Ares initial run by an *average? Valiant

willrun4adonut · February 13

I did the the debuff run with Howard, silk and Hulk.

I decided that this will be my last write-up ever as I can offer no valuable insight that others can't give. Everyone was a solo except Adam Warlock, whom I had to use about fifteen revives on as I thought his heavy could take off several health points, but it's too short and only does a single 2%.

For Ares, if you can NOT do his special attack, you can brute force him down with a 7r3 hulk with 24 revives to the 1 HP phase. (I didn't Dex a single special and always got KO'd). And that's all I can share.

Also, if future bosses are like this, I may actually be done playing. I just can't memorize and react fast enough with the split second to decide which action to do. However, I do think the fight is very well done and enjoyable, just not for me. And since I have to 100% everything, it may be time to walk away if the next bosses are geared like Ares.

PantherusNZ · February 13

Noooooooooooooooooooooo

RiderofHell · February 13

willrun4adonut said:
I did the the debuff run with Howard, silk and Hulk.

I decided that this will be my last write-up ever as I can offer no valuable insight that others can't give. Everyone was a solo except Adam Warlock, whom I had to use about fifteen revives on as I thought his heavy could take off several health points, but it's too short and only does a single 2%.

For Ares, if you can NOT do his special attack, you can brute force him down with a 7r3 hulk with 24 revives to the 1 HP phase. (I didn't Dex a single special and always got KO'd). And that's all I can share.

Also, if future bosses are like this, I may actually be done playing. I just can't memorize and react fast enough with the split second to decide which action to do. However, I do think the fight is very well done and enjoyable, just not for me. And since I have to 100% everything, it may be time to walk away if the next bosses are geared like Ares.

Hate to break it to you. But Ares isn't going anywhere for a while. They confirmed we will fight different versions of him.

willrun4adonut · February 13

RiderofHell said:

willrun4adonut said:
I did the the debuff run with Howard, silk and Hulk.

I decided that this will be my last write-up ever as I can offer no valuable insight that others can't give. Everyone was a solo except Adam Warlock, whom I had to use about fifteen revives on as I thought his heavy could take off several health points, but it's too short and only does a single 2%.

For Ares, if you can NOT do his special attack, you can brute force him down with a 7r3 hulk with 24 revives to the 1 HP phase. (I didn't Dex a single special and always got KO'd). And that's all I can share.

Also, if future bosses are like this, I may actually be done playing. I just can't memorize and react fast enough with the split second to decide which action to do. However, I do think the fight is very well done and enjoyable, just not for me. And since I have to 100% everything, it may be time to walk away if the next bosses are geared like Ares.
Hate to break it to you. But Ares isn't going anywhere for a while. They confirmed we will fight different versions of him.

Yep, I know that. I'm hoping they tweak him, or for future bosses, don't have the same split second decision making. I'm fine with one boss (even if he's reused) having it, but if all require that, I'd sadly be done.

Again, I think he is well designed, and if others enjoy him that's fine. His mechanics just aren't what I'm looking for in a fighting game.

Jack2634 · February 13

willrun4adonut said:
I did the the debuff run with Howard, silk and Hulk.

I decided that this will be my last write-up ever as I can offer no valuable insight that others can't give. Everyone was a solo except Adam Warlock, whom I had to use about fifteen revives on as I thought his heavy could take off several health points, but it's too short and only does a single 2%.

For Ares, if you can NOT do his special attack, you can brute force him down with a 7r3 hulk with 24 revives to the 1 HP phase. (I didn't Dex a single special and always got KO'd). And that's all I can share.

Also, if future bosses are like this, I may actually be done playing. I just can't memorize and react fast enough with the split second to decide which action to do. However, I do think the fight is very well done and enjoyable, just not for me. And since I have to 100% everything, it may be time to walk away if the next bosses are geared like Ares.

same lol. But i used photon. Fumbled around 20+ revs on him

Average_Desi · February 13

I found pausing after he takes out the weapon a good way. You have time to mentally. Prepare the DDLU thing. Feels like I'm learning to solve a Rubik's cube

willrun4adonut · February 13

Jack2634 said:

willrun4adonut said:
I did the the debuff run with Howard, silk and Hulk.

I decided that this will be my last write-up ever as I can offer no valuable insight that others can't give. Everyone was a solo except Adam Warlock, whom I had to use about fifteen revives on as I thought his heavy could take off several health points, but it's too short and only does a single 2%.

For Ares, if you can NOT do his special attack, you can brute force him down with a 7r3 hulk with 24 revives to the 1 HP phase. (I didn't Dex a single special and always got KO'd). And that's all I can share.

Also, if future bosses are like this, I may actually be done playing. I just can't memorize and react fast enough with the split second to decide which action to do. However, I do think the fight is very well done and enjoyable, just not for me. And since I have to 100% everything, it may be time to walk away if the next bosses are geared like Ares.
same lol. But i used photon. Fumbled around 20+ revs on him

41 was my total count for him. It was nice that you get the cross-fight furies as I could then just add them up between Hulk and Silk to see how many times I died.

willrun4adonut · February 13

Average_Desi said:
I found pausing after he takes out the weapon a good way. You have time to mentally. Prepare the DDLU thing. Feels like I'm learning to solve a Rubik's cube

I tried that too, but still couldn't get it. It also didn't help me that the fight's pace slowly gets faster so I can't get the same rhythm down all the time.

Hulk808 · February 13

I hear ya bro. Faced him 3 times and all 3 times weren’t enjoyable. Most of the time I just guess what special he throws since you only have a split second to see. Half the time I get clipped since I’m dexing the wrong special. I’m not gonna pause my game on every single special.

Jack2634 · February 13

willrun4adonut said:

Jack2634 said:

willrun4adonut said:
I did the the debuff run with Howard, silk and Hulk.

I decided that this will be my last write-up ever as I can offer no valuable insight that others can't give. Everyone was a solo except Adam Warlock, whom I had to use about fifteen revives on as I thought his heavy could take off several health points, but it's too short and only does a single 2%.

For Ares, if you can NOT do his special attack, you can brute force him down with a 7r3 hulk with 24 revives to the 1 HP phase. (I didn't Dex a single special and always got KO'd). And that's all I can share.

Also, if future bosses are like this, I may actually be done playing. I just can't memorize and react fast enough with the split second to decide which action to do. However, I do think the fight is very well done and enjoyable, just not for me. And since I have to 100% everything, it may be time to walk away if the next bosses are geared like Ares.
same lol. But i used photon. Fumbled around 20+ revs on him
41 was my total count for him. It was nice that you get the cross-fight furies as I could then just add them up between Hulk and Silk to see how many times I died.

at some points i didn't get 1 charges for being died i believe. If i get it right, after 10 deaths (10 charges), every 2 deaths give me 1 more charge. IDK if it was bugged or intended, but after a few times bypassing 10 deaths, i took a note about it.

willrun4adonut · February 13

Jack2634 said:

willrun4adonut said:

Jack2634 said:

willrun4adonut said:
I did the the debuff run with Howard, silk and Hulk.

I decided that this will be my last write-up ever as I can offer no valuable insight that others can't give. Everyone was a solo except Adam Warlock, whom I had to use about fifteen revives on as I thought his heavy could take off several health points, but it's too short and only does a single 2%.

For Ares, if you can NOT do his special attack, you can brute force him down with a 7r3 hulk with 24 revives to the 1 HP phase. (I didn't Dex a single special and always got KO'd). And that's all I can share.

Also, if future bosses are like this, I may actually be done playing. I just can't memorize and react fast enough with the split second to decide which action to do. However, I do think the fight is very well done and enjoyable, just not for me. And since I have to 100% everything, it may be time to walk away if the next bosses are geared like Ares.
same lol. But i used photon. Fumbled around 20+ revs on him
41 was my total count for him. It was nice that you get the cross-fight furies as I could then just add them up between Hulk and Silk to see how many times I died.
at some points i didn't get 1 charges for being died i believe. If i get it right, after 10 deaths (10 charges), every 2 deaths give me 1 more charge. IDK if it was bugged or intended, but after a few times bypassing 10 deaths, i took a note about it.

Mine was very consistent. The only time I didn't get a charge was when I quit out since he was going to a sp3. Every other time was one charge, like it was supposed to be.

Jack2634 · February 13

Ngl, i wish kabam give a quick compensation package for us taking the debuff for damage path, before we finally finishing exploration and those revives becomes worthless. 2% of each debuff instead of 3% was a massive difference. Also ares is bugged, he didn't get his persistence charge of immortaility reduced by 1 for each revive. At least kabam should give the guys completing it a few revives, or even units

Average_Desi · February 13

Jack2634 said:
Ngl, i wish kabam give a quick compensation package for us taking the debuff for damage path, before we finally finishing exploration and those revives becomes worthless. 2% of each debuff instead of 3% was a massive difference. Also ares is bugged, he didn't get his persistence charge of immortaility reduced by 1 for each revive. At least kabam should give the guys completing it a few revives, or even units

That node was changed to say 2

IAmGrO_ot78 · February 13

I haven’t tried yet, only got 25 revives in stock. But I have seen famous youtubers use 30+ revives on this, so OPs 24 + some on the path ain’t bad. In a few days, or a week, a player will come up with a nuke option, someone always do. Patience guys, patience 🥶

willrun4adonut · February 13

IAmGrO_ot78 said:
I haven’t tried yet, only got 25 revives in stock. But I have seen famous youtubers use 30+ revives on this, so OPs 24 + some on the path ain’t bad. In a few days, or a week, a player will come up with a nuke option, someone always do. Patience guys, patience 🥶

It's not the patience, I don't mind spending units or revives (see previous posts about Gwenmaster, GM, and more where I don't get a wounded phase, etc). I just didn't find it fun.

jdschw · February 13

I'm right there with ya, Will. Never managed to dodge a single full special.

I got a few hits in several times, but never made it the whole way. At some point it was just more efficient to screw the special and chain as much damage as possible before i got wrecked.

Anyway, I appreciate your writeups. Helps me feel like I'm not the only one who can't solo these things.

Gamer · February 13

willrun4adonut said:

IAmGrO_ot78 said:
I haven’t tried yet, only got 25 revives in stock. But I have seen famous youtubers use 30+ revives on this, so OPs 24 + some on the path ain’t bad. In a few days, or a week, a player will come up with a nuke option, someone always do. Patience guys, patience 🥶
It's not the patience, I don't mind spending units or revives (see previous posts about Gwenmaster, GM, and more where I don't get a wounded phase, etc). I just didn't find it fun.

Honestly you get better at it I stil struggle getting better I got the sp1 version down the randomness I just couldn’t for the life of me did it one

willrun4adonut · February 13

Gamer said:

willrun4adonut said:

IAmGrO_ot78 said:
I haven’t tried yet, only got 25 revives in stock. But I have seen famous youtubers use 30+ revives on this, so OPs 24 + some on the path ain’t bad. In a few days, or a week, a player will come up with a nuke option, someone always do. Patience guys, patience 🥶
It's not the patience, I don't mind spending units or revives (see previous posts about Gwenmaster, GM, and more where I don't get a wounded phase, etc). I just didn't find it fun.
Honestly you get better at it I stil struggle getting better I got the sp1 version down the randomness I just couldn’t for the life of me did it one

Nah, I know my limitations. It took me about 4 hours to get Dani's sp2 down, and it isn't even perfect. And that was with being able to duel her repeatedly. I won't be able to practice Ares like that. But it's ok. I'll just revive through him, and we'll see what the future fights (with him and other bosses) hold.

Dernick · February 13

Kabam forget how to do fight that all players are able to enjoy. I am 46 and I dont have reflection of 15 y old boy, for me is this fight unplayable. I allways was able to pay eventualy some progres and compesated some lack of skill, but I will not pay at all from now for anythink. From now kabam can forget my money exist. I allready canceIed sigil, I dont need this, I am too old for this 💩

captain_rogers · February 13

Willnotrun4epochofpain?

Grootman1294 · February 13

Slugging through it myself rn, on my fourth path and ares is very unkind. I just wish they made some more obvious tells for what special he is going to use, other than that the fight is cool as hell and very interesting.

Kabam was so damn close to making a challenging but skillful bossfight, but there are just a few QOL things that made this boss feel terrible.

Love your stuff @willrun4adonut , hate to see your guides go but obviously you gotta do what you think is best for yourself. You've done a lot of great stuff for the community man.

Keonex · February 13

willrun4adonut said:
I did the the debuff run with Howard, silk and Hulk.

I decided that this will be my last write-up ever as I can offer no valuable insight that others can't give. Everyone was a solo except Adam Warlock, whom I had to use about fifteen revives on as I thought his heavy could take off several health points, but it's too short and only does a single 2%.

For Ares, if you can NOT do his special attack, you can brute force him down with a 7r3 hulk with 24 revives to the 1 HP phase. (I didn't Dex a single special and always got KO'd). And that's all I can share.

Also, if future bosses are like this, I may actually be done playing. I just can't memorize and react fast enough with the split second to decide which action to do. However, I do think the fight is very well done and enjoyable, just not for me. And since I have to 100% everything, it may be time to walk away if the next bosses are geared like Ares.

yep as someone like you that has to 💯 everything this just ain’t it.

definitely gonna move on to another game

SpiderVerse · February 13

I don't think you're an average valiant

Ghostboytjie · February 13

As I said on my thread its not a bad fight.

Id just want 2 things added / removed.

Special icon to display current thrown special.
No animation increase between phases.

Learning to dex his specials was fun.

I think I spent 1k units total on ares alone. But the first 400 was me taking him to 95%

I later felt more comfortable with the specials but the rythm threw me off every phase

SirGamesBond · February 13

Ghostboytjie said:
As I said on my thread its not a bad fight.

Id just want 2 things added / removed.

Special icon to display current thrown special.
No animation increase between phases.

Learning to dex his specials was fun.

I think I spent 1k units total on ares alone. But the first 400 was me taking him to 95% I later felt more comfortable with the specials but the rythm threw me off every phase

Sometimes it's best to wait and observer others.
I know you didn't mind going in blind and learn from failing. It's the game we play.

FeydRautha · February 13

20+ revives on Ares alone for completion. Idk if I have enough units for exploration. I couldn't parry the specials and felt like he threw sp 2 80 percent of the time which is much harder than sp 1.

Folkvangr · February 13

willrun4adonut said:
I did the the debuff run with Howard, silk and Hulk.

I decided that this will be my last write-up ever as I can offer no valuable insight that others can't give. Everyone was a solo except Adam Warlock, whom I had to use about fifteen revives on as I thought his heavy could take off several health points, but it's too short and only does a single 2%.

For Ares, if you can NOT do his special attack, you can brute force him down with a 7r3 hulk with 24 revives to the 1 HP phase. (I didn't Dex a single special and always got KO'd). And that's all I can share.

Also, if future bosses are like this, I may actually be done playing. I just can't memorize and react fast enough with the split second to decide which action to do. However, I do think the fight is very well done and enjoyable, just not for me. And since I have to 100% everything, it may be time to walk away if the next bosses are geared like Ares.

I found it way easier to react to the specials when I was a safe distance away and didn’t have to dex the kick
It would be a way more enjoyable fight if he didn’t throw random specials

J0eySn0w · February 13

They could have just added a callout move on the screen like they have with the Grandmaster and thus would have made it bearable. They just don't know who are playing the game and what they really want. The roll out a lot or survey I wonder if people do them, I used to but I stopped. I want to have fun and enjoy the game, not Ares kind of fun. I'm not trying to engage my brain in this capacity. I have real work to do and I will engage my brain in that capacity.

Vanitelia · February 13

My first run went badly. Sp1 is much easier only because you naturally swipe back to dodge an attack, so you'll at least be able to get one input right. Problem I had was that I would be so focused on looking for the axe/sword, that I'd forget about the initial kick.

After I'd fail an input , I'd still perform the actions of the special just to get comfortable with the timing. For my second run, I am going to tell myself out loud to "dash", "dash", then "axe/dash" or "sword/parry" to help connect my brain to my thumbs.

As someone with vision issues, having to identify timers/icons adds another layer of difficulty. That's not on the game team or anything. Pausing helped immensely with identifying the acts of aggression inputs. All in all, I'm good with the design, just have to get better at the fight before I can say I am having fun doing it.

Gamer · February 13

willrun4adonut said:

Gamer said:

willrun4adonut said:

IAmGrO_ot78 said:
I haven’t tried yet, only got 25 revives in stock. But I have seen famous youtubers use 30+ revives on this, so OPs 24 + some on the path ain’t bad. In a few days, or a week, a player will come up with a nuke option, someone always do. Patience guys, patience 🥶
It's not the patience, I don't mind spending units or revives (see previous posts about Gwenmaster, GM, and more where I don't get a wounded phase, etc). I just didn't find it fun.
Honestly you get better at it I stil struggle getting better I got the sp1 version down the randomness I just couldn’t for the life of me did it one
Nah, I know my limitations. It took me about 4 hours to get Dani's sp2 down, and it isn't even perfect. And that was with being able to duel her repeatedly. I won't be able to practice Ares like that. But it's ok. I'll just revive through him, and we'll see what the future fights (with him and other bosses) hold.

Well i understand you i getting old to my reflexes isn’t the same as it used to be to remember everything i do think the fight is fun but the hardest part is it just a game

BeastDad · February 13

Hardly anyone actually enjoys content like this. I won’t even be bothering with it for a while.

Ares initial run by an *average? Valiant

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