Mr sinester is taking bleed damage form Bullseye in GC.

JhonST33

I have faced him several times and he always take bleed damage, there is no enhanced bleed damage nodes or something similar.

Average_Desi

Hmm, I was wondering why I was losing so much health against hiim

Average_Desi

Just tried a fight in practice and didn't take any bleed

Average_Desi

Ok, found the reason. It's the damn sp2. It places a bleed vulnerability

HuskerCool

Sinister is taking bleed but there’s no way Sinester is taking it… that guy doesn’t take [bleep] from anyone

Feuerschwer

yeah the bleed vuln will result in Sinister taking bleed damage - he reduces bleed damage by -100% but the vuln increases it by (If I remember right) +50%. So you net out 50% of the bleed damage (while most characters would take 150% with the vuln active)

JhonST33

Average_Desi said:

Ok, found the reason. It's the damn sp2. It places a bleed vulnerability

I see, thanks.

SummonerNR

Difference between “reduces xxx damage by yyy”.
And being “Imune to xxx”

Average_Desi

SummonerNR said:

Difference between “reduces xxx damage by yyy”.
And being “Imune to xxx”

And "takes no damage from xxx"

Average_Desi

I guess this only became a problem this meta because of the power gain. Usually we only ever have to take sp1s

TotemCorruption

"The bleed vulnerability from Bullseye's SP2 is what causes the damage." - EdisonLaw

Oliver345781

I also took full dmg from chee's bleeds today with sinister in bgs. It's not just bullseye

Average_Desi

Oliver345781 said:

I also took full dmg from chee's bleeds today with sinister in bgs. It's not just bullseye

Chee increases bleed potency with her charges

Average_Desi

The problem is that Sinister takes damages from his own bleeds. Meaning his bleeds aren't zero damage bleeds. They have a base damage for whatever reason. It's weird .

Furrymoosen

TotemCorruption said:

"The bleed vulnerability from Bullseye's SP2 is what causes the damage." - EdisonLaw

You're supposed to wait 3-19 hours of a post being quiet to repeat what's already been stated. Get it right next time.

Furrymoosen

Oliver345781 said:

I also took full dmg from chee's bleeds today with sinister in bgs. It's not just bullseye

Average_Desi

Also, his sp1 bleed states that they are zero potency bleeds. And sinister reduced bleed potency by 100%. In effect they are (-100%) bleeds. So even with the vulnerability, they should still be (-50%) bleeds

EdisonLaw

HuskerCool said:

Sinister is taking bleed but there’s no way Sinester is taking it… that guy doesn’t take [bleep] from anyone

He actually can take bleed damage, it just has to be over 100% potency.

Toproller89

TotemCorruption said:

"The bleed vulnerability from Bullseye's SP2 is what causes the damage." - EdisonLaw

Edison’s 2nd law of bleedo-dynamics

EdisonLaw

Toproller89 said:

TotemCorruption said:

"The bleed vulnerability from Bullseye's SP2 is what causes the damage." - EdisonLaw

Edison’s 2nd law of bleedo-dynamics

You mean, Thomas Edison's 2nd laws of bleedynamics

EdisonLaw

TotemCorruption said:

"The bleed vulnerability from Bullseye's SP2 is what causes the damage." - EdisonLaw

Personally the only way to ever push Bullseye to 2 bars of power with Sinister is through an evade counter, and unless this meta allows for access to an evade counter, it shouldn't be possible

Feuerschwer

It’s a power gain meta - (at least in VT still, GC changed to stun immunity and energize) so if bullseye is at one bar and triggers the power gain he would go right up to two. Definitely possible.

Average_Desi

It happens against Cheeilth too. Sinister's self bleeds cause damage.

Average_Desi

EdisonLaw

Feuerschwer said:

It’s a power gain meta - (at least in VT still, GC changed to stun immunity and energize) so if bullseye is at one bar and triggers the power gain he would go right up to two. Definitely possible.

Who’s the best counter to Bullseye with power gain?

Average_Desi

Average_Desi said:

I guess this will never be fixed huh.

JhonST33

Average_Desi said:

Average_Desi said:

I guess this will never be fixed huh.

It's not a bug, she don't state that only her bleed increase their potency for every spirit charge.

Furrymoosen said:

Oliver345781 said:

I also took full dmg from chee's bleeds today with sinister in bgs. It's not just bullseye

She increased bleed damage whatever you apply to the opponent or the opponent aplies to himself.

Average_Desi

JhonST33 said:

Average_Desi said:

Average_Desi said:

I guess this will never be fixed huh.

It's not a bug, she don't state that only her bleed increase their potency for every spirit charge.

Furrymoosen said:

Oliver345781 said:

I also took full dmg from chee's bleeds today with sinister in bgs. It's not just bullseye

She increased bleed damage whatever you apply to the opponent or the opponent aplies to himself.

Even assuming that the fact she increases the potency of the opponents self inflicted bleeds is not a bug;

Average_Desi said:

Also, his sp1 bleed states that they are zero potency bleeds. And sinister reduced bleed potency by 100%. In effect they are (-100%) bleeds. So even with the vulnerability, they should still be (-50%) bleeds

Adjust numbers for Cheeilth

Average_Desi

Another thing to note is , even if it actually had a positive potency, it's a curious design choice to make Sinister's bleeds actually deal damage and not just 0 damage debuffs.

Maybe it is some constraint where they can't have zero damage debuffs?