I hadn’t planned to go all in on HoF, but now I’m seriously considering it. Should I?

I have bad RNG luck on events like these. There, I said it. Omega days last year, Banquet for every year I’ve played the game, etc. Whenever it is a largely RNG event, I have bad luck with the ‘points’ crystals and also bad luck with the ‘big’ crystals. After a couple of years having this happen consistently, it has led me to largely only invest in events with guaranteed value. The Gatcha boxes have been great because they limited my bad RNG downside.

Because of this, I had not planned to go hard at this event. I really like Fury so wanted a couple of shots at him (although fully expected to get Apoc and a few dups on him) but generally was planning on waiting for J4. Part of this was guaranteed value, but part of it was also that I still don’t have 7* Serpent and was going to go for the 2024 selector and get him finally.

Then I had slightly better luck than normal on this event. Not on the Valiants of course - I’m at 2 7*s - neither of which were priority ones for me - out of 120 cyrstals, so definitely behind where I should be statistically. However, I did pull and dup Tigra and pulled FAM (well and of course APOC) which surprised me. This caused me to go to 240 points as I could then R3 them both and maybe still pull Fury (which I didn’t).

I stopped and was planning on saving my units for J4. Then two things have caused me to start to think maybe I should go for it:
1) I looked back at last year’s J4 and the 2023 selector was not available until 36k vs. 18k. I’d really like to get a 7* Serpent, but is he really worth 36k (yes, I know there will be other stuff along the way - but still) when I have a 6* R5A max sig?
2) Tigra and Fantman are great champs, but really need to be awakened to and at least 100 sig to get real value from them. And I still would really like to get Fury.

So, now I’m considering going from 240 to at least 390 (and let’s not kid ourselves, if I go that far I might as well get DP for another 1500 units). My thinking is this: Doing so lets me awaken Fantman, lets me get he and Tigra to sig 101 and 120 respectively, and lets me get Fury. I have a Skill AG for Fury so would get him awakened also.

Getting those three particular champs awakened and to a useful sig level, and one of them to R4, feels like a solid guaranteed value and investment. I’d be left with 6K units, so could probably build back up to 14k for J4, maybe 18k if I really stretch, so I’d get at least some of those rewards.

So what do you think? Should I go for it?

Also question for those of you who did - I’m assuming you get 200 sig gems vs. just 1 200 sig gem, correct? I do want to split them across Fantman and Tigra.

Comments

JackTheSnack

You’re either gonna cash in big or get shafted like the other half of us. It’ll either be you open 5 valiants and it’s all the featured champs right there or you’re gonna get 2 guaranteed 7 stars and no more. If it were me, after dropping 6k units and getting ONLY the guaranteed 7 star….I’d save

Herbal_Taxman

If you’re asking this kind of question, I think you instinctively know the answer already, lol

But ultimately it’s just about fun. Whatever seems the most entertaining for you is probably the right call. I’m waiting for J4 because I get more entertainment out of learning / using new champs. It may or may not be the most strategic choice given my account and the level I play at in various events. But I’m just not excited about ranking the classic champs.

Pick whatever is going to bring you the most enjoyment…

ahmynuts

99% of gamblers quit before hitting it big

Furrymoosen

Don't let FOMO win the day, but I will speak to my experience.
I was saving units for 7 pieces of Deathless champs. This event had far more value, so I spent the units here. In total, I got 15 7* champs (9 from Valiants, 3 from 7* crystals, one selector and two Dark Phoenix), but I know I had better luck than others. Now I have 7r4 max sig FAM, 7r3 awakened Tigra, 7r3 awakened Nick, and 7r1 sig 60 (pulled him from Valiants four times) Apoc that will go to R3 soon as well. Didn't get Ibom, but all in all am very happy with how everything turned out.

But spending that much can also lead to easy regret. Value the guarantees. Is an R4, Dark Phoenix, and having your favorite champ of the bunch awakened worth 37k units to you?

Oakenshield

99% of gamblers quit before hitting it big

Haha true but part of the reason I’m thinking about going the rest of the way is that the rest is guaranteed value vs. RNG. Yes, I might get lucky and finally hit some of the champs with the remaining 80 gems but I’m not counting on that. I’m simply looking at the R4 Gem, the AG, 200 sigs, the selector, and probably Dark Phoenix as guaranteed value. Since I actually DID already have some RNG luck by pulling FAM and duping Tigra, I don’t need any more RNG luck to get the value.

Ourobøros

No. All I got was 4* and 5*, maybe two or three 6*. Definitely not worth it

Ayden_noah1

99% of gamblers quit before hitting it big
Haha true but part of the reason I’m thinking about going the rest of the way is that the rest is guaranteed value vs. RNG. Yes, I might get lucky and finally hit some of the champs with the remaining 80 gems but I’m not counting on that. I’m simply looking at the R4 Gem, the AG, 200 sigs, the selector, and probably Dark Phoenix as guaranteed value. Since I actually DID already have some RNG luck by pulling FAM and duping Tigra, I don’t need any more RNG luck to get the value.

You know you are going to do it. This game is about having fun and using the champ that you like. If Nick is your guy, and you are guaranteed to get him. If you have the units or can afford it, what's the issue here. Guaranteed value is always great in this game.

JackTheSnack

Actually, now that I think about it, since you’re already at that many points, you might as well just finish it out and get dark phoenix for the deck. If you have 6* r5a serpent, the only place a r3 or r4 7 star is going to shine is battlegrounds defense and making a select few Everest fights a little bit quicker. Essentially, you’re working with a r3 7 star without the stat focus

Steam97

99% of gamblers quit before hitting it big
Haha true but part of the reason I’m thinking about going the rest of the way is that the rest is guaranteed value vs. RNG. Yes, I might get lucky and finally hit some of the champs with the remaining 80 gems but I’m not counting on that. I’m simply looking at the R4 Gem, the AG, 200 sigs, the selector, and probably Dark Phoenix as guaranteed value. Since I actually DID already have some RNG luck by pulling FAM and duping Tigra, I don’t need any more RNG luck to get the value.

Invest in this event only if you're really interested in the champions in it otherwise save for july offers. In july with 37k units you can definitely get more than one r4 gem plus lots of other things, since you look more interested in the guaranteed aspect I would wait for july where you will surely get more of those

Oakenshield

Actually, now that I think about it, since you’re already at that many points, you might as well just finish it out and get dark phoenix for the deck. If you have 6* r5a serpent, the only place a r3 or r4 7 star is going to shine is battlegrounds defense and making a select few Everest fights a little bit quicker. Essentially, you’re working with a r3 7 star without the stat focus

Yeah that’s why I’m thinking hard about doing it. I agree with your logic on Serpent and would have DP as a meta cosmic defender to use instead of him.

I have a ton of Titans saved up for the June crystal, so the only other impact of going hard now vs. waiting is it will take me a longer to get any of those pulls ranked up. But, those champs are going to be around for a while and generally available and I’ll get them ranked eventually. And all of that is assuming I actually pull the new/better Titan champs, which requires the RNG gots to smile at me which I know is uncommon for me. These HoF champs largely won’t be available for the next year at least if Omega days is a guide.

BeastDad

Save for july

TotemCorruption

If you're asking then you're not absolutely sure you need one of these HOF champs, and if you're not sure, then it's totally not worth it.
Because even the rank up gems and sigs will be limited to these HOF champs, whereas the J4 deals will have more options.
I invested in HOF but only because FAM has deep nostalgic value for me as I basically used him to get through Acts 6-8.

MrSakuragi

@Oakenshield regarding your last question, it’s 200 individual sig stones

Oakenshield

@Oakenshield regarding your last question, it’s 200 individual sig stones

Thanks @MrSakuragi

Oakenshield

If you're asking then you're not absolutely sure you need one of these HOF champs, and if you're not sure, then it's totally not worth it.
Because even the rank up gems and sigs will be limited to these HOF champs, whereas the J4 deals will have more options.
I invested in HOF but only because FAM has deep nostalgic value for me as I basically used him to get through Acts 6-8.

I’m asking more because I had mentally locked in to NOT going for it on this, but am now thinking it makes more sense to do. Want to make sure I’m not deluding myself/responding to the moment.

Fury is not quite as strong for me as FAM is for you, but awfully close.

I think I’m going to give myself the weekend / early next week to further consider it, but based on the input from everyone I’m more strongly leaning towards going for it.

ItsClobberinTime

I almost went for her last night and after doing a lot of thinking and reading her kit multiple times I realized it's really not that big of a deal, currently a r5a will still do the job if they don't draft a counter because of the safeguard buff and if they did then she would've gotten cheesed regardless even as a 7* r3. The selector had zero value for me because my luck was so insane with the Valiant crystals I pretty much pulled and awakened everyone naturally except for Tigra, only one that's unawakened. The only thing that could've made it worth it was the 200 stones but again I didn't awaken Tigra but you did so for you it would be worth it.

It all comes down to this, do you absolutely need that selector or not? The 200 stones are worth it for you because you have Tigra awakened, Dark Phoenix isn't that big of a deal because a r5a 200 will still do the job, so yes and no, it's a matter of do you need the selector or not really.

TotemCorruption

If you're asking then you're not absolutely sure you need one of these HOF champs, and if you're not sure, then it's totally not worth it.
Because even the rank up gems and sigs will be limited to these HOF champs, whereas the J4 deals will have more options.
I invested in HOF but only because FAM has deep nostalgic value for me as I basically used him to get through Acts 6-8.
I’m asking more because I had mentally locked in to NOT going for it on this, but am now thinking it makes more sense to do. Want to make sure I’m not deluding myself/responding to the moment.

Fury is not quite as strong for me as FAM is for you, but awfully close.

I think I’m going to give myself the weekend / early next week to further consider it, but based on the input from everyone I’m more strongly leaning towards going for it.

Just as an fyi, I don't know if you want NF for other reasons, but if it's mainly as a BG defender, I was watching some streams yesterday and an R4 NF sig 60 wasn't as tanky as I would've expected.
People were still getting high 40k scores using various R3 attackers.
Everyone knows how to fight him, that's the main issue...

Chuck_Finley

I wanted fury. Planned to use the selector on him… had the units. Had a skill awakening gem for him if I pulled someone else.

Well, I got him real early. And decided, the new goal was dark phoenix.

My luck didn’t run out, it kept going.

I now have:
Apoc unawakened
R1 sig 20 Tigra (I can’t play her)
R1 sig 20 iBom
R3 Sig 100 Fantman
R3 Sig 120 Dark Phoenix
R4 Sig 20 Nick Fury

And added Shuri along the way (had yet to get her amazingly)

I don’t regret one unit.

Oakenshield

I almost went for her last night and after doing a lot of thinking and reading her kit multiple times I realized it's really not that big of a deal, currently a r5a will still do the job if they don't draft a counter because of the safeguard buff and if they did then she would've gotten cheesed regardless even as a 7* r3. The selector had zero value for me because my luck was so insane with the Valiant crystals I pretty much pulled and awakened everyone naturally except for Tigra, only one that's unawakened. The only thing that could've made it worth it was the 200 stones but again I didn't awaken Tigra but you did so for you it would be worth it.

It all comes down to this, do you absolutely need that selector or not? The 200 stones are worth it for you because you have Tigra awakened, Dark Phoenix isn't that big of a deal because a r5a 200 will still do the job, so yes and no, it's a matter of do you need the selector or not really.

Thanks. I definitely am NOT doing this for Dark Phoenix. Since I hadn’t originally planned to go any further I already R5A’s my 6* (had a Cosmic R4-R5 gem gathering dust). This is more about getting Fury, getting enough sigs to have Fantman and Tigra be viable, and an extra R4.

Oakenshield

If you're asking then you're not absolutely sure you need one of these HOF champs, and if you're not sure, then it's totally not worth it.
Because even the rank up gems and sigs will be limited to these HOF champs, whereas the J4 deals will have more options.
I invested in HOF but only because FAM has deep nostalgic value for me as I basically used him to get through Acts 6-8.
I’m asking more because I had mentally locked in to NOT going for it on this, but am now thinking it makes more sense to do. Want to make sure I’m not deluding myself/responding to the moment.

Fury is not quite as strong for me as FAM is for you, but awfully close.

I think I’m going to give myself the weekend / early next week to further consider it, but based on the input from everyone I’m more strongly leaning towards going for it.
Just as an fyi, I don't know if you want NF for other reasons, but if it's mainly as a BG defender, I was watching some streams yesterday and an R4 NF sig 60 wasn't as tanky as I would've expected.
People were still getting high 40k scores using various R3 attackers.
Everyone knows how to fight him, that's the main issue...

Thanks - yes I’m aware that NF isn’t going to be a top tier BG defender if I R4 him. Honestly I may end up R4ng FAM instead. My main desire for NF is questing/synergies/nostalgia. Occasional use in BGs but I generally play at the lower tiers anyway so.

Oakenshield

I wanted fury. Planned to use the selector on him… had the units. Had a skill awakening gem for him if I pulled someone else.

Well, I got him real early. And decided, the new goal was dark phoenix.

My luck didn’t run out, it kept going.

I now have:
Apoc unawakened
R1 sig 20 Tigra (I can’t play her)
R1 sig 20 iBom
R3 Sig 100 Fantman
R3 Sig 120 Dark Phoenix
R4 Sig 20 Nick Fury

And added Shuri along the way (had yet to get her amazingly)

I don’t regret one unit.

Wow that’s seriously impressive RNG luck. I probably wouldn’t even be here in the forums asking if I had gotten that lucky. Congrats!

ItsClobberinTime

I almost went for her last night and after doing a lot of thinking and reading her kit multiple times I realized it's really not that big of a deal, currently a r5a will still do the job if they don't draft a counter because of the safeguard buff and if they did then she would've gotten cheesed regardless even as a 7* r3. The selector had zero value for me because my luck was so insane with the Valiant crystals I pretty much pulled and awakened everyone naturally except for Tigra, only one that's unawakened. The only thing that could've made it worth it was the 200 stones but again I didn't awaken Tigra but you did so for you it would be worth it.

It all comes down to this, do you absolutely need that selector or not? The 200 stones are worth it for you because you have Tigra awakened, Dark Phoenix isn't that big of a deal because a r5a 200 will still do the job, so yes and no, it's a matter of do you need the selector or not really.
Thanks. I definitely am NOT doing this for Dark Phoenix. Since I hadn’t originally planned to go any further I already R5A’s my 6* (had a Cosmic R4-R5 gem gathering dust). This is more about getting Fury, getting enough sigs to have Fantman and Tigra be viable, and an extra R4.

Do you have a way to awaken Nick after getting him once? If you do it's a no brainer, if you don't it's a little more complicated but if you're in a position to spend I would go for it because we won't see him in a crystal for who knows how long so it's a long term investment until you pull a gem to give to him. The r4 gem is also definitely worth it even tho right now regardless of whether you do Tigra or FAM, they will both probably be permabanned in BGs, still worth it tho. As for the sigs, I'd give them all to Tigra if you're going to commit to ranking her up, FAM is perfectly viable at sig 20 for pretty much everything other than incinerate and bleed nodes and Bullseye, and with just one awakening he neutralizes Galan's harvest damage on defense so it's good enough.

Also, if you do go for the selector then at that point yes might as well go for Dark Phoenix, the only difference between the 6* and 7* is that the 7* will be a dual threat with some attack potential, the 6* will be a pure defender way too slow for attack. So there is some value in the 7* just not as crazy as everything else.

M0NKEYNUTS

Don't do it!!! There is a "RNG is rigged Kascam Kascam I quit" thread every day, with people posting they got nothing out of so many crystals.

Save for July 4 and Black Friday!!!

Ben_15455

I just really wanted 7* fury and 7* fantman so that's why I used like 4K units. I would save

RevHeresy

I was in the same boat. I did it and felt dirty. But my dirty self got rewarded handsomely.

Oakenshield

I almost went for her last night and after doing a lot of thinking and reading her kit multiple times I realized it's really not that big of a deal, currently a r5a will still do the job if they don't draft a counter because of the safeguard buff and if they did then she would've gotten cheesed regardless even as a 7* r3. The selector had zero value for me because my luck was so insane with the Valiant crystals I pretty much pulled and awakened everyone naturally except for Tigra, only one that's unawakened. The only thing that could've made it worth it was the 200 stones but again I didn't awaken Tigra but you did so for you it would be worth it.

It all comes down to this, do you absolutely need that selector or not? The 200 stones are worth it for you because you have Tigra awakened, Dark Phoenix isn't that big of a deal because a r5a 200 will still do the job, so yes and no, it's a matter of do you need the selector or not really.
Thanks. I definitely am NOT doing this for Dark Phoenix. Since I hadn’t originally planned to go any further I already R5A’s my 6* (had a Cosmic R4-R5 gem gathering dust). This is more about getting Fury, getting enough sigs to have Fantman and Tigra be viable, and an extra R4.
Do you have a way to awaken Nick after getting him once? If you do it's a no brainer, if you don't it's a little more complicated but if you're in a position to spend I would go for it because we won't see him in a crystal for who knows how long so it's a long term investment until you pull a gem to give to him. The r4 gem is also definitely worth it even tho right now regardless of whether you do Tigra or FAM, they will both probably be permabanned in BGs, still worth it tho. As for the sigs, I'd give them all to Tigra if you're going to commit to ranking her up, FAM is perfectly viable at sig 20 for pretty much everything other than incinerate and bleed nodes and Bullseye, and with just one awakening he neutralizes Galan's harvest damage on defense so it's good enough.

Also, if you do go for the selector then at that point yes might as well go for Dark Phoenix, the only difference between the 6* and 7* is that the 7* will be a dual threat with some attack potential, the 6* will be a pure defender way too slow for attack. So there is some value in the 7* just not as crazy as everything else.

Thanks. Yes, I’ve got a skill AG for Fury so can awaken both him and Fantman. Good input on Fant vs Tigra sigs - thank you for that. I’ve been playing with my new Tigra a bit over the past 24 hours and sig 20 is too stressful to be fun. I think I would take her to 120, see how it is, and then decide whether to give the rest to her or FAM. He would only be sig 1 if I use a gem on him so I’d at least get him to 20.

captain_rogers

Can you r4 all these champs? Now or in the near future? You don't have anyone better or more fav in their respective classes? Invest after asking these questions. If you're gonna buy them I'll definitely say you should be ready to r4 them.

WednesdayLength

As someone that also considered after having decent luck on the valiant crystals and all I ended up with was duping apocalypse, unless you're high tier and need dark phoenix is probably not that worth it

Penzito

I was nearly finished the event and had 1 HOF champ from 182 valiant crystals. Then with the last 4 they gave me Nick fury, so 2 out of 186, the full 9 yards 36.9K units plus whatever the event gave.

When you see posts about the luck people got, you feel pretty ill. Getting 4 of the champs from 23 crystals, stuff like that. Its kind of cool to get 4 of the 5, but couldn't dupe 2/5, the event felt dirty overall.

JESUSCHRIST

I got 7* nick fury, tigra and ibom from 12,900 units net spent