Is Battlegrounds more RNG based or Skillbased?

Is Battlegrounds more RNG based from what account you face, at which rank you face them, which champs the game gives you and how the AI behaves or is it all based on skill?

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Glassback

It’s all skill based.

Even down to deck building and banning champs. It’s like one long game of chess. Just having a deck full of meta champs at R4 and R3 doesn’t mean wins.

Emilia90

1. Gotta be smart with bans. Essential to think over every champ and if you run lower level versions of champs like serpent in your own deck, you can increase your chances of pulling a champ you want
2. Draft luck matters, but your rank ups here do a ton. I rank mostly generalist champs though, ones that can take most meta defenders so regardless of what they have I have an answer to most of the time (champs like Starky, Shathra, Titania, Adam) I think are some of the most notable ones that can do so many matchups
3. Skill matters too. I’ve fought a lot of whales who lose the easiest matches and I’ve fought lower tier rosters who are amazing, that can definitely secure you the win

JESUSCHRIST

If the AI doesn't throw special until 3 bars, you are screwed

GrassKnuckles

It's a combination of both

Put a top 10 player vs a top 1000 player up against each other, and either player can win. One player could get a worse draft than the other. Or one of the players could mess up their matchup, making the round partially skill based on winning or losing.

Both players could be fighting Onslaught, which is clearly a skill-based defender, and whoever slips more up is going to lose. In the same sense, one player could draft serpent, who is a defender requiring a specific counter(s), and the opponent may not have a counter making it based on rng sometimes. It's also skill based due to drafting and banning strategies, and it's also rng based on how certain defenders AI's function, enchantress as a big one

Both skill and rng are what holds BGs together, not one more than another. That's the entire nature of the gamemode, and both have to be included in at least some sense for it to function.

Lokx

It’s both. There is luck in draft/ai and skill in gameplay and roster progression (which is done outside the game mode). So like 70% skills a d 30% luck.

startropics

all skill based in the long run. luck is more short term..

-champ knowledge
-knowing the matchups
-deck building
-drafting
-tricks to optimize time and reducing damage. ie. no 5 hit combos like most players. high end players know exactly when to time things like when bullseye gains a bar of power so they can do all their hits and time it with their striker then go into a special 2.

Nuclear

It’s both. There is luck in draft/ai and skill in gameplay and roster progression (which is done outside the game mode). So like 70% skills a d 30% luck.

If someone fights a Dark Phoenix how much of that is skill and how much of that would be luck if she just keeps spamming specials with unstopable

Emilia90

It’s both. There is luck in draft/ai and skill in gameplay and roster progression (which is done outside the game mode). So like 70% skills a d 30% luck.
If someone fights a Dark Phoenix how much of that is skill and how much of that would be luck if she just keeps spamming specials with unstopable

This is where you have to be smart with your bans lol

Or bank on drafting Hood/Shathra/Tits

TheUglyone123

It’s all skill based.

Even down to deck building and banning champs. It’s like one long game of chess. Just having a deck full of meta champs at R4 and R3 doesn’t mean wins.

I agree skill is huge, but the way the current draft system is, your opponent could get all of their meta, R4 defenders, while you are stuck with lower ranks and no counters. Albeit this is an extreme example, and if you play well, you could pull out a win, but that is also RNG dependent. If your opponent has a stacked deck, but has some bad fights, you can win pretty easily, which has nothing to do with your skill.

Zuro

I would've said more skill-based about a month ago, but with these absurd deals and champs they added as 7 stars, the game definitely feels more rng-reliant now unfortunately

MorningstarIsBae

There can be luck involved absolutely but as someone said in the long run it comes down to skill. Not just the fighting but everything with it. Theres a reason the same people place high and the same people place low every season

Vendemiaire

This is an RPG game so it is a bit of both.

Landing a critical hit is already based on chance and that's not the only variable that is left to chance. Chance to apply a debuff, chance to draft a champion, chance for the AI to throw a special, etc. However, it is this 'chance' element of the game that gives it its charm. It is the variables that makes us thrilled. If everything is constant, then we're just playing a 2D platform game. If there's no gacha element for champions then we'll all just buy and pick the same champs. Of course, there is a meta, but because this game offers a lot of varied options by nodes and interactions.

The skill factor comes in how we as a player utilize all of these 'chance' or 'luck' to our advantage and turn it on our favor. It is how fast we can decide given a lot of these random variables. That is why when you defeat someone in Battlegrounds with 5 Rank 4 champs with a really good luck at the draft selection, it feels really good. Yes, there's a disadvantage going against a stacked roster but that's another topic related to the game economy.

Nuclear

This is an RPG game so it is a bit of both.

Landing a critical hit is already based on chance and that's not the only variable that is left to chance. Chance to apply a debuff, chance to draft a champion, chance for the AI to throw a special, etc. However, it is this 'chance' element of the game that gives it its charm. It is the variables that makes us thrilled. If everything is constant, then we're just playing a 2D platform game. If there's no gacha element for champions then we'll all just buy and pick the same champs. Of course, there is a meta, but because this game offers a lot of varied options by nodes and interactions.

The skill factor comes in how we as a player utilize all of these 'chance' or 'luck' to our advantage and turn it on our favor. It is how fast we can decide given a lot of these random variables. That is why when you defeat someone in Battlegrounds with 5 Rank 4 champs with a really good luck at the draft selection, it feels really good. Yes, there's a disadvantage going against a stacked roster but that's another topic related to the game economy.

Very nice and refreshing take

BigBlueOx

Modders happen and that’s just RNG

TotemCorruption

I view it similar to poker. Anyone can lose to anyone via luck, but over a long stretch of time skill will win out.
And just like a sufficient bankroll is necessary to play poker, you need at least a decent roster to compete, even if you have tons of skill.

DNA3000

I view it similar to poker. Anyone can lose to anyone via luck, but over a long stretch of time skill will win out.
And just like a sufficient bankroll is necessary to play poker, you need at least a decent roster to compete, even if you have tons of skill.

Casinos typically have single digit percentage edges over the players, and in the long run the casino always ends up on top. When skill gives players as much as a 25% edge in a BG match, the higher skilled players are going to sort themselves to the top far faster than the 0.5% edge the casino has in blackjack.

DanielRand

I view it similar to poker. Anyone can lose to anyone via luck, but over a long stretch of time skill will win out.
And just like a sufficient bankroll is necessary to play poker, you need at least a decent roster to compete, even if you have tons of skill.
Casinos typically have single digit percentage edges over the players, and in the long run the casino always ends up on top. When skill gives players as much as a 25% edge in a BG match, the higher skilled players are going to sort themselves to the top far faster than the 0.5% edge the casino has in blackjack.

Totems comparison makes a lot of sense if you play and understand poker, which it seems you do not. Especially when in your response you talked about black jack and house odds.

Pikolu

I'd say the 3 biggest things that decide the top placements in BGs are skill, roster, and time. If BGs was a luck-based event, then we would see a lot of different people ending first rather than the same few people. The main thing though to consider is how much time you put into the game. Those top celestial players have to put in a metric ton of time into BGs constantly doing matches as well as constantly needing to win matches. With the new system of matchmaking, matching someone a lot lower than you can have serious consequences if you end up losing.

Needless to say, without roster and skill, you would need the AI to be as awful as possible along with the draft to be as awful as possible to beat a skilled player who also has a large roster.