Jack O Lantern or Bastion?

EdisonLaw

So I finally got Bastion yesterday from the arena, just for testing purposes, and I’m wondering. Who is actually better in your opinion? Who’s the better Onslaught counter? Who can take more matchups?
Would you use one over the other if they are better, and why?

Toyota_2015

Bastion

I mean, Bastion just came out so it’s probably going to take a bit of time to figure out how good he actually is. Based off initial reactions, though, I would go Bastion.

PT_99

Jack

Jack is legit fastest, most safest, reliable Onslaught counter, my r3 takes down r4 in war no stress.
Plus he's also good against anyone who's not fire and poison immune.

He's also straightforward nuker, just sp2 spam, finish fights lol 😀

Bastion I'll say honestly is very very overhyped, be careful with him.
Not as overhyped as Morbius and Beta ray Bill and maybe he's better than both of them but still,
Hype to reality ratio is way off.

EdisonLaw

Bastion

Now that the Titan pool has updated, who's better?

KillerM

Jack

Jack can do every fight that bastion does except for bullseye.but there are enough counter for him already. And jack is reverse immune + parry non contact thats pretty rare a champ has both

EgyptOverseer

From my testing, Bastion is far more sustainable than Jack and can burst down just with SP1s. He also doesn't need dupe and high Sig like Jack does to counter Onslaught.

TotemCorruption

EgyptOverseer said:

From my testing, Bastion is far more sustainable than Jack and can burst down just with SP1s. He also doesn't need dupe and high Sig like Jack does to counter Onslaught.

Jack doesn't need dupe for Onslaught unless you don't know how to dex his specials.

Phantøm_Echø

EgyptOverseer said:

From my testing, Bastion is far more sustainable than Jack and can burst down just with SP1s. He also doesn't need dupe and high Sig like Jack does to counter Onslaught.

Jack can still nuke down other matchups like domino, sinister, and now jean faster than bastion especially for BGs

Emilia90

Jack

Bastion has to have some of the most mixed reviews ever lmao, some saying he’s the new best and that people are underestimating him and some saying he’s not that great

EdisonLaw

Bastion

Phantøm_Echø said:

EgyptOverseer said:

From my testing, Bastion is far more sustainable than Jack and can burst down just with SP1s. He also doesn't need dupe and high Sig like Jack does to counter Onslaught.

Jack can still nuke down other matchups like domino, sinister, and now jean faster than bastion especially for BGs

Bastion can also take those matchups as well, he can even counter Domino's evade with his own pursuit

Phantøm_Echø

EdisonLaw said:

Phantøm_Echø said:

EgyptOverseer said:

From my testing, Bastion is far more sustainable than Jack and can burst down just with SP1s. He also doesn't need dupe and high Sig like Jack does to counter Onslaught.

Jack can still nuke down other matchups like domino, sinister, and now jean faster than bastion especially for BGs

Bastion can also take those matchups as well, he can even counter Domino's evade with his own pursuit

"faster" is the key word here... Bastion needs sig and suicides to perform quickly on some of those, jack can take them quickly straight out of the box

ShoNuff29

Jack

I’ve had Bastion for a while. Love using him, but not having cowardice is definitely problematic. There’s times I’d love to use him but have to leave him on the bench because of that.

Hoitado

Bastion

Bastion’s Special 1 goes crazy

FrostGiantLord

Bastion

Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

Skyfaw

Only siths deal in absolute. Be a chad and be best friends with both and with the power of friendship conquer the battle realm. Yw

Ragnaruk5178

Jack

Bastion can take more matchups in general but Jack does the mutant ones way faster.

WednesdayLength

EdisonLaw said:

Now that the Titan pool has updated, who's better?

You need to stop lmao

JessieS

TotemCorruption said:

EgyptOverseer said:

From my testing, Bastion is far more sustainable than Jack and can burst down just with SP1s. He also doesn't need dupe and high Sig like Jack does to counter Onslaught.

Jack doesn't need dupe for Onslaught unless you don't know how to dex his specials.

I can’t dex his specials but I have a duped Jack. I have never really played him . Is he hard to master and how does he counter onslaught ?

ToniXD_16

Bastion

PT_99 said:

Jack is legit fastest, most safest, reliable Onslaught counter, my r3 takes down r4 in war no stress.
Plus he's also good against anyone who's not fire and poison immune.

He's also straightforward nuker, just sp2 spam, finish fights lol 😀

Bastion I'll say honestly is very very overhyped, be careful with him.
Not as overhyped as Morbius and Beta ray Bill and maybe he's better than both of them but still,
Hype to reality ratio is way off.

Yeah "also good against anyone who isnt inicnirate and poision immune"

PT_99 said:

Jack is legit fastest, most safest, reliable Onslaught counter, my r3 takes down r4 in war no stress.
Plus he's also good against anyone who's not fire and poison immune.

He's also straightforward nuker, just sp2 spam, finish fights lol 😀

Bastion I'll say honestly is very very overhyped, be careful with him.
Not as overhyped as Morbius and Beta ray Bill and maybe he's better than both of them but still,
Hype to reality ratio is way off.

Actually just delusional and Bastion doesnt need to worry about anything being immune to his damage

Anotherconcernplayer

EdisonLaw said:

Now that the Titan pool has updated, who's better?

Well you already vote for Bastion, I guess that is your choice.

Based on every saying here the best compromise is R3 Jack and R4 Bastion.

Since Bastion is slow the extra rank will help him, and Jack don't need 🤣.

The honest true is I have no idea, I don't know anything about these champs.

Off topic, how is Iron Heart compare to these 2?

captain_rogers

Bastion

Anotherconcernplayer said:

EdisonLaw said:

Now that the Titan pool has updated, who's better?

Well you already vote for Bastion, I guess that is your choice.

Based on every saying here the best compromise is R3 Jack and R4 Bastion.

Since Bastion is slow the extra rank will help him, and Jack don't need 🤣.

The honest true is I have no idea, I don't know anything about these champs.

Off topic, how is Iron Heart compare to these 2?

Ironheart has better utility and take more matchups than these two (not sure bout bastion but definitely more utility than jack). But has less damage than these 2.benefit more from r4.

EdisonLaw

Bastion

ShoNuff29 said:

I’ve had Bastion for a while. Love using him, but not having cowardice is definitely problematic. There’s times I’d love to use him but have to leave him on the bench because of that.

He's no coward

EdisonLaw

Bastion

FrostGiantLord said:

Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too

EdisonLaw

Bastion

Anotherconcernplayer said:

EdisonLaw said:

Now that the Titan pool has updated, who's better?

Well you already vote for Bastion, I guess that is your choice.

Based on every saying here the best compromise is R3 Jack and R4 Bastion.

Since Bastion is slow the extra rank will help him, and Jack don't need 🤣.

The honest true is I have no idea, I don't know anything about these champs.

Off topic, how is Iron Heart compare to these 2?

More utility, but generally slower

EgyptOverseer

EdisonLaw said:

FrostGiantLord said:

Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too

Lol. Taking a bit less damage through block is hardly something that makes a champ good against Bullseye. There is nothing on his kit that does anything about the evade, which is the core of the issue with Bullseye.

WednesdayLength

EdisonLaw said:

FrostGiantLord said:

Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too

I think you should spend more time playing the game if you think this is true

Grimmbear

Bastion

EgyptOverseer said:

EdisonLaw said:

FrostGiantLord said:

Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too

Lol. Taking a bit less damage through block is hardly something that makes a champ good against Bullseye. There is nothing on his kit that does anything about the evade, which is the core of the issue with Bullseye.

Wrong.

MCOCHazza

Bastion

Grimmbear said:

EgyptOverseer said:

EdisonLaw said:

FrostGiantLord said:

Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too

Lol. Taking a bit less damage through block is hardly something that makes a champ good against Bullseye. There is nothing on his kit that does anything about the evade, which is the core of the issue with Bullseye.

Wrong.

Jack… not bastion

EdisonLaw

Bastion

WednesdayLength said:

EdisonLaw said:

FrostGiantLord said:

Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too

I think you should spend more time playing the game if you think this is true

Bulwark reduces block damage. One Inflamed can prevent the bleed damage. He doesn't counter his evade, but he doesn't need to.

WednesdayLength

EdisonLaw said:

WednesdayLength said:

EdisonLaw said:

FrostGiantLord said:

Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too

I think you should spend more time playing the game if you think this is true

Bulwark reduces block damage. One Inflamed can prevent the bleed damage. He doesn't counter his evade, but he doesn't need to.

Have fun timing out in bgs I guess

EdisonLaw

Bastion

WednesdayLength said:

EdisonLaw said:

WednesdayLength said:

EdisonLaw said:

FrostGiantLord said:

Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too

I think you should spend more time playing the game if you think this is true

Bulwark reduces block damage. One Inflamed can prevent the bleed damage. He doesn't counter his evade, but he doesn't need to.

Have fun timing out in bgs I guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KYSt7chEG8
Well this proves otherwise