AI power gain issue

_puy000_

AI is such a big problem that needs to be fixed. I was fighting a Hyperion in war using gentle in war because I needed a coda champ.

This shouldn’t have been a problem except for the fact that the ai went from s1-s3 through power gain. I wasn’t blocking or attacking(except every now and then a hit to the block), he just sat there refreshing his power gain every couple of seconds.

Please fix this Kabam, I lost an attack bonus when I shouldn’t have.

JESUSCHRIST

Hyperion is GOAT

Asher1_1

That's not an issue , it's there since hype was added in the game - u need to bring counter for powergain

_puy000_

Asher1_1 said:

That's not an issue , it's there since hype was added in the game - u need to bring counter for powergain

You’re supposed to be able to bait out specials though. Him sitting there for two bars of power without using it, and then instantly using his sp3 is ridiculous.

I was limited to coda champs otherwise I would have brought someone like doom.

BringPopcorn

Or you can use a non coda and dance a bit until the unblockable is gone after the special....

_puy000_

BringPopcorn said:

Or you can use a non coda and dance a bit until the unblockable is gone after the special....

I could have you’re right, but I also needed gentle for other fights down the line though and I didn’t feel like dancing around the unblockable

BringPopcorn

_puy000_ said:

BringPopcorn said:

Or you can use a non coda and dance a bit until the unblockable is gone after the special....

I could have you’re right, but I also needed gentle for other fights down the line though and I didn’t feel like dancing around the unblockable

Coda or non coda you needed a power control champ not a tactic. Hyperions AI has always turtled a bit.

PT_99

Imagine being this brave to fight Hyperion in war without power gain counter hero 💀

Hyperion AI will either throw specials back to back or he will fold arms and stare at you with smirk as he reaches sp3,
Nothing else.

Squidopus

Genesis is such a nothing tactic, you definitely should’ve just conceded the unblockable and brought a proper Hype counter. Especially so when a champ that controls his power and prevents him from throwing specials outright prevents him from triggering the tactic unblockable anyways. Even without Coda champs, if you just punish the opponent’s special then most of the unblockable time is wasted because the opponent is too busy being combo’d to try hitting you. I find that Hype nowadays is actually very willing to throw his specials, but if you find differently or just don’t want the risk that’s absolutely the way to go.

If you were absolutely adamant that you needed a Coda champ for some reason and couldn’t afford dedicating one of your other two team slots for a better Hype counter, there’s still Coda attackers that can stifle his power gain. Champs like Purg, Destroyer, and Spidey Supreme can either control power gain or stymie power gain buffs, and Iceman can eat an occasional sp3 to the face.

_puy000_

BringPopcorn said:

_puy000_ said:

BringPopcorn said:

Or you can use a non coda and dance a bit until the unblockable is gone after the special....

I could have you’re right, but I also needed gentle for other fights down the line though and I didn’t feel like dancing around the unblockable

Coda or non coda you needed a power control champ not a tactic. Hyperions AI has always turtled a bit.

I suppose, I’ve noticed that this happens with other champs as well not just Hyperion

_puy000_

Squidopus said:

Genesis is such a nothing tactic, you definitely should’ve just conceded the unblockable and brought a proper Hype counter. Especially so when a champ that controls his power and prevents him from throwing specials outright prevents him from triggering the tactic unblockable anyways. Even without Coda champs, if you just punish the opponent’s special then most of the unblockable time is wasted because the opponent is too busy being combo’d to try hitting you. I find that Hype nowadays is actually very willing to throw his specials, but if you find differently or just don’t want the risk that’s absolutely the way to go.

If you were absolutely adamant that you needed a Coda champ for some reason and couldn’t afford dedicating one of your other two team slots for a better Hype counter, there’s still Coda attackers that can stifle his power gain. Champs like Purg, Destroyer, and Spidey Supreme can either control power gain or stymie power gain buffs, and Iceman can eat an occasional sp3 to the face.

I can’t argue with that, thinking I needed coda was a mistake on my part

Masquirade

Hyperion's been like this for almost 9 years 😂 if you can't control his power or his power gain, then you're rolling a dice, pure and simple buddy - you're not obliged to get your attack bonus on every fight.

Masquirade

PT_99 said:

Imagine being this brave to fight Hyperion in war without power gain counter hero 💀

Hyperion AI will either throw specials back to back or he will fold arms and stare at you with smirk as he reaches sp3,
Nothing else.

I've never considered how troll his block animation is 😂 invisible taunt debuff haha

World Eater

There are special 3, reduced damage boosts in the loyalty store that you could use to help mitigate some of the damage

_puy000_

Masquirade said:

PT_99 said:

Imagine being this brave to fight Hyperion in war without power gain counter hero 💀

Hyperion AI will either throw specials back to back or he will fold arms and stare at you with smirk as he reaches sp3,
Nothing else.

I've never considered how troll his block animation is 😂 invisible taunt debuff haha

I didn’t either at first, it’s kinda funny

Herbal_Taxman

If you don’t have a buff or power control champ, the trick against Hyp is to never finish a combo. Three or four hits, then back off. He will almost always throw a special, especially if he’s got an sp1.

Ansh_A

Everyone is focused on Hyperion but the issue is power gain with this AI.

I faced Dragon Man in AQ who went straight to sp3 and launched it. Not a big deal but lost a chunk of health as a result. Then same issue with Mordo who is a boss on the side quest, he stands with his back to the wall and launches his sp 3 instantly when he gets it. At least in Mordo's case, i could restart and use a power control/unblockable champ instead of a evade counter champ. Lost the one time resources for the restart but wasnt going to waste revives on a side quest.

Masquirade

Ansh_A said:

Everyone is focused on Hyperion but the issue is power gain with this AI.

I faced Dragon Man in AQ who went straight to sp3 and launched it. Not a big deal but lost a chunk of health as a result. Then same issue with Mordo who is a boss on the side quest, he stands with his back to the wall and launches his sp 3 instantly when he gets it. At least in Mordo's case, i could restart and use a power control/unblockable champ instead of a evade counter champ. Lost the one time resources for the restart but wasnt going to waste revives on a side quest.

Mordo doesn't do a lot of damage through his SP3 which I can only imagine was a Kabam balance measure when he was released. He is designed to turtle up when he hits his power gain, and in the last couple of seconds leading up to it. Couple of tips;

- in Mordo's case, as he gets close to his power gain he'll start to back up before blocking in the corner, if left late enough you can literally take your hands off your device and let your champ run straight forward without danger. As he corners himself you have a good chance at heavy attacking his block which cancels the power gain. You can also occasionally slow down a combo and finish the 5 hit as his power gain buff starts, cancelling it.

- Dragon Man pauses his power gain if you stun him, this includes parries.

- If power gain is an issue for you, Wither and/or Petrify debuffs slow down the power gain and can eventually reverse it if potent enough, Void is the first champ that I can remember ever using petrify and does so very well, and Quicksilver can inflict Wither very very easily. Taunt Debuff champs will also increase the likelihood of the defender throwing their special.

Sorry if you're aware of all of the above, hope it's useful.

BringPopcorn

Ansh_A said:

Everyone is focused on Hyperion but the issue is power gain with this AI.

I faced Dragon Man in AQ who went straight to sp3 and launched it. Not a big deal but lost a chunk of health as a result. Then same issue with Mordo who is a boss on the side quest, he stands with his back to the wall and launches his sp 3 instantly when he gets it. At least in Mordo's case, i could restart and use a power control/unblockable champ instead of a evade counter champ. Lost the one time resources for the restart but wasnt going to waste revives on a side quest.

Different champions have different AI profiles. Power gain champs turtle it is known, same for America Chavez throwing heavies quite often and sometimes throwing them in places that make no sense.

Sachhyam257

BringPopcorn said:

Ansh_A said:

Everyone is focused on Hyperion but the issue is power gain with this AI.

I faced Dragon Man in AQ who went straight to sp3 and launched it. Not a big deal but lost a chunk of health as a result. Then same issue with Mordo who is a boss on the side quest, he stands with his back to the wall and launches his sp 3 instantly when he gets it. At least in Mordo's case, i could restart and use a power control/unblockable champ instead of a evade counter champ. Lost the one time resources for the restart but wasnt going to waste revives on a side quest.

Different champions have different AI profiles. Power gain champs turtle it is known, same for America Chavez throwing heavies quite often and sometimes throwing them in places that make no sense.

Adding in some more:

- Onslaught & ench with their 5 combo into block when you need them to throw heavy to get openings/ remove spells.

- Intercepting onslaught is the go-to play, but his AI also has that bozo gene that turns him into prime MSD light intercepting you.

- Mordo holding that block button while he has power gain:



Moral of the story:

Different champs, different profiles, same a**hole AI. Atleast it's consistent, I'll give it that (consistently rude af 🙃).

_puy000_

Sachhyam257 said:

BringPopcorn said:

Ansh_A said:

Everyone is focused on Hyperion but the issue is power gain with this AI.

I faced Dragon Man in AQ who went straight to sp3 and launched it. Not a big deal but lost a chunk of health as a result. Then same issue with Mordo who is a boss on the side quest, he stands with his back to the wall and launches his sp 3 instantly when he gets it. At least in Mordo's case, i could restart and use a power control/unblockable champ instead of a evade counter champ. Lost the one time resources for the restart but wasnt going to waste revives on a side quest.

Different champions have different AI profiles. Power gain champs turtle it is known, same for America Chavez throwing heavies quite often and sometimes throwing them in places that make no sense.

Adding in some more:

- Onslaught & ench with their 5 combo into block when you need them to throw heavy to get openings/ remove spells.

- Intercepting onslaught is the go-to play, but his AI also has that bozo gene that turns him into prime MSD light intercepting you.

- Mordo holding that block button while he has power gain:



Moral of the story:

Different champs, different profiles, same a**hole AI. Atleast it's consistent, I'll give it that (consistently rude af 🙃).

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Mohammad07

_puy000_ said:

AI is such a big problem that needs to be fixed. I was fighting a Hyperion in war using gentle in war because I needed a coda champ.

This shouldn’t have been a problem except for the fact that the ai went from s1-s3 through power gain. I wasn’t blocking or attacking(except every now and then a hit to the block), he just sat there refreshing his power gain every couple of seconds.

Please fix this Kabam, I lost an attack bonus when I shouldn’t have.

My doom love powergaining opp.