “deathless” focused and I think this is a simple mistake. Don’t think there’s any intentional misdirection here.

GroundedWisdom

I think everyone just needs to take a breath and step back.

Herbal_Taxman

I don’t think anyone (well, most of us at least) thinks there’s something intentional going on. But I also think it’s more than a simple typo. I don’t think they have a very good handle on sagas, metas, champ pools, tags, calendars, etc and how all that stuff fits together from a player experience perspective. I’m sure it’s very clear to the devs, but it’s not for the players. This weird idea of only giving sig stones for a super
limited group out of the larger saga pool is just odd. Doesn’t seem well thought out.

I don’t have Osaurus’ original comment in front of me so I don’t want to misquote them. But the intimation that the team running the event and the team doing the comms don’t communicate much (or enough) is a likely sign of too much work and too few people.

Kloppholz_123

1. Sorry for the Confusion
2. Here are 10 sigs in the mailbox.
3. Done

First of all: that would be too easy. Kabam isnt interested in making the Player base happy. U can clearly hear their arrogance in especially karatemikes responses. Second: they are saying its „only“ a typo. So why should they Hand out compensation for what - in their heads - its only a Small error. But i dont believe this typo thing. Its more like they messed up again (incursions late, pbb nerf - now they Are bugged and Even worse for players, intercepts/ Hit boxes are completly messed up - which is also only Bad for Players) and now they want us to believe its only a typo. A typo would be if there are only one Type of sigstones mentioned in the rewards Page and the Team called them saga sig stones instead of deathless. It isnt a typo by Definition when u are putting out two different types of sigstones in the rewards. But yh, everyone can think for themselves. But its - at least for me - obvious that they messed up again but this typo thing is an easy and welcomed excuse.

DarthTaul

@Shock29 @TotemCorruption you both get a gold star for this respectful interaction.

Is that a Saga Gold Star or Deathless Gold Star? Or a Deathless Saga Gold Star lol?

Samanun

The separate wording is confusing here, for sure.
The Sig Stones were always intended to be Deathless throughout the content.

I'll poke this again to make sure, but it's looking like it's an unfortunate wording error - apologies about that.
We're kinda past "unfortunate error" anymore. The success rate of bugged content and failed communications is around 90% right now. It's careless.
I can assure you, it's nowhere even close to 90% - this game is absolutely enormous.
Unfortunately, accidents are going to happen - especially wording errors in comms when items can be referred to in multiple names.

Our standard is still for there to be no errors throughout the game, and for nothing to go wrong.
Please just stop any misleading wordplay. It is not just a matter of wording errors.

What's the f point you guys need to use two different "terms" to describe one item? We all know what the f the deathless sig stone looks like because the name of that item is DEATHLESS SIG STONE.

I'll happily shed some light here, if you're interested.
Saga Signature Stones are present in each Saga - under the Saga Sig Stone bucket lies multiple different variations of Saga Signature Stones... one of them being: Deathless Saga Sig Stones.

The folks tuning the events aren't the same people writing the Comms, due to this, wording occasionally gets crossed. Nothing done here is "intentionally" misleading.

So it got pushed out without being double checked by anyone?

FrostGiantLord

If Deathless sigs are just Saga sigs, then why not just call them that? Just seems like misdirection to me

benshb

There is one extremely simple fix for this issue: 1 on 1 converter of deathless sigs to saga sigs. Easy as peasy and the lemon squeezy.

willrun4adonut

There is one extremely simple fix for this issue: 1 on 1 converter of deathless sigs to saga sigs. Easy as peasy and the lemon squeezy.

Except then people who already used them would complain that they didn't get that chance, plus the people who have the 100+ deathless sig stones from other sources.

Cuber2906

so even tho lets say the deathless sig stone were meant to be a part of the incursions, so that means this is the first saga where there are no saga sig stone ( by that i mean the ones that can be used for all saga champs not only 5)
right?

Polygon

Could just give people 5 or 10 saga sig stones in the mail for the miscommunication and call it a day

Kloppholz_123

so even tho lets say the deathless sig stone were meant to be a part of the incursions, so that means this is the first saga where there are no saga sig stone ( by that i mean the ones that can be used for all saga champs not only 5)
right?

Thats another Point of not making the Player base happy. There are so many saga champs who would benefit more from sigs and the people who want to use them on the deathless champs are also able to do that. It could be THAT simple.

benshb

There is one extremely simple fix for this issue: 1 on 1 converter of deathless sigs to saga sigs. Easy as peasy and the lemon squeezy.
Except then people who already used them would complain that they didn't get that chance, plus the people who have the 100+ deathless sig stones from other sources.

If people already used them, then they had use for it. There are several player, who already have their deathless champs on max sig. For them 2 reward from this month is already useless.

willrun4adonut

There is one extremely simple fix for this issue: 1 on 1 converter of deathless sigs to saga sigs. Easy as peasy and the lemon squeezy.
Except then people who already used them would complain that they didn't get that chance, plus the people who have the 100+ deathless sig stones from other sources.
If people already used them, then they had use for it. There are several player, who already have their deathless champs on max sig. For them 2 reward from this month is already useless.

That is completely wrong. For you to have all your deathless champs at max sig, you would have had buy every saga daily offer from multiple tiers since the saga stones were put in the daily store specials. If you have done all of the content in game without buying multiple daily offers (keeping in mind you'd have to be buying not just the valiant, but power tiers which would mean you're buying the offers solely for the +1 saga stone for $5), you would only have one max sig champ (unless you're also using generic or class 7* sig stones). For example, I've already used mine and only Thanos is max sig. There was no purpose to hold onto them as there was no purpose hold onto them.

HulkbusterN1

How am I supposed to use these sig stones on #saga champs instead of only on #deathless…

benshb

There is one extremely simple fix for this issue: 1 on 1 converter of deathless sigs to saga sigs. Easy as peasy and the lemon squeezy.
Except then people who already used them would complain that they didn't get that chance, plus the people who have the 100+ deathless sig stones from other sources.
If people already used them, then they had use for it. There are several player, who already have their deathless champs on max sig. For them 2 reward from this month is already useless.
That is completely wrong. For you to have all your deathless champs at max sig, you would have had buy every saga daily offer from multiple tiers since the saga stones were put in the daily store specials. If you have done all of the content in game without buying multiple daily offers (keeping in mind you'd have to be buying not just the valiant, but power tiers which would mean you're buying the offers solely for the +1 saga stone for $5), you would only have one max sig champ (unless you're also using generic or class 7* sig stones). For example, I've already used mine and only Thanos is max sig. There was no purpose to hold onto them as there was no purpose hold onto them.

Even so, there are still so many limiting factors. What if someone didn't have the time to chase the deathless champs, or just simply didn't have the incentive. Or couldn't do the challenge to dupe them. Or just plain and simple, have no need for sigging up those champs they wouldn't use.

If it was "Deathless incursions" where you only could use your deathless champs, I would be OK with the deathless sigs. But it's not, it's "Deathless SAGA incursions". the glorious games incursion sig stones wasn't limited to just the glorious guardians, it was saga stones. Arcade games too.
Why change/nerf now?

Usagicassidy

Yeah great,

Just another item(s) that will sit in my account completely unusable to me for probably years, if ever.

Bendy

There is one extremely simple fix for this issue: 1 on 1 converter of deathless sigs to saga sigs. Easy as peasy and the lemon squeezy.
Except then people who already used them would complain that they didn't get that chance, plus the people who have the 100+ deathless sig stones from other sources.
If people already used them, then they had use for it. There are several player, who already have their deathless champs on max sig. For them 2 reward from this month is already useless.
That is completely wrong. For you to have all your deathless champs at max sig, you would have had buy every saga daily offer from multiple tiers since the saga stones were put in the daily store specials. If you have done all of the content in game without buying multiple daily offers (keeping in mind you'd have to be buying not just the valiant, but power tiers which would mean you're buying the offers solely for the +1 saga stone for $5), you would only have one max sig champ (unless you're also using generic or class 7* sig stones). For example, I've already used mine and only Thanos is max sig. There was no purpose to hold onto them as there was no purpose hold onto them.
Even so, there are still so many limiting factors. What if someone didn't have the time to chase the deathless champs, or just simply didn't have the incentive. Or couldn't do the challenge to dupe them. Or just plain and simple, have no need for sigging up those champs they wouldn't use.

If it was "Deathless incursions" where you only could use your deathless champs, I would be OK with the deathless sigs. But it's not, it's "Deathless SAGA incursions". the glorious games incursion sig stones wasn't limited to just the glorious guardians, it was saga stones. Arcade games too.
Why change/nerf now?

But its better than using generic as u need sigs for deathless anyway since they wont be in crystals so in end of day these have uses probs for not yet but when they can awaken them u will have sigs to use

willrun4adonut

There is one extremely simple fix for this issue: 1 on 1 converter of deathless sigs to saga sigs. Easy as peasy and the lemon squeezy.
Except then people who already used them would complain that they didn't get that chance, plus the people who have the 100+ deathless sig stones from other sources.
If people already used them, then they had use for it. There are several player, who already have their deathless champs on max sig. For them 2 reward from this month is already useless.
That is completely wrong. For you to have all your deathless champs at max sig, you would have had buy every saga daily offer from multiple tiers since the saga stones were put in the daily store specials. If you have done all of the content in game without buying multiple daily offers (keeping in mind you'd have to be buying not just the valiant, but power tiers which would mean you're buying the offers solely for the +1 saga stone for $5), you would only have one max sig champ (unless you're also using generic or class 7* sig stones). For example, I've already used mine and only Thanos is max sig. There was no purpose to hold onto them as there was no purpose hold onto them.
Even so, there are still so many limiting factors. What if someone didn't have the time to chase the deathless champs, or just simply didn't have the incentive. Or couldn't do the challenge to dupe them. Or just plain and simple, have no need for sigging up those champs they wouldn't use.

If it was "Deathless incursions" where you only could use your deathless champs, I would be OK with the deathless sigs. But it's not, it's "Deathless SAGA incursions". the glorious games incursion sig stones wasn't limited to just the glorious guardians, it was saga stones. Arcade games too.
Why change/nerf now?

I'm just pointing out that you said "it's an extremely simple fix", which it isn't. People have already used the resources that were given, so your solution isn't simple. You also forgot to put a limit on it because then people could exchange their other deathless sig stones (over 100+ on some cases). It's almost never a simple answer to something in game, and people often forget that.

But yes, I do think them giving deathless sig stones was ridiculous, but how they can correct that now is not simple.

Also, it's similar (but not exactly) to the glorious guardians stones. I have forty of them, but I didn't want to spend a ton of money or units (just like people didn't want to spend time or units for the Deathless) to awaken any champs. So should I be allowed to just trade them in because they are useless right now?

Kabam (Osaurus) Rex

The separate wording is confusing here, for sure.
The Sig Stones were always intended to be Deathless throughout the content.

I'll poke this again to make sure, but it's looking like it's an unfortunate wording error - apologies about that.
We're kinda past "unfortunate error" anymore. The success rate of bugged content and failed communications is around 90% right now. It's careless.
I can assure you, it's nowhere even close to 90% - this game is absolutely enormous.
Unfortunately, accidents are going to happen - especially wording errors in comms when items can be referred to in multiple names.

Our standard is still for there to be no errors throughout the game, and for nothing to go wrong.
Please just stop any misleading wordplay. It is not just a matter of wording errors.

What's the f point you guys need to use two different "terms" to describe one item? We all know what the f the deathless sig stone looks like because the name of that item is DEATHLESS SIG STONE.

I'll happily shed some light here, if you're interested.
Saga Signature Stones are present in each Saga - under the Saga Sig Stone bucket lies multiple different variations of Saga Signature Stones... one of them being: Deathless Saga Sig Stones.

The folks tuning the events aren't the same people writing the Comms, due to this, wording occasionally gets crossed. Nothing done here is "intentionally" misleading.

This is helpful to understand how the team sees it. Couple of questions:

As far as I can remember, this particular construct of a saga with subsets of stones has not existed. Is that right?

For the deathless saga, you seem to be implying that Deathless stones are one type of saga sig stone and that there could be more “subsets” that are focused on champs other than the Desthless. Is that right?

X-Magica, Arcade Games, Glorious Games, & Deathless all had Saga exclusive Signature Stones - that's what I meant.

Herbal_Taxman

Right. Saga exclusive sig stones that could be used on all champs tagged for the saga, not just a micro pool of five champs. That’s different.