Will Isophyne get rebalanced

EdisonLaw

I know she is kinda decent against cosmics and champs with a lot of buffs, but will she get rebalanced next month? If so, what do you want changed in her kit? For me:

1. She should be able to place Placebo buffs or these blank buffs that don't do anything, but feed her nullify, allow her to take non-high buff matchups as well like Kushala
   
2. She should have some way to deal with nullify immune champs. With 7* Galan coming as a defender, he's immune to nullify so Isophyne won't be able to counter him, unfortunately
   
3. Nullify chance on basics should be increased to 40-50%, because 30% is a bit RNG reliant
   

Thoughts? Any other necessary changes to make her good?

Bendy

I hope so but isnt up to us more on what they find

CandyCane2

Yes she should get rebalanced

She was free so it’s not surprising

Herbal_Taxman

No she shouldn't, she is fine

She would greatly benefit from tweaking some values, as you suggested. I think there’s zero chance they touch her, unfortunately.

Tempest_024

With this new updating cadence, it seems to me that there are limited spots for balance updates. I think champs that are really need balanced will get it and once that need tweaked probably won’t. I don’t think she’ll get updated.

TotemCorruption

Versus Showcase Serpent. I think she's fine.

WednesdayLength

She just needs a higher chance to Nullify and she'll be fine. She doesn't need placebo buffs because she already has a way to gain power in non buff matches and of that triggers more often then her power won't be an issue. I would also argue she can still be a good galan counter since you can fire specials off pretty quickly even in non nullify matches so his charges will be kept lower for sure. Galan isn't that bad of a defender once you know how to play him

Bendy

WednesdayLength said:

She just needs a higher chance to Nullify and she'll be fine. She doesn't need placebo buffs because she already has a way to gain power in non buff matches and of that triggers more often then her power won't be an issue. I would also argue she can still be a good galan counter since you can fire specials off pretty quickly even in non nullify matches so his charges will be kept lower for sure. Galan isn't that bad of a defender once you know how to play him

This is what i think i personally dont think her nullify should be 70% vs pierce it should be always nullify then her normal nullify id say what be fine is 60-65% chance

TheUglyone123

Yes she should get rebalanced

TotemCorruption said:

Versus Showcase Serpent. I think she's fine.

One good matchup does not make a champion great. She’s straight up a bad option against so many other champs and classes.

captain_rogers

No she shouldn't, she is fine

She completely shuts down serpent and is better than spiral in buff heavy matchups. She is mid but what else you expect from a free champ.

Bendy

captain_rogers said:

She completely shuts down serpent and is better than spiral in buff heavy matchups. She is mid but what else you expect from a free champ.

In big buffs just use sym lol who cares about isophyne nullify

Average_Desi

Yes she should get rebalanced

TotemCorruption said:

Versus Showcase Serpent. I think she's fine.

For a champion specifically made for Serpant, she shouldn't be losing 60% health

TotemCorruption

TheUglyone123 said:

TotemCorruption said:

Versus Showcase Serpent. I think she's fine.

One good matchup does not make a champion great. She’s straight up a bad option against so many other champs and classes.

That one good matchup is actually a cheese matchup for her, and also happens to be the most annoying defender who everyone has in their BG deck (or War map). So who really cares how she fares against champs who don't have buffs or can't be nullified?

EdisonLaw

Yes she should get rebalanced

Average_Desi said:

TotemCorruption said:

Versus Showcase Serpent. I think she's fine.

For a champion specifically made for Serpant, she shouldn't be losing 60% health

Yeah like Spiral and Shathra don’t lose much health against Serpent, so should she

TotemCorruption

Average_Desi said:

TotemCorruption said:

Versus Showcase Serpent. I think she's fine.

For a champion specifically made for Serpant, she shouldn't be losing 60% health

No, she lost 60% health against earlier fights in the showcase, I think Scream maybe?
She didn't lose health against Serpent.

TotemCorruption

EdisonLaw said:

Average_Desi said:

TotemCorruption said:

Versus Showcase Serpent. I think she's fine.

For a champion specifically made for Serpant, she shouldn't be losing 60% health

Yeah like Spiral and Shathra don’t lose much health against Serpent, so should she

This was R3 sig 20 vs R4 sig 200, and I probably missed a parry too and ate a combo.
I don't know about Spiral, it seems like she's as good or even better as a Serpent counter than Isophyne, but I have Shathra and would always take Isophyne over Shathra for Serpent. Not that Shathra's bad, but you have to play more carefully than with Isophyne.

Average_Desi

Yes she should get rebalanced

TotemCorruption said:

EdisonLaw said:

Average_Desi said:

TotemCorruption said:

Versus Showcase Serpent. I think she's fine.

For a champion specifically made for Serpant, she shouldn't be losing 60% health

Yeah like Spiral and Shathra don’t lose much health against Serpent, so should she

This was R3 sig 20 vs R4 sig 200, and I probably missed a parry too and ate a combo.
I don't know about Spiral, it seems like she's as good or even better as a Serpent counter than Isophyne, but I have Shathra and would always take Isophyne over Shathra for Serpent. Not that Shathra's bad, but you have to play more carefully than with Isophyne.

Oh okay

altavista

I just took her in for a path in Act 9.2 where defender armor buffs increase their combat power rating. Theoretically, Isophyne should be dominating since all the matchups are buff heavy.

But, she just didn’t feel that great. Unreliable basic attack nullify means that I’d have to bait a lot more specials if I didn’t have an SP1 banked. While she did okay, I never felt like I was dominating.

In comparison, I barely had to alter my playstyle with America chavez or Kushala and was just dominating.

Yes its not fair to Isophyne to compare her to the top mystics, but thought it instructive that she doesn’t feel that amazing even in buff heavy matchups.

Pikolu

A little bit of a crit chance with her egos would go a long way. I really enjoy her and have her at r3 on both my alt and main. She isn't an amazing BGs champion, but she is a very nice story and questing champion. Her wither alone is helpful against a ton of enemies, and nodes are typically placing buffs of some sort on enemies anyways. I find her fun, but also understand that some people will never like a champion unless everything they do is the best of the best and someone else can't do it better.

ShashankGupta

In my opinion her nullify chance should be around 50% and 100% against cosmic champs and reduce the number of energy vulnerability from 8 to 6 by compensating the amount
And for each vulnerability she should gain extra critical rating
And her sp2 fury should last for around 10 seconds and paused during opponent special attacks so her basic attacks can also deal some damage as currently it only stays for sp2
And for sp3 her degen should also deal some better damage else change it to something different which coordinate with energy vulnerability like shock plasma or incinterate
And I think change her sig regen from missing health to max health if that's possible or else give her genesis passive which deathless Thanos has on sp1 so she can regen whole hitting the opponent
These little changes will make her suitable for every game mode
Is my suggestions any good ?

Squidopus

Yes she should get rebalanced

ShashankGupta said:

In my opinion her nullify chance should be around 50% and 100% against cosmic champs and reduce the number of energy vulnerability from 8 to 6 by compensating the amount
And for each vulnerability she should gain extra critical rating
And her sp2 fury should last for around 10 seconds and paused during opponent special attacks so her basic attacks can also deal some damage as currently it only stays for sp2
And for sp3 her degen should also deal some better damage else change it to something different which coordinate with energy vulnerability like shock plasma or incinterate
And I think change her sig regen from missing health to max health if that's possible or else give her genesis passive which deathless Thanos has on sp1 so she can regen whole hitting the opponent
These little changes will make her suitable for every game mode
Is my suggestions any good ?

Feels like calling these little changes is a stretch.

Squidopus

Yes she should get rebalanced

Beside the oft-mentioned issue with inconsistent crits, I feel like the only major change I’m interested in is not necessarily increased nullify chance as much as just boosting the power gain when triggering nullify against non-buffed opponents. I run 4/5 MD and the discrepancy between Isophyne’s performance in buff-heavy matchups and matchups with no buffs often comes down to the drastically reduced power gain. With 4/5 MD, a successful nullify nets them 8% max power or 24% of a bar, whereas if there’s no buffs they only get 10% of a bar, less than half. Obviously, if you run 5/5 MD the discrepancy is even larger. I feel like boosting that power gain per rank invested in MD might help them out with feeling so heavily dependent on buffs, because even in matchups with some buffs like Serpent I feel like there’s often not enough for Isophyne to go really wild before they’re stuck relying on the weaker no-buffs power gain.

Bosley

Unsure

I put unsure because the post asks if she WILL get rebalanced, yet the poll is asking of she SHOULD. Definitely not the same.....

EdisonLaw

Yes she should get rebalanced

May is here, and around this time, we should know if she will get rebalanced or not. Let’s hope for the best

WednesdayLength

Bendy said:

WednesdayLength said:

She just needs a higher chance to Nullify and she'll be fine. She doesn't need placebo buffs because she already has a way to gain power in non buff matches and of that triggers more often then her power won't be an issue. I would also argue she can still be a good galan counter since you can fire specials off pretty quickly even in non nullify matches so his charges will be kept lower for sure. Galan isn't that bad of a defender once you know how to play him

This is what i think i personally dont think her nullify should be 70% vs pierce it should be always nullify then her normal nullify id say what be fine is 60-65% chance

Bendy said:

WednesdayLength said:

She just needs a higher chance to Nullify and she'll be fine. She doesn't need placebo buffs because she already has a way to gain power in non buff matches and of that triggers more often then her power won't be an issue. I would also argue she can still be a good galan counter since you can fire specials off pretty quickly even in non nullify matches so his charges will be kept lower for sure. Galan isn't that bad of a defender once you know how to play him

This is what i think i personally dont think her nullify should be 70% vs pierce it should be always nullify then her normal nullify id say what be fine is 60-65% chance

I honestly like like, 45% max is fair

Flavyjay

Yes she should get rebalanced

In my opinions her biggest problem are her crit rate 19% base crit chance like bruh even Hyperion has better crit chance

EdisonLaw

Yes she should get rebalanced

So, Isophyne is getting no changes, how do we feel?

PT_99

Yes she should get rebalanced

EdisonLaw said:

So, Isophyne is getting no changes, how do we feel?

I feel like she's now going to forgotten realm.

Shahthra, Spiral, Kushala already beat serpent way better than Mid-O-phyne.

Other than Serpent, every other top mystic have better stats and playstyle, so yeah, I'm so glad I waited till balance announcement before giving her any amount of iso and gold.

Kinda expected when Kabam gives away new heroes for free. 💯

Herbal_Taxman

No she shouldn't, she is fine

I never use her except for the old coldsnap / bleed hazard shift AW node when a cosmic was placed there. Otherwise, she’s just gathering dust.