For people who think Kabam is right about bans

This is my alliance member; he hasn't played Necro, Epoch, or even completed 9.3. He doesn't have an r4 champion. He rarely plays BG. In the last war, he died over 10 times because he didn't bring a proper counter. How this guy can use mods? What is the reason? Can anybody explain this? This is so unethical and frustrating. The worst part is people think they are complaining for no reason. You can't just ban random people for no reason.

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ahmynuts

I dont think anyone has said they're right. Its just fun to make fun of people complaining.

Also the bans weren't about modding

Captainaiden

The ban is not about modding, it just your friend download the game from third party, not official store

The_Lokí

I dont think anyone has said they're right. Its just fun to make fun of people complaining.

Also the bans weren't about modding

I've seen a lot of comments about that. They think all banned players are modders

Rodney_Fr0stBit3

I dont think anyone has said they're right. Its just fun to make fun of people complaining.

Also the bans weren't about modding

No wonder ppl use forums so rarely! Coz of schmucks like you!

SirGamesBond

I dont think anyone has said they're right. Its just fun to make fun of people complaining.

Also the bans weren't about modding
I've seen a lot of comments about that. They think all banned players are modders

No, they don't think all banned players are modders.
BUT
All modders used 3rd party to install game Or 3rd party apps to modify game.

They banned all players who are associated with any of the 3rd party apps which modified the game.

willrun4adonut

I dont think anyone has said they're right. Its just fun to make fun of people complaining.

Also the bans weren't about modding
No wonder ppl use forums so rarely! Coz of schmucks like you!

Actually, the forums is very helpful, and we're a great group that helps others, as long as it's not people complain about banning.

Herbal_Taxman

I dont think anyone has said they're right. Its just fun to make fun of people complaining.

Also the bans weren't about modding
I've seen a lot of comments about that. They think all banned players are modders

No. All banned players COULD be modders. That’s all that matters.

Aleor

I dont think anyone has said they're right. Its just fun to make fun of people complaining.

Also the bans weren't about modding
I've seen a lot of comments about that. They think all banned players are modders
No. All banned players COULD be modders. That’s all that matters.

You could be a modder too

Abspain101

I dont think anyone has said they're right. Its just fun to make fun of people complaining.

Also the bans weren't about modding
No wonder ppl use forums so rarely! Coz of schmucks like you!

Yeah go to that ses pool reddit lol

Sceptilemaniac2

I understand that is way too much complaining and most of them have done something to break the ToS (which in some cases I don't think is really ban worthy) but you'd get why people are frustrated if you were on the wrong side of the banhammer.
I'm gonna miss three wars, almost all of the raid week, the daily objectives, some of the track objectives maybe and also be labelled a cheater. All for doing nothing.
The punishment is disproportionate to the offense.

willrun4adonut

I understand that is way too much complaining and most of them have done something to break the ToS (which in some cases I don't think is really ban worthy) but you'd get why people are frustrated if you were on the wrong side of the banhammer.
I'm gonna miss three wars, almost all of the raid week, the daily objectives, some of the track objectives maybe and also be labelled a cheater. All for doing nothing.
The punishment is disproportionate to the offense.

I feel bad for you and two other forum users (yes, you three are the only one I remotely believe).

ahmynuts

I dont think anyone has said they're right. Its just fun to make fun of people complaining.

Also the bans weren't about modding
I've seen a lot of comments about that. They think all banned players are modders
No. All banned players COULD be modders. That’s all that matters.
You could be a modder too

Secret invasion

CheeseMaster482

I dont think anyone has said they're right. Its just fun to make fun of people complaining.

Also the bans weren't about modding
No wonder ppl use forums so rarely! Coz of schmucks like you!
Yeah go to that ses pool reddit lol

The reddit is pretty much dead. The most active place to talk in is the discord server but I would not recommend anyone to join it. The mods are extremely power hungry and will mute you for the smallest of infractions. Told a joke? boom 1 week mute no warning. Not even 500k+ discord servers are that strict.

Demonzfyre

This is my alliance member; he hasn't played Necro, Epoch, or even completed 9.3. He doesn't have an r4 champion. He rarely plays BG. In the last war, he died over 10 times because he didn't bring a proper counter. How this guy can use mods? What is the reason? Can anybody explain this? This is so unethical and frustrating. The worst part is people think they are complaining for no reason. You can't just ban random people for no reason.

Y'all can't read for real. You keep saying modding and it's not what happened.

Abspain101

This is my alliance member; he hasn't played Necro, Epoch, or even completed 9.3. He doesn't have an r4 champion. He rarely plays BG. In the last war, he died over 10 times because he didn't bring a proper counter. How this guy can use mods? What is the reason? Can anybody explain this? This is so unethical and frustrating. The worst part is people think they are complaining for no reason. You can't just ban random people for no reason.

I hope they havent completed 9.3 it just finished beta last month and wont be out for atleast 3-6 months lol

TotemCorruption

I understand that is way too much complaining and most of them have done something to break the ToS (which in some cases I don't think is really ban worthy) but you'd get why people are frustrated if you were on the wrong side of the banhammer.
I'm gonna miss three wars, almost all of the raid week, the daily objectives, some of the track objectives maybe and also be labelled a cheater. All for doing nothing.
The punishment is disproportionate to the offense.

I understand that this sucks for some people who have been unfairly suspended.
But what is flooding the forum going to do?
There is no one reading these anonymous posts and taking action for specific accounts.
And Kabam isn't going to be bullied into completely reversing its broader decision to stop cheating at the source.

All you can do is submit a ticket, give as much honest detail as possible, and wait to see what the resolution is.
In my experience, Kabam support can be really great at times and completely dismissive at other times.
If anyone reaches the point where the company isn't being responsive to their needs or complaints, then it's time to take your business elsewhere.
I've certainly done that numerous times in my life with many companies, despite the inconvenience and pain of closing accounts and moving on.

DNA3000

This is my alliance member; he hasn't played Necro, Epoch, or even completed 9.3. He doesn't have an r4 champion. He rarely plays BG. In the last war, he died over 10 times because he didn't bring a proper counter. How this guy can use mods? What is the reason? Can anybody explain this? This is so unethical and frustrating. The worst part is people think they are complaining for no reason. You can't just ban random people for no reason.

According to the announcement, the recent ban wave targeted players who were using unauthorized game clients. It doesn't matter if his account looks like an account that did not cheat, because the ban wave did not target obvious cheating directly. If he was playing with an unauthorized game client, he was banned for that reason.

On top of that, the number of people I've seen who claimed to not cheat because "obviously" they didn't cheat because of evidence like what their profile looks like or what content they did and then later turned out to in fact be cheating is rather high. People cheat for all kinds of reasons, and in all kinds of ways. Sometimes people cheat in small ways difficult to notice in the grand scheme of things explicitly because they believe they can get away with it. The people who cheat this game aren't all doing 15 minute Necropolis runs or 15 second BG fights. Some of them just try to skate past an Act 8 boss. They speed up an arena grind a bit. Sometimes they try to cheat but don't know what they are doing and fail at it. Saying someone can't possibly be cheating because of the things they didn't do yet is completely unconvincing.

None of these bans were random, and so far I have yet to see convincing evidence of a single false positive ban yet. I'm not saying there isn't one out there somewhere, but lots of them? Practically impossible at this point. I have seen more people proven to be frauds when asserting their innocence. Some people were simply unaware they were downloading the game from unauthorized sources. Some knew they were doing so but it was the only way around region blocks. But from what I've heard so far, Kabam has yet to find a single player who was banned incorrectly and hasn't been verified to be using unauthorized software. They aren't saying they can prove those players cheated, but the bans aren't about cheating. They are about using unauthorized software or software derived from unauthorized distribution.

They are doing this because fundamentally speaking, if you let people play in emulated environments or unauthorized game clients, you can't trust what those game clients are telling you. Which makes cheating much harder to detect. That's why they are prohibited, and that's why Kabam has taken steps to more aggressively detect and ban players who use them.

Average_Desi

This is my alliance member; he hasn't played Necro, Epoch, or even completed 9.3. He doesn't have an r4 champion. He rarely plays BG. In the last war, he died over 10 times because he didn't bring a proper counter. How this guy can use mods? What is the reason? Can anybody explain this? This is so unethical and frustrating. The worst part is people think they are complaining for no reason. You can't just ban random people for no reason.
None of these bans were random, and so far I have yet to see convincing evidence of a single false positive ban yet. I'm not saying there isn't one out there somewhere, but lots of them? Practically impossible at this point. I have seen more people proven to be frauds when asserting their innocence. Some people were simply unaware they were downloading the game from unauthorized sources. Some knew they were doing so but it was the only way around region blocks. But from what I've heard so far, Kabam has yet to find a single player who was banned incorrectly and hasn't been verified to be using unauthorized software. They aren't saying they can prove those players cheated, but the bans aren't about cheating. They are about using unauthorized software or software derived from unauthorized distribution.

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Assuming they aren't lying, how are people playing on iPhones getting banned? Side loading doesn't really work on iPhones unless they're really tech savvy and they claim not to be.

Champion24

This is my alliance member; he hasn't played Necro, Epoch, or even completed 9.3. He doesn't have an r4 champion. He rarely plays BG. In the last war, he died over 10 times because he didn't bring a proper counter. How this guy can use mods? What is the reason? Can anybody explain this? This is so unethical and frustrating. The worst part is people think they are complaining for no reason. You can't just ban random people for no reason.
None of these bans were random, and so far I have yet to see convincing evidence of a single false positive ban yet. I'm not saying there isn't one out there somewhere, but lots of them? Practically impossible at this point. I have seen more people proven to be frauds when asserting their innocence. Some people were simply unaware they were downloading the game from unauthorized sources. Some knew they were doing so but it was the only way around region blocks. But from what I've heard so far, Kabam has yet to find a single player who was banned incorrectly and hasn't been verified to be using unauthorized software. They aren't saying they can prove those players cheated, but the bans aren't about cheating. They are about using unauthorized software or software derived from unauthorized distribution.

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Assuming they aren't lying, how are people playing on iPhones getting banned? Side loading doesn't really work on iPhones unless they're really tech savvy and they claim not to be.

Didn't EU forced apple to let people sideload apps ? I think I read this news somewhere

GroundedWisdom

That's between your friend and Kabam. There's nothing any of us can say.

KDoggg2017

I play on my phone or iPad only. Problem solved. 🤷‍♂️

DNA3000

This is my alliance member; he hasn't played Necro, Epoch, or even completed 9.3. He doesn't have an r4 champion. He rarely plays BG. In the last war, he died over 10 times because he didn't bring a proper counter. How this guy can use mods? What is the reason? Can anybody explain this? This is so unethical and frustrating. The worst part is people think they are complaining for no reason. You can't just ban random people for no reason.
None of these bans were random, and so far I have yet to see convincing evidence of a single false positive ban yet. I'm not saying there isn't one out there somewhere, but lots of them? Practically impossible at this point. I have seen more people proven to be frauds when asserting their innocence. Some people were simply unaware they were downloading the game from unauthorized sources. Some knew they were doing so but it was the only way around region blocks. But from what I've heard so far, Kabam has yet to find a single player who was banned incorrectly and hasn't been verified to be using unauthorized software. They aren't saying they can prove those players cheated, but the bans aren't about cheating. They are about using unauthorized software or software derived from unauthorized distribution.

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Assuming they aren't lying, how are people playing on iPhones getting banned? Side loading doesn't really work on iPhones unless they're really tech savvy and they claim not to be.

I have no idea. However, I do know that Kabam has investigated multiple cases of people claiming they were running 100% legit software from 100% legit sources and were able to determine that was not true. There's no way to know if they were lying or mistaken, but whatever they are using to detect unauthorized software has to be looking for some sort of difference, and since every iOS install from the app store is going to be identical, and thus behave identically, any difference their technology sees has to be the result of some form of unauthorized element in the supply chain.

I'm not sitting in the room while they check, so for all I know maybe they found some problem they are working on that I am not aware of. However, at the moment I am aware of no such thing.

The most obvious reason that comes to mind is account sharing. If they shared their account credentials with a friend, a brother, an alliance mate, and those people did anything weird, Kabam may have detected that and banned them. They might not have been banned for side loading on iOS. They might have been banned for conduct not even performed on their actual phone.

Alternatively, a while ago I saw modded MCOC game clients floating around that came with instructions on how to side load them which did not require jail break. It just required a computer. I will not point to where or describe the details, but from what I could gather, any reasonably competent child could have followed the directions and side loaded MCOC with a laptop and a USB cable onto a vanilla iPhone.

Abspain101

This is my alliance member; he hasn't played Necro, Epoch, or even completed 9.3. He doesn't have an r4 champion. He rarely plays BG. In the last war, he died over 10 times because he didn't bring a proper counter. How this guy can use mods? What is the reason? Can anybody explain this? This is so unethical and frustrating. The worst part is people think they are complaining for no reason. You can't just ban random people for no reason.
None of these bans were random, and so far I have yet to see convincing evidence of a single false positive ban yet. I'm not saying there isn't one out there somewhere, but lots of them? Practically impossible at this point. I have seen more people proven to be frauds when asserting their innocence. Some people were simply unaware they were downloading the game from unauthorized sources. Some knew they were doing so but it was the only way around region blocks. But from what I've heard so far, Kabam has yet to find a single player who was banned incorrectly and hasn't been verified to be using unauthorized software. They aren't saying they can prove those players cheated, but the bans aren't about cheating. They are about using unauthorized software or software derived from unauthorized distribution.

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Assuming they aren't lying, how are people playing on iPhones getting banned? Side loading doesn't really work on iPhones unless they're really tech savvy and they claim not to be.

Can you assume those players banned on iphone have always played on iphone

Average_Desi

This is my alliance member; he hasn't played Necro, Epoch, or even completed 9.3. He doesn't have an r4 champion. He rarely plays BG. In the last war, he died over 10 times because he didn't bring a proper counter. How this guy can use mods? What is the reason? Can anybody explain this? This is so unethical and frustrating. The worst part is people think they are complaining for no reason. You can't just ban random people for no reason.
None of these bans were random, and so far I have yet to see convincing evidence of a single false positive ban yet. I'm not saying there isn't one out there somewhere, but lots of them? Practically impossible at this point. I have seen more people proven to be frauds when asserting their innocence. Some people were simply unaware they were downloading the game from unauthorized sources. Some knew they were doing so but it was the only way around region blocks. But from what I've heard so far, Kabam has yet to find a single player who was banned incorrectly and hasn't been verified to be using unauthorized software. They aren't saying they can prove those players cheated, but the bans aren't about cheating. They are about using unauthorized software or software derived from unauthorized distribution.

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Assuming they aren't lying, how are people playing on iPhones getting banned? Side loading doesn't really work on iPhones unless they're really tech savvy and they claim not to be.
Can you assume those players banned on iphone have always played on iphone

True that

The_Lokí

Kabam officially accepted that they unjustly banned some accounts. I was 100% sure about that. Hope they can do something about the Alliance war as well. A lot of alliances lost the war due to banned members.

victor158

Kabam officially accepted that they unjustly banned some accounts. I was 100% sure about that. Hope they can do something about the Alliance war as well. A lot of alliances lost the war due to banned members.

i wonder how people are gonna spin this around lol. so many posts where people were borderline insulting people who got banned cause they so damn sure that kabam couldnt have possibly done anything wrong.

smdam38

This is my alliance member; he hasn't played Necro, Epoch, or even completed 9.3. He doesn't have an r4 champion. He rarely plays BG. In the last war, he died over 10 times because he didn't bring a proper counter. How this guy can use mods? What is the reason? Can anybody explain this? This is so unethical and frustrating. The worst part is people think they are complaining for no reason. You can't just ban random people for no reason.
None of these bans were random, and so far I have yet to see convincing evidence of a single false positive ban yet. I'm not saying there isn't one out there somewhere, but lots of them? Practically impossible at this point. I have seen more people proven to be frauds when asserting their innocence. Some people were simply unaware they were downloading the game from unauthorized sources. Some knew they were doing so but it was the only way around region blocks. But from what I've heard so far, Kabam has yet to find a single player who was banned incorrectly and hasn't been verified to be using unauthorized software. They aren't saying they can prove those players cheated, but the bans aren't about cheating. They are about using unauthorized software or software derived from unauthorized distribution.

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Assuming they aren't lying, how are people playing on iPhones getting banned? Side loading doesn't really work on iPhones unless they're really tech savvy and they claim not to be.
I have no idea. However, I do know that Kabam has investigated multiple cases of people claiming they were running 100% legit software from 100% legit sources and were able to determine that was not true. There's no way to know if they were lying or mistaken, but whatever they are using to detect unauthorized software has to be looking for some sort of difference, and since every iOS install from the app store is going to be identical, and thus behave identically, any difference their technology sees has to be the result of some form of unauthorized element in the supply chain.

I'm not sitting in the room while they check, so for all I know maybe they found some problem they are working on that I am not aware of. However, at the moment I am aware of no such thing.

The most obvious reason that comes to mind is account sharing. If they shared their account credentials with a friend, a brother, an alliance mate, and those people did anything weird, Kabam may have detected that and banned them. They might not have been banned for side loading on iOS. They might have been banned for conduct not even performed on their actual phone.

Alternatively, a while ago I saw modded MCOC game clients floating around that came with instructions on how to side load them which did not require jail break. It just required a computer. I will not point to where or describe the details, but from what I could gather, any reasonably competent child could have followed the directions and side loaded MCOC with a laptop and a USB cable onto a vanilla iPhone.

Just say you don’t know and something is wrong.

FunnyDude

For those who insist Kabam is right about everything, Kabam just admitted they made mistakes in AR design and have to release a hotfix , and admitted they made mistakes in the ban

For the record, Kabam make mistakes, not the first time and not the last time.

smdam38

I was on the “mistake” train.

But, there are definitely people that have the incorrect install.

This will come back.
Uninstall and reinstall the latest app from the correct store.

DNA3000

This is my alliance member; he hasn't played Necro, Epoch, or even completed 9.3. He doesn't have an r4 champion. He rarely plays BG. In the last war, he died over 10 times because he didn't bring a proper counter. How this guy can use mods? What is the reason? Can anybody explain this? This is so unethical and frustrating. The worst part is people think they are complaining for no reason. You can't just ban random people for no reason.
None of these bans were random, and so far I have yet to see convincing evidence of a single false positive ban yet. I'm not saying there isn't one out there somewhere, but lots of them? Practically impossible at this point. I have seen more people proven to be frauds when asserting their innocence. Some people were simply unaware they were downloading the game from unauthorized sources. Some knew they were doing so but it was the only way around region blocks. But from what I've heard so far, Kabam has yet to find a single player who was banned incorrectly and hasn't been verified to be using unauthorized software. They aren't saying they can prove those players cheated, but the bans aren't about cheating. They are about using unauthorized software or software derived from unauthorized distribution.

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Assuming they aren't lying, how are people playing on iPhones getting banned? Side loading doesn't really work on iPhones unless they're really tech savvy and they claim not to be.
I have no idea. However, I do know that Kabam has investigated multiple cases of people claiming they were running 100% legit software from 100% legit sources and were able to determine that was not true. There's no way to know if they were lying or mistaken, but whatever they are using to detect unauthorized software has to be looking for some sort of difference, and since every iOS install from the app store is going to be identical, and thus behave identically, any difference their technology sees has to be the result of some form of unauthorized element in the supply chain.

I'm not sitting in the room while they check, so for all I know maybe they found some problem they are working on that I am not aware of. However, at the moment I am aware of no such thing.

The most obvious reason that comes to mind is account sharing. If they shared their account credentials with a friend, a brother, an alliance mate, and those people did anything weird, Kabam may have detected that and banned them. They might not have been banned for side loading on iOS. They might have been banned for conduct not even performed on their actual phone.

Alternatively, a while ago I saw modded MCOC game clients floating around that came with instructions on how to side load them which did not require jail break. It just required a computer. I will not point to where or describe the details, but from what I could gather, any reasonably competent child could have followed the directions and side loaded MCOC with a laptop and a USB cable onto a vanilla iPhone.
Just say you don’t know and something is wrong.

Just say you're illiterate and replying based on recognizing the shapes of some of my words.