Void not a valid option for War Node 3?

OMC_PintoOMC_Pinto Member Posts: 108 ★
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Void takes regen to 0 (or lower against opponents who can allow it; Sersi cannot be lower than 0). However, in this fight, Sersi has a regen active but does not regen any health, is receiving damage from Intimidating Presence, and I still cannot gain any charges?? What am I doing wrong here?
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  • BeeweeBeewee Member Posts: 582 ★★★★
    Lol get sersi’ed her regen rate cannot be lowered to 0. You have to heal block her to get charges. GL if you find a node 3 unduped sersi…
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,663 ★★★★★
    Furrymoosen said:

    OMC_Pinto said:




    Void takes regen to 0 (or lower against opponents who can allow it; Sersi cannot be lower than 0). However, in this fight, Sersi has a regen active but does not regen any health, is receiving damage from Intimidating Presence, and I still cannot gain any charges?? What am I doing wrong here?

    You're reducing healing, not preventing it. Since you can't reduce her below zero, which is what the node calls for, you won't gain charges. Since Void is only reducing healing and not preventing it (like AA, Warlock, or a classic heal block champ), then you don't gain charges for preventing healing either.
    Oh god, the edge cases that have come out due to the new Alliance War is crazy. So much to learn
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,663 ★★★★★
    OMC_Pinto said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    OMC_Pinto said:




    Void takes regen to 0 (or lower against opponents who can allow it; Sersi cannot be lower than 0). However, in this fight, Sersi has a regen active but does not regen any health, is receiving damage from Intimidating Presence, and I still cannot gain any charges?? What am I doing wrong here?

    You're reducing healing, not preventing it. Since you can't reduce her below zero, which is what the node calls for, you won't gain charges. Since Void is only reducing healing and not preventing it (like AA, Warlock, or a classic heal block champ), then you don't gain charges for preventing healing either.
    I hear what you are saying but the description states "...prevented from recovering health..." which is exactly what is happening in the picture of the fight. Active Regen, but not gaining any health... ??
    The thing is, "prevented from regen" has to be intentionally coded to include certain mechanics. Here they've only included Heal Block and Warlocks and Archangels infection/neurotoxin .

    So unless they update the node to Include this, we're kinda out of luck
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,663 ★★★★★
    Herbal_Taxman said:

    The way the node reads to me is, reduce healing to zero or lower. Not, you HAVE to reduce it below zero. But that’s just how I interpret the text, could be totally wrong.

    I have yet to see someone successfully taking this node without heal block or Warlock. Someone in my ally tried with Black Cat plus Silk synergy. BC applies 25% spectres on medium attacks. So you’ve got all the usual AAR stuff from BC, plus a lot of spectres, plus despair at 3/3 and it still didn’t work.

    @captain_rogers took it with Sinister. Despair + Petrify mastery
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,337 ★★★★★
    Interesting. Regular or offseason, do you know?

    I’m assuming the opponent was Bulls?
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 6,414 ★★★★★
    OMC_Pinto said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    OMC_Pinto said:




    Void takes regen to 0 (or lower against opponents who can allow it; Sersi cannot be lower than 0). However, in this fight, Sersi has a regen active but does not regen any health, is receiving damage from Intimidating Presence, and I still cannot gain any charges?? What am I doing wrong here?

    You're reducing healing, not preventing it. Since you can't reduce her below zero, which is what the node calls for, you won't gain charges. Since Void is only reducing healing and not preventing it (like AA, Warlock, or a classic heal block champ), then you don't gain charges for preventing healing either.
    I hear what you are saying but the description states "...prevented from recovering health..." which is exactly what is happening in the picture of the fight. Active Regen, but not gaining any health... ??
    At face value you are correct. The reduction in healing is resulting in healing being prevented. But in terms of how the game works, they're two different mechanics. You are only reducing healing, not preventing it.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,663 ★★★★★
    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Interesting. Regular or offseason, do you know?

    I’m assuming the opponent was Bulls?

    Regular. Everyone works in the node. Not just heal blockers and Warlock. Nefaria works.
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,337 ★★★★★
    edited June 2
    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Interesting. Regular or offseason, do you know?

    I’m assuming the opponent was Bulls?

    Regular. Everyone works in the node. Not just heal blockers and Warlock. Nefaria works.
    See my comment above about an ally mate who used spectre debuffs with BC and could get literally zero charges…

    If “everyone” like Nefaria works, why wouldn’t Void work again…?
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,663 ★★★★★
    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Interesting. Regular or offseason, do you know?

    I’m assuming the opponent was Bulls?

    Regular. Everyone works in the node. Not just heal blockers and Warlock. Nefaria works.
    See my comment above about an ally mate who used spectre debuffs with BC and could get literally zero charges…

    If “everyone” like Nefaria works, why wouldn’t Void work again…?
    Whom did your ally mate fight?

    Void here didn't work because of Sersei's ability to have her regen bit reduced below zero.
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,337 ★★★★★
    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Interesting. Regular or offseason, do you know?

    I’m assuming the opponent was Bulls?

    Regular. Everyone works in the node. Not just heal blockers and Warlock. Nefaria works.
    See my comment above about an ally mate who used spectre debuffs with BC and could get literally zero charges…

    If “everyone” like Nefaria works, why wouldn’t Void work again…?
    Whom did your ally mate fight?

    Void here didn't work because of Sersei's ability to have her regen bit reduced below zero.
    It was a Photon.

    Appreciate the help, I’m just trying to understand what the rules of the node are as they relate to champ selection….
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,663 ★★★★★
    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Interesting. Regular or offseason, do you know?

    I’m assuming the opponent was Bulls?

    Regular. Everyone works in the node. Not just heal blockers and Warlock. Nefaria works.
    See my comment above about an ally mate who used spectre debuffs with BC and could get literally zero charges…

    If “everyone” like Nefaria works, why wouldn’t Void work again…?
    Whom did your ally mate fight?

    Void here didn't work because of Sersei's ability to have her regen bit reduced below zero.
    It was a Photon.

    Appreciate the help, I’m just trying to understand what the rules of the node are as they relate to champ selection….
    Photon works if you have despair. So you could try her in the future
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,337 ★★★★★
    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Interesting. Regular or offseason, do you know?

    I’m assuming the opponent was Bulls?

    Regular. Everyone works in the node. Not just heal blockers and Warlock. Nefaria works.
    See my comment above about an ally mate who used spectre debuffs with BC and could get literally zero charges…

    If “everyone” like Nefaria works, why wouldn’t Void work again…?
    Whom did your ally mate fight?

    Void here didn't work because of Sersei's ability to have her regen bit reduced below zero.
    It was a Photon.

    Appreciate the help, I’m just trying to understand what the rules of the node are as they relate to champ selection….
    Photon works if you have despair. So you could try her in the future
    No, it was Black Cat attacking with Silk synergy for the spectres. Against a photon, it literally didn’t work at all. We didn’t get the fight down.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,663 ★★★★★
    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Interesting. Regular or offseason, do you know?

    I’m assuming the opponent was Bulls?

    Regular. Everyone works in the node. Not just heal blockers and Warlock. Nefaria works.
    See my comment above about an ally mate who used spectre debuffs with BC and could get literally zero charges…

    If “everyone” like Nefaria works, why wouldn’t Void work again…?
    Whom did your ally mate fight?

    Void here didn't work because of Sersei's ability to have her regen bit reduced below zero.
    It was a Photon.

    Appreciate the help, I’m just trying to understand what the rules of the node are as they relate to champ selection….
    Photon works if you have despair. So you could try her in the future
    No, it was Black Cat attacking with Silk synergy for the spectres. Against a photon, it literally didn’t work at all. We didn’t get the fight down.
    I mean that you could use a Photon as an attacker
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,663 ★★★★★
    edited June 3
    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Interesting. Regular or offseason, do you know?

    I’m assuming the opponent was Bulls?

    Regular. Everyone works in the node. Not just heal blockers and Warlock. Nefaria works.
    See my comment above about an ally mate who used spectre debuffs with BC and could get literally zero charges…

    If “everyone” like Nefaria works, why wouldn’t Void work again…?
    Whom did your ally mate fight?

    Void here didn't work because of Sersei's ability to have her regen bit reduced below zero.
    It was a Photon.

    Appreciate the help, I’m just trying to understand what the rules of the node are as they relate to champ selection….
    Photon works if you have despair. So you could try her in the future
    No, it was Black Cat attacking with Silk synergy for the spectres. Against a photon, it literally didn’t work at all. We didn’t get the fight down.
    Actually, there isn't a lot of spectres. Just a single one that doesn't stack. And with max despair, you get a total of 40% reduction. What other debuffs are in the fight?
    @Herbal_Taxman
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,337 ★★★★★
    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Interesting. Regular or offseason, do you know?

    I’m assuming the opponent was Bulls?

    Regular. Everyone works in the node. Not just heal blockers and Warlock. Nefaria works.
    See my comment above about an ally mate who used spectre debuffs with BC and could get literally zero charges…

    If “everyone” like Nefaria works, why wouldn’t Void work again…?
    Whom did your ally mate fight?

    Void here didn't work because of Sersei's ability to have her regen bit reduced below zero.
    It was a Photon.

    Appreciate the help, I’m just trying to understand what the rules of the node are as they relate to champ selection….
    Photon works if you have despair. So you could try her in the future
    No, it was Black Cat attacking with Silk synergy for the spectres. Against a photon, it literally didn’t work at all. We didn’t get the fight down.
    Actually, there isn't a lot of spectres. Just a single one that doesn't stack. And with max despair, you get a total of 40% reduction. What other debuffs are in the fight?
    @Herbal_Taxman
    Yep, you’re totally right. Thx for tip.
  • OMC_PintoOMC_Pinto Member Posts: 108 ★
    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Interesting. Regular or offseason, do you know?

    I’m assuming the opponent was Bulls?

    Regular. Everyone works in the node. Not just heal blockers and Warlock. Nefaria works.
    See my comment above about an ally mate who used spectre debuffs with BC and could get literally zero charges…

    If “everyone” like Nefaria works, why wouldn’t Void work again…?
    Whom did your ally mate fight?

    Void here didn't work because of Sersei's ability to have her regen bit reduced below zero.
    It was a Photon.

    Appreciate the help, I’m just trying to understand what the rules of the node are as they relate to champ selection….
    Photon works if you have despair. So you could try her in the future
    How does Photon work with despair, but Void doesnt? Same mechanic and can stack tons of debuffs with Void too. Just not sure that Photon would work in this scenario.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,663 ★★★★★
    edited June 3
    OMC_Pinto said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Interesting. Regular or offseason, do you know?

    I’m assuming the opponent was Bulls?

    Regular. Everyone works in the node. Not just heal blockers and Warlock. Nefaria works.
    See my comment above about an ally mate who used spectre debuffs with BC and could get literally zero charges…

    If “everyone” like Nefaria works, why wouldn’t Void work again…?
    Whom did your ally mate fight?

    Void here didn't work because of Sersei's ability to have her regen bit reduced below zero.
    It was a Photon.

    Appreciate the help, I’m just trying to understand what the rules of the node are as they relate to champ selection….
    Photon works if you have despair. So you could try her in the future
    How does Photon work with despair, but Void doesnt? Same mechanic and can stack tons of debuffs with Void too. Just not sure that Photon would work in this scenario.
    I was talking about Photon in general for Node 3. not this specific Sersei matchup
  • OMC_PintoOMC_Pinto Member Posts: 108 ★
    Average_Desi said:

    OMC_Pinto said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Interesting. Regular or offseason, do you know?

    I’m assuming the opponent was Bulls?

    Regular. Everyone works in the node. Not just heal blockers and Warlock. Nefaria works.
    See my comment above about an ally mate who used spectre debuffs with BC and could get literally zero charges…

    If “everyone” like Nefaria works, why wouldn’t Void work again…?
    Whom did your ally mate fight?

    Void here didn't work because of Sersei's ability to have her regen bit reduced below zero.
    It was a Photon.

    Appreciate the help, I’m just trying to understand what the rules of the node are as they relate to champ selection….
    Photon works if you have despair. So you could try her in the future
    How does Photon work with despair, but Void doesnt? Same mechanic and can stack tons of debuffs with Void too. Just not sure that Photon would work in this scenario.
    I was talking about Photon in general for Node 3. not this specific Sersei matchup
    Ah thank you.
  • Stone3xStone3x Member Posts: 81 ★
    Does deathless She hulk with her spectre/max dispair work or she won't gain any charges either?
  • Sachhyam257Sachhyam257 Member Posts: 1,374 ★★★★
    edited June 3
    Herbal_Taxman said:

    The way the node reads to me is, reduce healing to zero or lower. Not, you HAVE to reduce it below zero. But that’s just how I interpret the text, could be totally wrong.

    I have yet to see someone successfully taking this node without heal block or Warlock. Someone in my ally tried with Black Cat plus Silk synergy. BC applies 25% spectres on medium attacks. So you’ve got all the usual AAR stuff from BC, plus a lot of spectres, plus despair at 3/3 and it still didn’t work.


    I took an enchantress on this node with void. He works, I think in OP's case it might just be some quirk with sersi...
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,048 ★★★★★
    Void definitely works. I took on sassy with void on off season. It's sersi abilities
  • Kloppholz_123Kloppholz_123 Member Posts: 42 ★
    Beewee said:

    Lol get sersi’ed her regen rate cannot be lowered to 0. You have to heal block her to get charges. GL if you find a node 3 unduped sersi…

    Thats just wrong. Sersis regen rate cannot lowered BELOW zero - this is what her Kit says. So lowering it to zero should grant u charges, just like the node says because at zero he is prevented from healing - what u also seeing in the screenshot

  • Raiden01Raiden01 Member Posts: 104 ★
    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    The way the node reads to me is, reduce healing to zero or lower. Not, you HAVE to reduce it below zero. But that’s just how I interpret the text, could be totally wrong.

    I have yet to see someone successfully taking this node without heal block or Warlock. Someone in my ally tried with Black Cat plus Silk synergy. BC applies 25% spectres on medium attacks. So you’ve got all the usual AAR stuff from BC, plus a lot of spectres, plus despair at 3/3 and it still didn’t work.

    @captain_rogers took it with Sinister. Despair + Petrify mastery
    Despair does not work on this node. I used spiral here against serpent and had 40+ ruptures on him and still he was healing the normal amount and I was not gaining charges.
  • GogiGogi Member Posts: 490 ★★★
    captain_rogers said:

    Void definitely works. I took on sassy with void on off season. It's sersi abilities

    This, it's sersi not a Void.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,663 ★★★★★
    Raiden01 said:

    Average_Desi said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    The way the node reads to me is, reduce healing to zero or lower. Not, you HAVE to reduce it below zero. But that’s just how I interpret the text, could be totally wrong.

    I have yet to see someone successfully taking this node without heal block or Warlock. Someone in my ally tried with Black Cat plus Silk synergy. BC applies 25% spectres on medium attacks. So you’ve got all the usual AAR stuff from BC, plus a lot of spectres, plus despair at 3/3 and it still didn’t work.

    @captain_rogers took it with Sinister. Despair + Petrify mastery
    Despair does not work on this node. I used spiral here against serpent and had 40+ ruptures on him and still he was healing the normal amount and I was not gaining charges.
    It works just not beyond 100. That's why I said despair + petrify
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,687 Guardian
    Kloppholz_123 said:

    Beewee said:

    Lol get sersi’ed her regen rate cannot be lowered to 0. You have to heal block her to get charges. GL if you find a node 3 unduped sersi…

    Thats just wrong. Sersis regen rate cannot lowered BELOW zero - this is what her Kit says. So lowering it to zero should grant u charges, just like the node says because at zero he is prevented from healing - what u also seeing in the screenshot

    It has been explained how the node works. You either have to use an ability that prevents the opponent from healing (heal block, warlock infection, and duped archangel neurotoxin) or you have to bring their regen rate below 0 to gain charges. Sersi's abilities stage her regen rate can't be brought below 0. So, your only options are, use a heal blocker, use warlock, use Archangel. Either that or you can choose to just suffer too against the node, no one will stop you.
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