Planning an Ordeal run WITHOUT Onslaught and Serpent

OakenshieldOakenshield Member Posts: 2,668 ★★★★★
edited March 13 in General Discussion
I’m working on planning my ordeal run, but don’t have Serpent as a 7* and don’t have my 7* Onslaught awakened or ranked (as I have a 6*R5A Max Sig). I see many people recommending those two champs for a large number of the fights, but I know many are in a similar situation to me. So, thought I would open a thread for those of us who are Onslaught/Serpent challenged.

My current plan is this team:


With Sinister likely being ranked up to R4 with my R4 Mutant gem. He is max sig. Given this, I’m going to work to use him on as many fights as possible.

My fight plan:
Doom - Sinister
Terrax - Wiccan or Sinister
Vision - DSH
Modok - Bullseye
Spam - Bullseye
WeaponX - Mr Sinister
Thing - Mr Sinister or DSH
Korg - Mr Sinister
Dragonman - DSH
BPCW - Wiccan
Nightcrawler - Mr Sinister or Bullseye
Spidergwen - Bullseye
Domino - Howard the Duck
Mojo - DSH
IBom - DSH
Apoc - Howard the Duck or Mr Sinister
Sassy - DSH
Killmonger - Howard the Duck
Void - Bullseye
Fury - Mr Sinister
Thanos - DSH

I haven’t run regular Gauntlet, so don’t have a ton of experience with the fights - so welcome any input on the above. Otherwise, thought those of us without Onslaught and Serpent could help each other out with some planning.
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  • OakenshieldOakenshield Member Posts: 2,668 ★★★★★

    DSH can do Modok, WeaponX, Thing.

    For Terrax with Sinister, remember to dash back after a parry and then hold heavy. That wasy you won't take any rock damage .

    Thanks for the advice!
  • Champion24Champion24 Member Posts: 21
    Great thread, I have serpent but don't have Onslaught so looking for good alternative team without Onslaught but with Serpent
  • OakenshieldOakenshield Member Posts: 2,668 ★★★★★
    Gentsy12 said:

    I’m working on planning my ordeal run, but don’t have Serpent as a 7* and don’t have my 7* Onslaught awakened or ranked (as I have a 6*R5A Max Sig). I see many people recommending those two champs for a large number of the fights, but I know many are in a similar situation to me. So, thought I would open a thread for those of us who are Onslaught/Serpent challenged.

    My current plan is this team:


    With Sinister likely being ranked up to R4 with my R4 Mutant gem. He is max sig. Given this, I’m going to work to use him on as many fights as possible.

    My fight plan:
    Doom - Sinister
    Terrax - Wiccan or Sinister
    Vision - DSH
    Modok - Bullseye
    Spam - Bullseye
    WeaponX - Mr Sinister
    Thing - Mr Sinister or DSH
    Korg - Mr Sinister
    Dragonman - DSH
    BPCW - Wiccan
    Nightcrawler - Mr Sinister or Bullseye
    Spidergwen - Bullseye
    Domino - Howard the Duck
    Mojo - DSH
    IBom - DSH
    Apoc - Howard the Duck or Mr Sinister
    Sassy - DSH
    Killmonger - Howard the Duck
    Void - Bullseye
    Fury - Mr Sinister
    Thanos - DSH

    I haven’t run regular Gauntlet, so don’t have a ton of experience with the fights - so welcome any input on the above. Otherwise, thought those of us without Onslaught and Serpent could help each other out with some planning.

    Don’t use sinister for fury (this is in general not just for this quest). His personal bleeds convert to nick’s internal bleed passive which doesn’t get passed with the sp1. I’ve learned this interaction the hard way in BG.
    Yes aware of this - I was just planning to dump my sp1 at fewer bleeds than normal.

    Suggestions on other members of my team that can effectively take Fury?
  • Savage123456789Savage123456789 Member Posts: 916 ★★★★
    edited March 13
    Sinister is mutant so that will make apoc start with full charges and you can’t parry anymore. Also, think maybe thanos would do more for you than having Wiccan just to do 1 fight. His synergy with shehulk will also help her bypass disorient on the sassy fight
  • AzdefAzdef Member Posts: 315 ★★
    Would sinister be good for Korg? I remember the trauma I went through the very first time I did it...
  • OakenshieldOakenshield Member Posts: 2,668 ★★★★★
    edited March 13

    Sinister is mutant so that will make apoc start with full charges and you can’t parry anymore. Also, think maybe thanos would do more for you than having Wiccan just to do 1 fight. His synergy with shehulk will also help her bypass disorient on the sassy fight

    Thanks @Savage123456789

    Yes, fair point. Will stick with Howard for that fight.

    That’s a really interesting idea on swapping D Thanos for Wiccan - particularly since like many I have him at R3 Sig 200.

    Can he take the BPCW and Nick Fury fight? If so that would make it an easy call.
  • Savage123456789Savage123456789 Member Posts: 916 ★★★★
    edited March 13

    Sinister is mutant so that will make apoc start with full charges and you can’t parry anymore. Also, think maybe thanos would do more for you than having Wiccan just to do 1 fight. His synergy with shehulk will also help her bypass disorient on the sassy fight

    Thanks @Savage123456789

    Yes, fair point. Will stick with Howard for that fight.

    That’s a really interesting idea on swapping D Thanos for Wiccan - particularly since like many I have him at R3 Sig 200.

    Can he take the BPCW and Nick Fury fight? If so that would make it an easy call.
    Fury? Yes, but sinister might be better when it comes to managing his charges and blocking unblockable specials.. For BPCW, its a matter of how comfortable you are working around footloose. It will probably be a long fight with Thanos. So, your current team is fine too. It's more or less where you want your pain points. Thanos is kinda like a jack of all trades in this quest, so he can be a back up for a few fights if your main guy dies that's all.

    Actually, Howard and sinister will have the same problem with Apoc. He treats heroes as mutants. So DSH might be the better one to use, or thanos if you decide to bring him
  • OakenshieldOakenshield Member Posts: 2,668 ★★★★★
    edited March 13

    Sinister is mutant so that will make apoc start with full charges and you can’t parry anymore. Also, think maybe thanos would do more for you than having Wiccan just to do 1 fight. His synergy with shehulk will also help her bypass disorient on the sassy fight

    Thanks @Savage123456789

    Yes, fair point. Will stick with Howard for that fight.

    That’s a really interesting idea on swapping D Thanos for Wiccan - particularly since like many I have him at R3 Sig 200.

    Can he take the BPCW and Nick Fury fight? If so that would make it an easy call.
    Fury? Yes, but sinister might be better when it comes to managing his charges and blocking unblockable specials.. For BPCW, its a matter of how comfortable you are working around footloose. It will probably be a long fight with Thanos. So, your current team is fine too. It's more or less where you want your pain points. Thanos is kinda like a jack of all trades in this quest, so he can be a back up for a few fights if your main guy dies that's all.

    Actually, Howard and sinister will have the same problem with Apoc. He treats heroes as mutants. So DSH might be the better one to use, or thanos if you decide to bring him
    OK thank you @Savage123456789 . Will probably stick with Sinister for Fury and use DSH for Apoc then. With my current team, who specifically do you recommend for BPCW? That’s the fight I’m probably most concerned about from what I’ve read and if I don’t bring a specific counter. Or I suppose I could stick with Wiccan, which as you say would just mean I’m choosing to have more pain on Sassy with DSH.
  • Savage123456789Savage123456789 Member Posts: 916 ★★★★

    Sinister is mutant so that will make apoc start with full charges and you can’t parry anymore. Also, think maybe thanos would do more for you than having Wiccan just to do 1 fight. His synergy with shehulk will also help her bypass disorient on the sassy fight

    Thanks @Savage123456789

    Yes, fair point. Will stick with Howard for that fight.

    That’s a really interesting idea on swapping D Thanos for Wiccan - particularly since like many I have him at R3 Sig 200.

    Can he take the BPCW and Nick Fury fight? If so that would make it an easy call.
    Fury? Yes, but sinister might be better when it comes to managing his charges and blocking unblockable specials.. For BPCW, its a matter of how comfortable you are working around footloose. It will probably be a long fight with Thanos. So, your current team is fine too. It's more or less where you want your pain points. Thanos is kinda like a jack of all trades in this quest, so he can be a back up for a few fights if your main guy dies that's all.

    Actually, Howard and sinister will have the same problem with Apoc. He treats heroes as mutants. So DSH might be the better one to use, or thanos if you decide to bring him
    OK thank you @Savage123456789 . Will probably stick with Sinister for Fury and use DSH for Apoc then. With my current team, who specifically do you recommend for BPCW? That’s the fight I’m probably most concerned about from what I’ve read and if I don’t bring a specific counter. Or I suppose I could stick with Wiccan, which as you say would just mean I’m choosing to have more pain on Sassy with DSH.
    It’s not that much pain for sassy. You might take a few extra block hits since you can’t parry as much. If thats the fight you are most worried about then go with Wiccan. The extra annoyance on sassy is not worth the headache of bringing someone you are not comfortable with for BPCW.
  • willrun4adonutwillrun4adonut Member Posts: 6,381 ★★★★★

    Sinister is mutant so that will make apoc start with full charges and you can’t parry anymore. Also, think maybe thanos would do more for you than having Wiccan just to do 1 fight. His synergy with shehulk will also help her bypass disorient on the sassy fight

    Thanks @Savage123456789

    Yes, fair point. Will stick with Howard for that fight.

    That’s a really interesting idea on swapping D Thanos for Wiccan - particularly since like many I have him at R3 Sig 200.

    Can he take the BPCW and Nick Fury fight? If so that would make it an easy call.
    Fury? Yes, but sinister might be better when it comes to managing his charges and blocking unblockable specials.. For BPCW, its a matter of how comfortable you are working around footloose. It will probably be a long fight with Thanos. So, your current team is fine too. It's more or less where you want your pain points. Thanos is kinda like a jack of all trades in this quest, so he can be a back up for a few fights if your main guy dies that's all.

    Actually, Howard and sinister will have the same problem with Apoc. He treats heroes as mutants. So DSH might be the better one to use, or thanos if you decide to bring him
    OK thank you @Savage123456789 . Will probably stick with Sinister for Fury and use DSH for Apoc then. With my current team, who specifically do you recommend for BPCW? That’s the fight I’m probably most concerned about from what I’ve read and if I don’t bring a specific counter. Or I suppose I could stick with Wiccan, which as you say would just mean I’m choosing to have more pain on Sassy with DSH.
    It’s not that much pain for sassy. You might take a few extra block hits since you can’t parry as much. If thats the fight you are most worried about then go with Wiccan. The extra annoyance on sassy is not worth the headache of bringing someone you are not comfortable with for BPCW.
    I agree with Savage. Sassy wasn't too difficult for me, even using a non-optimal counter. But Black panther, I wish I had brought a specific counter for him. He took the most revives on that single fight compared to everyone else combined.
  • FrostGiantLordFrostGiantLord Member Posts: 2,234 ★★★★
    What's the strat for using Sinister against Terrax? Is it just parry dash back heavy repeat?
  • OakenshieldOakenshield Member Posts: 2,668 ★★★★★

    What's the strat for using Sinister against Terrax? Is it just parry dash back heavy repeat?

    Here is what Average_Desi said above : For Terrax with Sinister, remember to dash back after a parry and then hold heavy. That wasy you won't take any rock damage .
  • OakenshieldOakenshield Member Posts: 2,668 ★★★★★

    Sinister is mutant so that will make apoc start with full charges and you can’t parry anymore. Also, think maybe thanos would do more for you than having Wiccan just to do 1 fight. His synergy with shehulk will also help her bypass disorient on the sassy fight

    Thanks @Savage123456789

    Yes, fair point. Will stick with Howard for that fight.

    That’s a really interesting idea on swapping D Thanos for Wiccan - particularly since like many I have him at R3 Sig 200.

    Can he take the BPCW and Nick Fury fight? If so that would make it an easy call.
    Fury? Yes, but sinister might be better when it comes to managing his charges and blocking unblockable specials.. For BPCW, its a matter of how comfortable you are working around footloose. It will probably be a long fight with Thanos. So, your current team is fine too. It's more or less where you want your pain points. Thanos is kinda like a jack of all trades in this quest, so he can be a back up for a few fights if your main guy dies that's all.

    Actually, Howard and sinister will have the same problem with Apoc. He treats heroes as mutants. So DSH might be the better one to use, or thanos if you decide to bring him
    OK thank you @Savage123456789 . Will probably stick with Sinister for Fury and use DSH for Apoc then. With my current team, who specifically do you recommend for BPCW? That’s the fight I’m probably most concerned about from what I’ve read and if I don’t bring a specific counter. Or I suppose I could stick with Wiccan, which as you say would just mean I’m choosing to have more pain on Sassy with DSH.
    It’s not that much pain for sassy. You might take a few extra block hits since you can’t parry as much. If thats the fight you are most worried about then go with Wiccan. The extra annoyance on sassy is not worth the headache of bringing someone you are not comfortable with for BPCW.
    I agree with Savage. Sassy wasn't too difficult for me, even using a non-optimal counter. But Black panther, I wish I had brought a specific counter for him. He took the most revives on that single fight compared to everyone else combined.
    OK thanks. Yes, I’ll probably go with Wiccan after all. Honestly I’m not super comfortable with D Thanos yet, so probably better to go that way anyways. Looks like Sinister and DSH are going to do most of the work though.
  • OakenshieldOakenshield Member Posts: 2,668 ★★★★★
    edited March 13
    Adjusted plan based on the input I’ve received:

    Doom - Sinister
    Terrax - Sinister
    Vision - DSH
    Modok - Bullseye
    Spam - Bullseye
    WeaponX - Mr Sinister or DSH
    Thing - Mr Sinister or DSH
    Korg - Mr Sinister
    Dragonman - DSH
    BPCW - Wiccan
    Nightcrawler - Mr Sinister or Bullseye
    Spidergwen - Bullseye
    Domino - Howard the Duck
    Mojo - DSH
    IBom - DSH
    Apoc - DSH
    Sassy - DSH
    Killmonger - Howard the Duck
    Void - Bullseye
    Fury - Mr Sinister (keep # of bleeds low before sp1 to avoid NF converting them to passive)
    Thanos - DSH

    Where more than one is listed, going to lead with Sinister and only go to the other if I’m struggling.
  • RustyoneilRustyoneil Member Posts: 223 ★★
    Onslaught doesn’t “need“ the dupe. Rank him up, he makes some of these fights trivial. You’ll save a lot of resources
  • Nameless_IWNameless_IW Member Posts: 1,201 ★★★★

    Adjusted plan based on the input I’ve received:

    Doom - Sinister
    Terrax - Sinister
    Vision - DSH
    Modok - Bullseye
    Spam - Bullseye
    WeaponX - Mr Sinister or DSH
    Thing - Mr Sinister or DSH
    Korg - Mr Sinister
    Dragonman - DSH
    BPCW - Wiccan
    Nightcrawler - Mr Sinister or Bullseye
    Spidergwen - Bullseye
    Domino - Howard the Duck
    Mojo - DSH
    IBom - DSH
    Apoc - DSH
    Sassy - DSH
    Killmonger - Howard the Duck
    Void - Bullseye
    Fury - Mr Sinister (keep # of bleeds low before sp1 to avoid NF converting them to passive)
    Thanos - DSH

    Where more than one is listed, going to lead with Sinister and only go to the other if I’m struggling.

    This is a good thread OP. In my main account i do have both Serpent and Onslaught but my alt account i dont have them a 7*. So i'm considering other options.
  • dv99999dv99999 Member Posts: 210

    Adjusted plan based on the input I’ve received:

    Doom - Sinister
    Terrax - Sinister
    Vision - DSH
    Modok - Bullseye
    Spam - Bullseye
    WeaponX - Mr Sinister or DSH
    Thing - Mr Sinister or DSH
    Korg - Mr Sinister
    Dragonman - DSH
    BPCW - Wiccan
    Nightcrawler - Mr Sinister or Bullseye
    Spidergwen - Bullseye
    Domino - Howard the Duck
    Mojo - DSH
    IBom - DSH
    Apoc - DSH
    Sassy - DSH
    Killmonger - Howard the Duck
    Void - Bullseye
    Fury - Mr Sinister (keep # of bleeds low before sp1 to avoid NF converting them to passive)
    Thanos - DSH

    Where more than one is listed, going to lead with Sinister and only go to the other if I’m struggling.

    Can I replace DSH with others ?
  • Frumpy_geezerFrumpy_geezer Member Posts: 209 ★★
    dv99999 said:


    Can I replace DSH with others ?

    You'll really want someone with taunt for vision if you don't use DSH. Nefaria cheeses terrax. At least in the regular gauntlet.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,476 Guardian
    Something to keep in mind is that apoc treats everyone like a mutant, so howard will be really bad for him because you can't parry
  • BogoBogo Member Posts: 216 ★★
    Does mister sinister have to brute force killmonger with just basic attacks?
    It could work right, js a very long fight.
    The block bleeds give good willpower.
  • OakenshieldOakenshield Member Posts: 2,668 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Something to keep in mind is that apoc treats everyone like a mutant, so howard will be really bad for him because you can't parry

    Thanks @Pikolu realize that now so plan to use DSH instead.
  • OakenshieldOakenshield Member Posts: 2,668 ★★★★★
    Bogo said:

    Does mister sinister have to brute force killmonger with just basic attacks?
    It could work right, js a very long fight.
    The block bleeds give good willpower.

    Theoretically yes but I don’t have the patience for that so I’m going to use Howard for him. Lots of parry/heavy action for the armor breaks.
  • OakenshieldOakenshield Member Posts: 2,668 ★★★★★
    Today I did this run. Here are the champs I ended up using:
    Doom - Sinister
    Terrax - Sinister
    Vision - DSH
    Modok - Bullseye
    Spam - Bullseye
    WeaponX - Mr Sinister
    Thing - Mr Sinister
    Korg - Mr Sinister
    Dragonman - DSH
    BPCW - Wiccan
    Nightcrawler - Bullseye
    Spidergwen - Bullseye
    Domino - Howard the Duck
    Mojo - DSH
    IBom - DSH
    Apoc - DSH
    Sassy - DSH
    Killmonger - Howard the Duck
    Void - Mr Sinister
    Fury - Mr Sinister (keep # of bleeds low before sp1 to avoid NF converting them to passive)
    Thanos - DSH for the first ~75%, rest of the team to finish him off

    This was definitely easier than Necropolis or Epoch. Most fights were solos or 1-2 revives. I intentionally died a couple of extra times on the first two fights with Sinister to get the max mystic and cosmic charges, but Doom could easily have been a solo and Terrax maybe one revive. Sinister at R4 was an absolute beast for this - any fight I could do with him was pretty easy. Same with Deathless She Hulk - she did fantastic job. Bullseye and Howard also were good counters for their fights. The only fight I had a hard time with was BPCW, and that was more because I couldn’t get the timing/fight down initially. I also forgot to turn on mystic dispersion for that fight. I probably used 10 revives for the first 30% of the fight I’m embarrassed to say, but then finally got the timing down and got him down to 15% with the next try and finished him with 1-2 more revives. So, like @willrun4adonut I probably used more revives on that fight than the rest of the run. That said, all of my revives came from my stash so no biggie.

    My nexus wasn’t great - took sigs on Shocker. Think I’m going to save the Titan nexus till the next batch of champs.



    Took SpiderHam to R4 as my rank up. Overall would say this one was fun! (Outside of BPCW). Definitely doable without Serpent and Onslaught.
  • willrun4adonutwillrun4adonut Member Posts: 6,381 ★★★★★
    Congrats, but so sorry about that Nexus. I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who found BPCW a total pain.
  • OakenshieldOakenshield Member Posts: 2,668 ★★★★★

    Congrats, but so sorry about that Nexus. I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who found BPCW a total pain.

    Yes it was. Thanks again for the tip on dying a couple of times on the first two fights to charge up Sinister.
  • dv99999dv99999 Member Posts: 210

    Today I did this run. Here are the champs I ended up using:
    Doom - Sinister
    Terrax - Sinister
    Vision - DSH
    Modok - Bullseye
    Spam - Bullseye
    WeaponX - Mr Sinister
    Thing - Mr Sinister
    Korg - Mr Sinister
    Dragonman - DSH
    BPCW - Wiccan
    Nightcrawler - Bullseye
    Spidergwen - Bullseye
    Domino - Howard the Duck
    Mojo - DSH
    IBom - DSH
    Apoc - DSH
    Sassy - DSH
    Killmonger - Howard the Duck
    Void - Mr Sinister
    Fury - Mr Sinister (keep # of bleeds low before sp1 to avoid NF converting them to passive)
    Thanos - DSH for the first ~75%, rest of the team to finish him off

    This was definitely easier than Necropolis or Epoch. Most fights were solos or 1-2 revives. I intentionally died a couple of extra times on the first two fights with Sinister to get the max mystic and cosmic charges, but Doom could easily have been a solo and Terrax maybe one revive. Sinister at R4 was an absolute beast for this - any fight I could do with him was pretty easy. Same with Deathless She Hulk - she did fantastic job. Bullseye and Howard also were good counters for their fights. The only fight I had a hard time with was BPCW, and that was more because I couldn’t get the timing/fight down initially. I also forgot to turn on mystic dispersion for that fight. I probably used 10 revives for the first 30% of the fight I’m embarrassed to say, but then finally got the timing down and got him down to 15% with the next try and finished him with 1-2 more revives. So, like @willrun4adonut I probably used more revives on that fight than the rest of the run. That said, all of my revives came from my stash so no biggie.

    My nexus wasn’t great - took sigs on Shocker. Think I’m going to save the Titan nexus till the next batch of champs.



    Took SpiderHam to R4 as my rank up. Overall would say this one was fun! (Outside of BPCW). Definitely doable without Serpent and Onslaught.

    DHS joined many fights on the list. who can replace DHS ? (i dont have DHS)
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 12,579 ★★★★★
    dv99999 said:

    Today I did this run. Here are the champs I ended up using:
    Doom - Sinister
    Terrax - Sinister
    Vision - DSH
    Modok - Bullseye
    Spam - Bullseye
    WeaponX - Mr Sinister
    Thing - Mr Sinister
    Korg - Mr Sinister
    Dragonman - DSH
    BPCW - Wiccan
    Nightcrawler - Bullseye
    Spidergwen - Bullseye
    Domino - Howard the Duck
    Mojo - DSH
    IBom - DSH
    Apoc - DSH
    Sassy - DSH
    Killmonger - Howard the Duck
    Void - Mr Sinister
    Fury - Mr Sinister (keep # of bleeds low before sp1 to avoid NF converting them to passive)
    Thanos - DSH for the first ~75%, rest of the team to finish him off

    This was definitely easier than Necropolis or Epoch. Most fights were solos or 1-2 revives. I intentionally died a couple of extra times on the first two fights with Sinister to get the max mystic and cosmic charges, but Doom could easily have been a solo and Terrax maybe one revive. Sinister at R4 was an absolute beast for this - any fight I could do with him was pretty easy. Same with Deathless She Hulk - she did fantastic job. Bullseye and Howard also were good counters for their fights. The only fight I had a hard time with was BPCW, and that was more because I couldn’t get the timing/fight down initially. I also forgot to turn on mystic dispersion for that fight. I probably used 10 revives for the first 30% of the fight I’m embarrassed to say, but then finally got the timing down and got him down to 15% with the next try and finished him with 1-2 more revives. So, like @willrun4adonut I probably used more revives on that fight than the rest of the run. That said, all of my revives came from my stash so no biggie.

    My nexus wasn’t great - took sigs on Shocker. Think I’m going to save the Titan nexus till the next batch of champs.



    Took SpiderHam to R4 as my rank up. Overall would say this one was fun! (Outside of BPCW). Definitely doable without Serpent and Onslaught.

    DHS joined many fights on the list. who can replace DHS ? (i dont have DHS)
    Hulk, luke, spam nefaria all work. Not for ibom though. But they can take out the mystics.
  • BogoBogo Member Posts: 216 ★★



    DHS joined many fights on the list. who can replace DHS ? (i dont have DHS)

    i used overseer who took sassy(need at least 2/3 despair), ibom, dragon man, vision, mojo and spam.
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