Is Tigra too Strong to be a 7*?

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First and foremost, the majority will spam disagree on this because its a good addition to the Ring of Fire pool, which was originally Nick Fury with fillers. The point of the thread is to consider an objective outlook on her impact in BGs as you'll get nukes with her, but so will your opponent (which means if you're f2p or wont spend the odin for a shot at the crystal then you're SOL)

See below for the points / counterarguments id like to make

#1 the game has shifted to champion releases which consist of 3 bars to get the nuke in BGs. For example, the classic sp1 sp2 or sp2 sp1 rotation. However, Tigra is one of those champs that will nuke plenty of matches in just a single sp2. And imagine an r4 punching down against an r3.

#2 Her skill requirement is significantly less in BGs. This reason and #3 below are likely the justifications Kabam used to proceed with her release, because "not everyone can play her". Well what if i told you im BGs with smaller health pools, her skill requirement is significantly less



This was my 1st ever tigra match from ages ago, and she completely destroyed it. Same rank champs, but tigra will even be able to punch up very well

#3 "she needs high sig" - this is one of the weakest arguments imo as it will age very poorly with time. We have an increased availability of sig stones , with them popping in SDE (and now in titan form), and theyre only going to get even more available.

#4 Her insane versatility- unlike spiral who's mainly used for serpent, idoom whos used for bishop etc, tigra works for several matchups in various classes like sentinel, thing, kindred, red skull, nick fury, and many more.

#5 Her viability - juggernaut the strongest attacker doesnt work in half of the metas since hes hindered by debuffs or anti buff metas. Tigra will work for a bunch of metas . Its a very small number of nodes that will shut her down like force of will or additional ability accuracy

If for some reason, this still hasnt convinced you yet , then this is a top BGs player (so easily more than skilled to use her outside BGs) saying the same thing. she literally took 15 defenders in 10 minutes.

https://youtu.be/cEqS1SJsDJ8?si=fbxjWpmCEVDaulTs

Cloudddey_bro

At sig 200 yes. Literally one sp2 is gonna kill everything. Now if they drop or Hulkling I wouldn’t be too surprised if they’re allowing Tigra

Yodabolt21

She is just as much of a nuke as Juggs or Silk, who don't need sigs to be OP.

So no, she isn't too much strong to be a 7*. The only champs, IMO, that are "too strong" as 7* for BGs, are Hulkling, Torch and AA. And each of them are debatable depending on the meta.

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Cloudddey_bro said:

At sig 200 yes. Literally one sp2 is gonna kill everything. Now if they drop or Hulkling I wouldn’t be too surprised if they’re allowing Tigra

Exactly. In the screenshot i showed, she did that fight in 27s. Thats already faster than Hulkling. So hulkling shouldnt be "off the table".

Oh and Unlike hulkling or juggs that need to crit (assuming juggs even works) , tigra isnt reliant on it. Chavez another strong mystic but she needs those crits to take fights like Onslaught, and even then she cant work for all cosmics like Medusa who have autoblock. Tigra ignores every cosmics abilities in the game lol and nukes serpent on top of the defenders i listed in the original thread

CandyCane2

What exactly is “too strong”?

Chris_Summers

They’re going to eventually have nearly all champs (excluding the Herc/Magik/Quake dilemma) as 7*s, so why the big fuss over “omg he’s too strong” or “omg that one is a cheese”… just be excited they’re coming… 🙄

Buttehrs

Sure, she'll be very strong as a 7*. Until we start seeing r5s r6s and 8* then the cycle repeats.

Ragnaruk5178

She’s not too strong she can’t punish every single special and although there are some specials where she kind of can, sometimes she leaves enough room for the opponent to attack her because of an incomplete heavy ( tough spacing) She also relies on opponent heavies a bit too much, resulting in a lot of block dmage despite the bonus of a stat focus. It’s like nefaria, minus the unfazed problem. If he can inflict energy vulnerability he cooks. If not he is still awesome but nowhere near as fast. Also some champs just can’t miss. She’ll cook as a 7 star but still is far from the top top 5 of the mystic class ( imo)

Ragnaruk5178

Also tigra is heavily reliant on debuffs and she does not ignore all cosmic abilities. Serpent can still go death immune and she has no effect on buffs that were already there prior the neitralise( serpent for one starts off with a power gain buff at the start of the match) and so does aarkus

Ragnaruk5178

Also yeah they would never release archangel or torch . Hulkling isn’t too powerful so I can see that happening although he is certainly great. They released gladiator I mean and his damage is truly egregious

Emilia90

Ragnaruk5178 said:

Also yeah they would never release archangel or torch . Hulkling isn’t too powerful so I can see that happening although he is certainly great. They released gladiator I mean and his damage is truly egregious

HT and AA are much more likely than Hulkling, what are you even on about

Sceptilemaniac2

What's with the spiral slandner recently?
She's actually really really good for so many things.

Captainaiden

Tigra is for skill player, but you can learn to play her. What i cannot believe is someone call her decent.

BeastDad

Absolutely not.

altavista

Are you seriously trying to argue that Tigra shouldn't become a 7-star that can be used in any game mode, because she's too powerful for BGs?

This is one of those BG centric "problems" that can be solved... by banning the champion during the match.

EdisonLaw

No, she benefits greatly from the dupe plus sigs, and high skill

Pikolu

7* tigra means I'd be one step closer to trying out Fintech's challenge

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EdisonLaw said:

No, she benefits greatly from the dupe plus sigs, and high skill

Did you even read the thread? These were addressed in points 2 and 3

Herbal_Taxman

Ragnaruk5178 said:

Also yeah they would never release archangel or torch . Hulkling isn’t too powerful so I can see that happening although he is certainly great. They released gladiator I mean and his damage is truly egregious

Gladiator?

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altavista said:

Are you seriously trying to argue that Tigra shouldn't become a 7-star that can be used in any game mode, because she's too powerful for BGs?

This is one of those BG centric "problems" that can be solved... by banning the champion during the match.

Im not saying she shouldn't ever be one, im saying as of the games current meta in BGs, she would be too strong. If people actually read the points i dropped, it would make more sense. And no, "just ban them" is thrown around as a band aid solution way more often than not.

The games been introducing champs with 3 bars of power to kill like dazzler, x force and others. Tigra just needs 1 sp2, and she does fights faster than CGR/Hulkling, and does more matchups than 90% of champions in the game, and shes not hindered in metas the way Juggernaut is. I used mine all the time in BGs before r3 were a thing, and i nuked fights faster than it takes me to put a tie on.

Gamer

Polygon said:

altavista said:

Are you seriously trying to argue that Tigra shouldn't become a 7-star that can be used in any game mode, because she's too powerful for BGs?

This is one of those BG centric "problems" that can be solved... by banning the champion during the match.

Im not saying she shouldn't ever be one, im saying as of the games current meta in BGs, she would be too strong. If people actually read the points i dropped, it would make more sense. And no, "just ban them" is thrown around as a band aid solution way more often than not.

The games been introducing champs with 3 bars of power to kill like dazzler, x force and others. Tigra just needs 1 sp2, and she does fights faster than CGR/Hulkling, and does more matchups than 90% of champions in the game, and shes not hindered in metas the way Juggernaut is. I used mine all the time in BGs before r3 were a thing, and i nuked fights faster than it takes me to put a tie on.

Just put true fouce one all node then she pretty much done for when it comes for her to miss. At least

Emilia90

Polygon said:

altavista said:

Are you seriously trying to argue that Tigra shouldn't become a 7-star that can be used in any game mode, because she's too powerful for BGs?

This is one of those BG centric "problems" that can be solved... by banning the champion during the match.

Im not saying she shouldn't ever be one, im saying as of the games current meta in BGs, she would be too strong. If people actually read the points i dropped, it would make more sense. And no, "just ban them" is thrown around as a band aid solution way more often than not.

The games been introducing champs with 3 bars of power to kill like dazzler, x force and others. Tigra just needs 1 sp2, and she does fights faster than CGR/Hulkling, and does more matchups than 90% of champions in the game, and shes not hindered in metas the way Juggernaut is. I used mine all the time in BGs before r3 were a thing, and i nuked fights faster than it takes me to put a tie on.

She still has limitations and is balanced. Can’t take Photon, Bullseye, isn’t ideal for onslaught. She can do a lot and can do stuff fast but she’s not an answer to everything and needs an investment. She’s also a pure attacker so I think she’s perfectly fine

Tigra can be played by someone without extensive skill but you really want to know the spacing of a ton of things to maximize her and whiff attacks etc.

altavista

Polygon said:

altavista said:

Are you seriously trying to argue that Tigra shouldn't become a 7-star that can be used in any game mode, because she's too powerful for BGs?

This is one of those BG centric "problems" that can be solved... by banning the champion during the match.

Im not saying she shouldn't ever be one, im saying as of the games current meta in BGs, she would be too strong. If people actually read the points i dropped, it would make more sense. And no, "just ban them" is thrown around as a band aid solution way more often than not.

The games been introducing champs with 3 bars of power to kill like dazzler, x force and others. Tigra just needs 1 sp2, and she does fights faster than CGR/Hulkling, and does more matchups than 90% of champions in the game, and shes not hindered in metas the way Juggernaut is. I used mine all the time in BGs before r3 were a thing, and i nuked fights faster than it takes me to put a tie on.

I won't pretend to know the intricacies of high level BGs, but isn't this part of just normal BG competition? Drafting attackers, drafting defenders, drafting counters, and then planning for how the opponent might do each round. Whether there are new OP attackers or OP defenders doesn't change what players do to win or lose a match.

For example - opponent drafts Deadpool. I know that he will bypass any immunities. I know he can end a fight pretty quickly. After drafting is complete, I know whether I will lose the Deadpool round based on time or not (if I don't have anyone who can finish fights quickly), or potentially win because I placed a defender that will slow him down.

Same thing with Tigra - it doesn't matter if she can finish a fight in 2 bars of power in the best case scenario. If you or the opponent draft one, you just strategize around that. It might be an automatic round win for you or your opponent, and you adjust.

And since you don't like the Ban option - just carry some rupture immune champions in your deck to place on defense if you're scared of Tigra. Or Bullseye.

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Emilia90 said:

Polygon said:

altavista said:

Are you seriously trying to argue that Tigra shouldn't become a 7-star that can be used in any game mode, because she's too powerful for BGs?

This is one of those BG centric "problems" that can be solved... by banning the champion during the match.

Im not saying she shouldn't ever be one, im saying as of the games current meta in BGs, she would be too strong. If people actually read the points i dropped, it would make more sense. And no, "just ban them" is thrown around as a band aid solution way more often than not.

The games been introducing champs with 3 bars of power to kill like dazzler, x force and others. Tigra just needs 1 sp2, and she does fights faster than CGR/Hulkling, and does more matchups than 90% of champions in the game, and shes not hindered in metas the way Juggernaut is. I used mine all the time in BGs before r3 were a thing, and i nuked fights faster than it takes me to put a tie on.

She still has limitations and is balanced. Can’t take Photon, Bullseye, isn’t ideal for onslaught. She can do a lot and can do stuff fast but she’s not an answer to everything and needs an investment. She’s also a pure attacker so I think she’s perfectly fine

Tigra can be played by someone without extensive skill but you really want to know the spacing of a ton of things to maximize her and whiff attacks etc.

Im not saying shes the best champ in the game that handles everything, as even quake has limitations and even in more matchups than tigra does (both power gain and evade bypass). However quake won't ever see light of the day. (She also has no defensive value and is a pure attacker).

This above example is just a hyperbole, but you dont need her to address every champ becuase you have other champs in your deck, for example crossbones for that photon, the gazillion bullseye counters, etc you get my point.

The argument im making of her being too op (at least to release this early) is that she takes more defenders than 90% of attackers, isnt neutered by as many nodes as juggernaut or cgr is , and is faster than a lot of nukes, some that arent even 7* yet like Hulkling

SirGamesBond

Idc. She is behind a very massive paywalll or luck. everyone wont get her. everyone who gets her wont upgrade her.. that's how they have been controlling the impact of useful champs in rare pools.
It's all about the money.

Asher1_1

No because u need high enough skill to know the spacing & heavy punish .
So high skill - high reward

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Asher1_1 said:

No because u need high enough skill to know the spacing & heavy punish .
So high skill - high reward

You dont need as high skill to use her in BGs, other places with higher health pools sure. Im nothing special and got tons of nukes with her. Trappy even said the same thing. This narrative people are spinning about her high skill ceiling is bullocks and are from predominantly people that never bothered to rank/use her in BGs

NONYABIZZ

All you did was make me NEED tigra even more.

Also, why are you against her 7star release, its literally one more great champion for players to use. Why are you complaining.
If you think she's gonna wreck your defenders hit that ban button problem solved.

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NONYABIZZ

NONYABIZZ said:

All you did was make me NEED tigra even more.

Also, why are you against her 7star release, its literally one more great champion for players to use. Why are you complaining.
If you think she's gonna wreck your defenders hit that ban button problem solved.

I actually wrote a LONG THESIS on why I think you're worrying over nothing and she will not break the game. I even threw in my history with playing her and was meant to edit it into that comment but it was so long that the edit window timed out and what I wrote is lost in the void so, I GIVE UP.

phillgreen

If I don't ban it, the other guy still needs to draft, I need to be silly enough to place ideal matchups as defenders and the other guy needs to be smart enough to play properly.

Not concerned, if I see a loss trend it'll be a ban from then on.