Jean Grey, Great damage but...

I find it very disappointing she doesn't counter evade. Emma frost and Prof X both counter due to telekinesis but Jean is Omega level and doesn't counter evade. At least I didn't see it in the description. Her damage is sickening but she seems to lack any utility.

Comments

Bugmat78

I find it very disappointing she doesn't counter evade. Emma frost and Prof X both counter due to telekinesis but Jean is Omega level and doesn't counter evade. At least I didn't see it in the description. Her damage is sickening but she seems to lack any utility.

She seems geared at being a defender more than attacker especially with the random reverse controls - so utility isn't necessary I guess.

Pseudouber

I guess. It would just be cool if they stuck with the Coherence. Also would have be so cool if they actually showed the bubble shield on her and changed colors relating with the buff icon.

altavista

I find it very disappointing she doesn't counter evade. Emma frost and Prof X both counter due to telekinesis but Jean is Omega level and doesn't counter evade. At least I didn't see it in the description. Her damage is sickening but she seems to lack any utility.

She's a Miss counter (via neuroshock) so it would be a lot to have her counter both evade and miss. So she has coherence with Onslaught essentially.

I also think her shield is underrated. Ignore thorns, and essentially can handle the occasional DoT of any type.

TotemCorruption

I find it very disappointing she doesn't counter evade. Emma frost and Prof X both counter due to telekinesis but Jean is Omega level and doesn't counter evade. At least I didn't see it in the description. Her damage is sickening but she seems to lack any utility.
She seems geared at being a defender more than attacker especially with the random reverse controls - so utility isn't necessary I guess.

Reverse controls is literally all she has as a defender, and it's pretty easy to play around because you have that pink glow on you. And if you have a reverse control immune champ like Jack, then she becomes a total zero as a defender.

As an attacker though, she's great. Some BG fights (where I had forgotten to even give her a relic) and EoP fights:

EdisonLaw

She counters miss instead, neuros prevent miss

Bugmat78

I find it very disappointing she doesn't counter evade. Emma frost and Prof X both counter due to telekinesis but Jean is Omega level and doesn't counter evade. At least I didn't see it in the description. Her damage is sickening but she seems to lack any utility.
She seems geared at being a defender more than attacker especially with the random reverse controls - so utility isn't necessary I guess.
Reverse controls is literally all she has as a defender, and it's pretty easy to play around because you have that pink glow on you. And if you have a reverse control immune champ like Jack, then she becomes a total zero as a defender.

As an attacker though, she's great. Some BG fights (where I had forgotten to even give her a relic) and EoP fights:

She definitely has damage (and that IS a utility) but I think OP was more interested in several other pieces of utility. And yes I forgot she coutnes miss.

When Is ay as a defender I see her being more relevant in BGs where RNG can prevent you from having a counter like Jack available. In AW you can plan.

TotemCorruption

I find it very disappointing she doesn't counter evade. Emma frost and Prof X both counter due to telekinesis but Jean is Omega level and doesn't counter evade. At least I didn't see it in the description. Her damage is sickening but she seems to lack any utility.
She seems geared at being a defender more than attacker especially with the random reverse controls - so utility isn't necessary I guess.
Reverse controls is literally all she has as a defender, and it's pretty easy to play around because you have that pink glow on you. And if you have a reverse control immune champ like Jack, then she becomes a total zero as a defender.

As an attacker though, she's great. Some BG fights (where I had forgotten to even give her a relic) and EoP fights:

She definitely has damage (and that IS a utility) but I think OP was more interested in several other pieces of utility. And yes I forgot she coutnes miss.

When Is ay as a defender I see her being more relevant in BGs where RNG can prevent you from having a counter like Jack available. In AW you can plan.

She can also parry stun skill champs like Storm X with her sig ability. I mean champs that would cleanse or disable the parry stun debuff...

WednesdayLength

I guess. It would just be cool if they stuck with the Coherence. Also would have be so cool if they actually showed the bubble shield on her and changed colors relating with the buff icon.

The idea of coherence doesn't exist outside of the playerbase. People get mad when characters with similar power sets get added and then complain when champions don't have the same abilities just because lmao. I don't get why she needs evade counter when her target matchups don't evade

NONYABIZZ

If she countered evade yall would complain "another mutant bullseye counter"

She counters miss, she's a telepath so is Mantis yet she doesn't counter evade
There is no problem with that at all, she counters miss instead, you it where you can.

Pseudouber

If she countered evade yall would complain "another mutant bullseye counter"

She counters miss, she's a telepath so is Mantis yet she doesn't counter evade
There is no problem with that at all, she counters miss instead, you it where you can.

Do a lot of skill champs have Miss?

TotemCorruption

If she countered evade yall would complain "another mutant bullseye counter"

She counters miss, she's a telepath so is Mantis yet she doesn't counter evade
There is no problem with that at all, she counters miss instead, you it where you can.
Do a lot of skill champs have Miss?

None that you would normally face in BG or AW.
It's probably mostly useful when a node applies falter/miss, or if you're facing the couple of regular BG defenders who have that ability in their kits (Ebony Maw, Prowler).

Pseudouber

Yeah not many

shield311

If she countered evade yall would complain "another mutant bullseye counter"

She counters miss, she's a telepath so is Mantis yet she doesn't counter evade
There is no problem with that at all, she counters miss instead, you it where you can.
Do a lot of skill champs have Miss?

It doesn't have to be skill champs specifically, there's other champions, nodes and metas where a miss counter would cook.

peixemacaco

Jean is ok

But Bastion is better

NONYABIZZ

Jean is ok

But Bastion is better

Even you don't believe that and also, not the subject of the post

peixemacaco

Jean is ok

But Bastion is better
Even you don't believe that and also, not the subject of the post

A Newbie on Forums...lol

So, you think you're on my mind?

I saw the Live stream and both deep dives for your knowledge

BringPopcorn

Oh no its the fight between the lame showcase guy and the initial thought on x guy...

NONYABIZZ

Jean is ok

But Bastion is better
Even you don't believe that and also, not the subject of the post
A Newbie on Forums...lol

So, you think you're on my mind?

I saw the Live stream and both deep dives for your knowledge

Yh okay.
Anyways...back to the topic of discussion.

Skill, isn't the only class in the game and her miss counter is applicable elsewhere as miss is a very great piece of utility to have so is evade, autoblock counter, slow etc.

TotemCorruption

Yeah not many

They rarely make a champ that counters everything.
She already counters a lot of stuff skill champs do, like thorns and cleanse and AAR and crit damage.
The miss counter isn't even a main ability of hers, it's just an extension of the neuroshock damage.
She doesn't have access to pursuit like Dazzler and Bastion, but I bet if I did that Bullseye fight again I could finish close to 100% if I had a relic and picked a defensive stat focus tailored to that fight.

EdisonLaw

Jean is ok

But Bastion is better

Still a bit early to decide

peixemacaco

Jean is ok

But Bastion is better
Still a bit early to decide

The damage I saw on videos , Bastion was way better and menacing

WednesdayLength

Jean is ok

But Bastion is better
Still a bit early to decide
The damage I saw on videos , Bastion was way better and menacing

Until you play them you can't say that

peixemacaco

Jean is ok

But Bastion is better
Still a bit early to decide
The damage I saw on videos , Bastion was way better and menacing
Until you play them you can't say that

I can.

Both videos were quite awesome and showed Bastion is way better

altavista

Jean is ok

But Bastion is better
Still a bit early to decide
The damage I saw on videos , Bastion was way better and menacing
Until you play them you can't say that
I can.

Both videos were quite awesome and showed Bastion is way better

Based on previews, people said Proxima Midnight is better than Corvus. And look what happened in actual practice.

BringPopcorn

Based on commercials McDonald's has the tastiest burgers too 🤣
So Bastion seemed better than Jean uh?... No wonder he cost 500 bucks I guess instead of an early access bundle?

TotemCorruption

Based on commercials McDonald's has the tastiest burgers too 🤣
So Bastion seemed better than Jean uh?... No wonder he cost 500 bucks I guess instead of an early access bundle?

They both had the same early access bundle offers, just like every new champ, it's just that Bastion also has a webstore milestone tracker that guarantees a 7* if you spend $500.
A lot of people spend $500 on early access bundles and wind up not even getting a 7* version.

BringPopcorn

Based on commercials McDonald's has the tastiest burgers too 🤣
So Bastion seemed better than Jean uh?... No wonder he cost 500 bucks I guess instead of an early access bundle?
They both had the same early access bundle offers, just like every new champ, it's just that Bastion also has a webstore milestone tracker that guarantees a 7* if you spend $500.
A lot of people spend $500 on early access bundles and wind up not even getting a 7* version.

My bad I thought I didn't see the bundle.

WednesdayLength

Jean is ok

But Bastion is better
Still a bit early to decide
The damage I saw on videos , Bastion was way better and menacing
Until you play them you can't say that
I can.

Both videos were quite awesome and showed Bastion is way better

As someone with both at the same level i can say this simply isn't true

BringPopcorn

Jean is ok

But Bastion is better
Still a bit early to decide
The damage I saw on videos , Bastion was way better and menacing
Until you play them you can't say that
I can.

Both videos were quite awesome and showed Bastion is way better
As someone with both at the same level i can say this simply isn't true

How dare you, he saw the vids. A deep dive video is more accurate than a person trying it for himself

Ourobøros

I find it very disappointing she doesn't counter evade. Emma frost and Prof X both counter due to telekinesis but Jean is Omega level and doesn't counter evade. At least I didn't see it in the description. Her damage is sickening but she seems to lack any utility.
She's a Miss counter (via neuroshock) so it would be a lot to have her counter both evade and miss. So she has coherence with Onslaught essentially.

I also think her shield is underrated. Ignore thorns, and essentially can handle the occasional DoT of any type.

Serpent does counter both