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Jack O Lantern or Bastion?

EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,113 ★★★★★
edited March 28 in General Discussion



So I finally got Bastion yesterday from the arena, just for testing purposes, and I’m wondering. Who is actually better in your opinion? Who’s the better Onslaught counter? Who can take more matchups?
Would you use one over the other if they are better, and why?

Jack O Lantern or Bastion? 189 votes

Bastion
45%
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Jack
44%
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Unsure
10%
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  • Toyota_2015Toyota_2015 Member Posts: 987 ★★★★
    Bastion
    I mean, Bastion just came out so it’s probably going to take a bit of time to figure out how good he actually is. Based off initial reactions, though, I would go Bastion.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,113 ★★★★★
    edited June 10
    Bastion
    Now that the Titan pool has updated, who's better?
  • EgyptOverseerEgyptOverseer Member Posts: 538 ★★★
    From my testing, Bastion is far more sustainable than Jack and can burst down just with SP1s. He also doesn't need dupe and high Sig like Jack does to counter Onslaught.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,113 ★★★★★
    Bastion
    Phantøm_Echø said:

    EgyptOverseer said:

    From my testing, Bastion is far more sustainable than Jack and can burst down just with SP1s. He also doesn't need dupe and high Sig like Jack does to counter Onslaught.

    Jack can still nuke down other matchups like domino, sinister, and now jean faster than bastion especially for BGs
    Bastion can also take those matchups as well, he can even counter Domino's evade with his own pursuit
  • ShoNuff29ShoNuff29 Member Posts: 530 ★★★★
    Jack
    I’ve had Bastion for a while. Love using him, but not having cowardice is definitely problematic. There’s times I’d love to use him but have to leave him on the bench because of that.
  • HoitadoHoitado Member Posts: 3,781 ★★★★★
    Bastion
    Bastion’s Special 1 goes crazy
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 3,239 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Now that the Titan pool has updated, who's better?

    You need to stop lmao
  • JessieSJessieS Member Posts: 1,769 ★★★★★
    TotemCorruption said:

    EgyptOverseer said:

    From my testing, Bastion is far more sustainable than Jack and can burst down just with SP1s. He also doesn't need dupe and high Sig like Jack does to counter Onslaught.

    Jack doesn't need dupe for Onslaught unless you don't know how to dex his specials.
    I can’t dex his specials but I have a duped Jack. I have never really played him . Is he hard to master and how does he counter onslaught ?
  • ToniXD_16ToniXD_16 Member Posts: 262 ★★
    Bastion
    PT_99 said:

    Jack is legit fastest, most safest, reliable Onslaught counter, my r3 takes down r4 in war no stress.
    Plus he's also good against anyone who's not fire and poison immune.

    He's also straightforward nuker, just sp2 spam, finish fights lol 😀

    Bastion I'll say honestly is very very overhyped, be careful with him.
    Not as overhyped as Morbius and Beta ray Bill and maybe he's better than both of them but still,
    Hype to reality ratio is way off.

    Yeah "also good against anyone who isnt inicnirate and poision immune"
    PT_99 said:

    Jack is legit fastest, most safest, reliable Onslaught counter, my r3 takes down r4 in war no stress.
    Plus he's also good against anyone who's not fire and poison immune.

    He's also straightforward nuker, just sp2 spam, finish fights lol 😀

    Bastion I'll say honestly is very very overhyped, be careful with him.
    Not as overhyped as Morbius and Beta ray Bill and maybe he's better than both of them but still,
    Hype to reality ratio is way off.

    Actually just delusional and Bastion doesnt need to worry about anything being immune to his damage
  • AnotherconcernplayerAnotherconcernplayer Member Posts: 156 ★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Now that the Titan pool has updated, who's better?

    Well you already vote for Bastion, I guess that is your choice.

    Based on every saying here the best compromise is R3 Jack and R4 Bastion.

    Since Bastion is slow the extra rank will help him, and Jack don't need 🤣.

    The honest true is I have no idea, I don't know anything about these champs.

    Off topic, how is Iron Heart compare to these 2?
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,455 ★★★★★
    Bastion
    Anotherconcernplayer said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Now that the Titan pool has updated, who's better?

    Well you already vote for Bastion, I guess that is your choice.

    Based on every saying here the best compromise is R3 Jack and R4 Bastion.

    Since Bastion is slow the extra rank will help him, and Jack don't need 🤣.

    The honest true is I have no idea, I don't know anything about these champs.

    Off topic, how is Iron Heart compare to these 2?
    Ironheart has better utility and take more matchups than these two (not sure bout bastion but definitely more utility than jack). But has less damage than these 2.benefit more from r4.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,113 ★★★★★
    Bastion
    ShoNuff29 said:

    I’ve had Bastion for a while. Love using him, but not having cowardice is definitely problematic. There’s times I’d love to use him but have to leave him on the bench because of that.

    He's no coward
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,113 ★★★★★
    Bastion
    FrostGiantLord said:

    Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

    If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,113 ★★★★★
    Bastion
    Anotherconcernplayer said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Now that the Titan pool has updated, who's better?

    Well you already vote for Bastion, I guess that is your choice.

    Based on every saying here the best compromise is R3 Jack and R4 Bastion.

    Since Bastion is slow the extra rank will help him, and Jack don't need 🤣.

    The honest true is I have no idea, I don't know anything about these champs.

    Off topic, how is Iron Heart compare to these 2?
    More utility, but generally slower
  • EgyptOverseerEgyptOverseer Member Posts: 538 ★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    FrostGiantLord said:

    Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

    If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too
    Lol. Taking a bit less damage through block is hardly something that makes a champ good against Bullseye. There is nothing on his kit that does anything about the evade, which is the core of the issue with Bullseye.
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 3,239 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    FrostGiantLord said:

    Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

    If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too
    I think you should spend more time playing the game if you think this is true
  • GrimmbearGrimmbear Member Posts: 644 ★★★
    edited June 15
    Bastion
    EgyptOverseer said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    FrostGiantLord said:

    Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

    If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too
    Lol. Taking a bit less damage through block is hardly something that makes a champ good against Bullseye. There is nothing on his kit that does anything about the evade, which is the core of the issue with Bullseye.
    Wrong.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,113 ★★★★★
    Bastion
    WednesdayLength said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    FrostGiantLord said:

    Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

    If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too
    I think you should spend more time playing the game if you think this is true
    Bulwark reduces block damage. One Inflamed can prevent the bleed damage. He doesn't counter his evade, but he doesn't need to.
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 3,239 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    WednesdayLength said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    FrostGiantLord said:

    Jack is faster, but Bastion has more utility and can take a wider variety of matchups, including other problematic defenders like Bullseye

    If Jack is duped he can take Bullseye too
    I think you should spend more time playing the game if you think this is true
    Bulwark reduces block damage. One Inflamed can prevent the bleed damage. He doesn't counter his evade, but he doesn't need to.
    Have fun timing out in bgs I guess
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