The fall off of Chavez has gotta be studied

It’s a real shame, she was my second 7* R3 after Hulk and the one that made me Valiant. She was one of if not my most used champions only a year or so ago i mean what happened?

We’ve had quite a lot of really solid mystics recently, both in terms of new champions and additions to the 7* pool. Tanky defenders with energy and crit resistance are coming back (look at Sentinel and Zola just to name a couple). In terms of serpent counters she’s no longer number 1 and I guess she just struggles to keep up with the truly amazing attackers we’ve seen added to both the game and the 7* pool recently.

No real point to this thread other than to say this, does anyone else stand by her or is the time of Chavez over? Also what other 7* champions from the base pool have suffered “fall offs” over the course of the couple of years that 7*s have been with us?

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ThatGuyYouSaw235

who said she fell off?

TP33

who said she fell off?

I am based on the fact that not only am I observing that I’m using her less, but that when she released she was almost the go to to R3 as a 7* mystic. How many R4 Chavez’s are we seeing right now? It’s a fact that she’s not having the same sort of hype as she was a year or two ago

NONYABIZZ

This post hurt me but even i know it isn't a lie
It was gonna be said sooner or later.
She's one of my most wanted 7 stars still, I still use the 6star. I just don't see her talked much about anymore or see her getting used much.

I'd argue kushala is the better mystic now but chavez is still my favorite. Maybe im biased cos I used kushala alot in 9.2 where you ALWAYS needed nullify champs.
It was very surprising how she wasn't the go to r4 option for alot of the mystics.

I wouldn't exactly say she's fallen off but I'd put kushala above her now a few months ago it would have been her over kushala.
Also, she's still the most obvious choice for serpent in battlegrounds, how many people run spiral? If I get a Serpent, first thing on my mind is to draft chavez (even if its the 6star).

I also do agree that she struggles to keep up with the recent battlegrounds attackers we've gotten but she does good enough, she pops off with cosmics and does good enough with there are no buffs.

And finally, she can easily come back all she needs is an endgame quest (like epoch) where she meets the requirements of a few fights and best believe everyone will be singing her praises again.

Herbal_Taxman

I think it’s just the natural progression of the game. But I don’t think she’s fallen off as much as the seven stars have improved around her.

Regarding r4s specifically, I don’t feel like I’ve seen a lot of mystics, period. Some Kushalas, a handful of Shathras. But not many compared to the other classes.

TP33

Also, she's still the most obvious choice for serpent in battlegrounds, how many people run spiral? If I get a Serpent, first thing on my mind is to draft chavez (even if its the 6star).

The most common maybe but once spiral makes it to the basic that’s gonna change. I mean I see a lot of spirals and she is a much better counter for serpent than Chavez. Let’s be fr she is a hard counter to the guy it’s basically her purpose in the game, it’s only because more people have Chavez on account of her being a launch pool 7*

NONYABIZZ

Ehh, PERSONALLY, being a Serpent counter is not enough reason to make me rank up spiral, there's really nothing I need her for.
I'd rather invest in a number 2 option which can take 15 more fights than a number 1 option which can take 3 more fights (those 3 fights being maestro, Hyperion and sersi).

Obviously an exaggeration but people aren't gonna remove chavez from their decks for spiral lmao.

Average_Desi

People just aren't using her. She's still just as strong even now

Darthbane3141

This is super weird, Chavez was also my Valiant rank 3 after Hulk. But she hasn't fallen off, she's still really useful and a great champion.

Buttehrs

Metas change over time. Top champs become not top champs eventually. Remember when blade was the absolute best champ in game?

ThatGuyYouSaw235

who said she fell off?
I am based on the fact that not only am I observing that I’m using her less, but that when she released she was almost the go to to R3 as a 7* mystic. How many R4 Chavez’s are we seeing right now? It’s a fact that she’s not having the same sort of hype as she was a year or two ago

yes because you're the leading expert on America Chavez of course

CandyCane2

More like isophyne and her fall off

Captainaiden

she is my first r3 and not using her much now, but it's doesn't mean she is fall off, still kicking especially when dealing with cosmic champs

Azdef

Just r4 maxed sig'd her over all the other better ones...

startropics

chavez is still great but she's 100% falling off in war after the map update.

we've got a bunch of extra nodes that are messing with her: steady perseverance, obstinate charge, stun immunity, rage, and safeguard.

PT_99

Well Kabam do mess with her rotations like stun immunity nodes, "can't use same special in row" nodes, "can't throw heavy in row" nodes etc etc in war and BG.

She's getting juggernaut treatment, one debuff on him and he starts to cry but outside of that, both of them are top, just not r4 worthy yet because there are much better heroes in other classes and because getting to multiple r4 isn't very easy currently.

TotemCorruption

She's still a BG nuke as long as the nodes don't mess with her mechanics.

NONYABIZZ

Txthree1710

Chavez will be top pick in this power gain meta and boosting mystic champs. But she won't be good in final GC meta. That's just meta does to champs.

Beerus2Strong

who said she fell off?
I am based on the fact that not only am I observing that I’m using her less, but that when she released she was almost the go to to R3 as a 7* mystic. How many R4 Chavez’s are we seeing right now? It’s a fact that she’s not having the same sort of hype as she was a year or two ago
yes because you're the leading expert on America Chavez of course

Damn! Some wake up on the wrong side of the bed for real. Had a bad dream?

shield311

what the yap? she's nowhere close to being "falling off" lmao she's very much relevant in bgs and war, counters every power gain node in updated map, very good for upcoming VT meta, still a better counter to serpent than isomid and spiral entering basic pool has nothing to do with chavez being relevant as a serpent counter, spiral's only task to to counter serpent and that wraps her up while chavez does alot more.

She has nice utility, very good damage and still a overall top mystic, she can do some matchups better than kushala and vice versa. Every comment here that said chavez is falling off or not that good in war anymore makes 0 sense.

captain_rogers

Watch her get back to track on next meta (Literally made for her, she likely can even take bullseyes next meta)

Skyfaw

Ehh, PERSONALLY, being a Serpent counter is not enough reason to make me rank up spiral, there's really nothing I need her for.
I'd rather invest in a number 2 option which can take 15 more fights than a number 1 option which can take 3 more fights (those 3 fights being maestro, Hyperion and sersi).

Obviously an exaggeration but people aren't gonna remove chavez from their decks for spiral lmao.

Eh I’m in m1/c6 and I don’t really see Chavez all that often anymore. I have a r3 sig 100 Chavez and I don’t have her in my BG deck. She is considerably slower than a lot of the other mystics to justify running her in for competitive reasons.

Polygon

The problem with chavez is consistency. When she crits a lot on her sp2, she can even nuke Onslaught quick. If she doesnt crit, its risky if your opponent has a decently favorable match. The sp2 regen is pretty clutch for some fights

The opposite of the "powercreep" on her will happen to Tigra when shes in the 7* pool because she works for a ton of the matchups chavez doesn't work in, but also does the matchups she does much quicker

ThatGuyYouSaw235

who said she fell off?
I am based on the fact that not only am I observing that I’m using her less, but that when she released she was almost the go to to R3 as a 7* mystic. How many R4 Chavez’s are we seeing right now? It’s a fact that she’s not having the same sort of hype as she was a year or two ago
yes because you're the leading expert on America Chavez of course
Damn! Some wake up on the wrong side of the bed for real. Had a bad dream?

nah boss i saw an opportunity and took it, no hard feelings to everyone involved

captain_rogers

Ehh, PERSONALLY, being a Serpent counter is not enough reason to make me rank up spiral, there's really nothing I need her for.
I'd rather invest in a number 2 option which can take 15 more fights than a number 1 option which can take 3 more fights (those 3 fights being maestro, Hyperion and sersi).

Obviously an exaggeration but people aren't gonna remove chavez from their decks for spiral lmao.
Eh I’m in m1/c6 and I don’t really see Chavez all that often anymore. I have a r3 sig 100 Chavez and I don’t have her in my BG deck. She is considerably slower than a lot of the other mystics to justify running her in for competitive reasons.

Name the mystics who are faster than her? I'm genuinely curious.

I'm pretty sure spiral is not faster than Chavez outside serpent matchups.

Asher1_1

Who said she fell off ???
She is still goated people just ranked other because of prestige or high bg dual threat like onslaught + Thanos + photon

Mystic class I have seen mainly R4 shathra because of prestige

Furrymoosen

It's a pretty absurd claim to say that the queen of the mystic class has fallen off, but I guess at the same time it just says how good the mystic class is.
But you honestly just have to be terrible to think she's lost anything.

Ragnaruk5178

I know what you mean. Chavez is good but doesn’t take as much matchups like wolf and Kushala does. Maybe that’s why?

Ragnaruk5178

Still excellent though

BuggyDClown

She never rised for me atleast