Is there something wrong with the Titan Crystal RNG?

I got the same champ 3 times from separate spins ? Couple of my alliance mates also pointed out the same thing.
Like I need new champs for BG and stuff. And I am here trying to grind out BG/Content but still get shafted after all this hard work. Where is the pay off for skill in this game I sometimes wonder ? The titan nexus seems the only way to get someone you actually want. I am missing crucial champs from the Titan pool.
I feel like they need to change the way the titan crystal works, or add safeguards to avoid pulls the same champ so many times..

Comments

Pikolu

The odds of getting the same champion 3 times in a row from the Titan crystal is just 1 in 324. That's pretty good odds all things considered.

Ourobøros

My first Champ from the new patch was SpIder Supreme, next one will probably be Rhulk and next Falcon, I'm so tired of this game

JackTheSnack

There was another guy on the forums talking about this and tracked how many times he had pulled the same champs

JackTheSnack

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/396585/not-opening-new-characters-in-7-star-crystals

JESUSCHRIST

The crystal opening RNG is screwed up atm

Razorlord7

My first Champ from the new patch was SpIder Supreme, next one will probably be Rhulk and next Falcon, I'm so tired of this game

Already have all of them and Rulk Duped.

Toproller89

Idk, I got Yelena and then Galan new champs so far, I’d consider that a win

Buttehrs

Rng is rng.

Montycarlo

Random number generator seems random to reader but after playing the game for 10 years. It's suffice to say that IF AI CAN be upgraded like what are seeing then so does their RNG based crystal. Yes I have red hulk, mystic spidey, BWDO all pulled from titan this last month even I couldn't believe how I could be this unlucky but then I saw MOST 28 of my alliance mates have red hulk as well. Something is fishy. Kabam is not sharing all data. Crystal is definitely skewed in some form.

Demonzfyre

The crystal opening RNG is screwed up atm

No it's not.

GroundedWisdom

Rng is rng.

This.

DrZola

A primer on RNG…

https://hackernoon.com/not-all-random-number-generators-are-created-equal

Dr. Zola

Terminatrix

Oh dear, you got Red Hulk didn't you?

SirGamesBond

A primer on RNG…

https://hackernoon.com/not-all-random-number-generators-are-created-equal

Dr. Zola

I don't doubt kabam anymore, after miike threw in the stats one time, of 300,000 new featured 6* crystal.

DrZola

A primer on RNG…

https://hackernoon.com/not-all-random-number-generators-are-created-equal

Dr. Zola
I don't doubt kabam anymore, after miike threw in the stats one time, of 300,000 new featured 6* crystal.

There would be no realistic way for a single player to know if the game’s PRNG or RNG were off.

Presumably, someone at Kabam does a periodic check to make sure things are working within acceptable parameters.

Allegations that this crystal or that crystal is *rigged* have zero basis—sample size at an individual or alliance level simply isn’t large enough to prove a flaw of that nature.

It is frustrating beyond belief to get the same champ or same class AG repeatedly. But that doesn’t prove anything is rigged—in fact, “clumpiness” seems to be a feature of the particular methodology used in MCoC (and a lot of other RNGs).

Dr. Zola

Will3808

That really sucks and I had the same thing happen to me at the beginning of the last titan cycle. With that being said, we have no where near enough data, on the player side that is, to tell if it’s truly random.

SirGamesBond

A primer on RNG…

https://hackernoon.com/not-all-random-number-generators-are-created-equal

Dr. Zola
I don't doubt kabam anymore, after miike threw in the stats one time, of 300,000 new featured 6* crystal.
There would be no realistic way for a single player to know if the game’s PRNG or RNG were off.

Presumably, someone at Kabam does a periodic check to make sure things are working within acceptable parameters.

Allegations that this crystal or that crystal is *rigged* have zero basis—sample size at an individual or alliance level simply isn’t large enough to prove a flaw of that nature.

It is frustrating beyond belief to get the same champ or same class AG repeatedly. But that doesn’t prove anything is rigged—in fact, “clumpiness” seems to be a feature of the particular methodology used in MCoC (and a lot of other RNGs).

Dr. Zola

Game has nothing against players.
I don't need to ask kabam for proof again.
Rng shows wins and losses every single day in chats.

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DNA3000

A primer on RNG…

https://hackernoon.com/not-all-random-number-generators-are-created-equal

Dr. Zola

That's not a primer. That's not much of anything really. Its a wikipedia summary, at best.

Most Vegas slot machines do not use quantum cryptographic generators or miniature lava lamps. They basically use variations on Mersenne Twister. A wikipedia jockey will say MT is insecure, and any game that relies on it can't possibly argue its lootboxes are actually random. The people who actually have to do this professionally know that what matters is sufficient randomness because "true randomness" is a vague concept at best, borderline nonsense at worst.

MT is sufficient to decide on the random chance for billions of dollars to change hands. Its what those little chips that get audited and then covered in little stickers tend to run. It comes with most modern C and C++ compilers, and probably the default RNG for half the lootboxes on the planet.

And if a human were to gather all the drop data from all the games currently running for the next fifty thousand years, the odds of them actually finding the tiny non-random issues with MT are basically zero. Lootboxes are simply way too coarse to ever show that in practice.

When it comes to lootboxes in video games, while not all RNGs are created equal, all the standard ones are good enough and completely indistinguishable. If you see non-random behavior in a lootbox, it is because some idiot thought they could roll their own RNG and decided not to use the one that comes out of the box in their language of choice. Which does happen from time to time, but when it happens it is generally ludicrously obvious,

DNA3000

It is frustrating beyond belief to get the same champ or same class AG repeatedly. But that doesn’t prove anything is rigged—in fact, “clumpiness” seems to be a feature of the particular methodology used in MCoC (and a lot of other RNGs).

It is a feature of pRNGs only in the sense that it is a feature of randomness in general. You would expect random numbers to exhibit a certain degree of "clumpiness" and any RNG that doesn't would be considered broken.

A big problem with randomness and humans is humans have a conception of what "random" is that is completely wrong. They think randomness is more "even" than it really is, that it ought to be as "featureless" as possible. So much so there's an infamous story where a college professor asks students to generate their own list of random numbers and then shuffle those into a set of actual random numbers, and the teacher can generally pick out the ones made by students almost every time. Human generated random numbers are, for lack of a better way of putting it, always trying too hard to look random. Actual random numbers, ironically, don't look random.

RNGs aren't "designed" to do anything specific. They don't "target" some "kind" of randomness. Rather, pRNGS are designed to avoid non-random behavior. They are designed to not generate patterns, except at the statistical rate those patterns ought to appear in. For the most part, when it comes to frequency (how often each number appears) and correlation (how often two numbers appear together, or are duplicated, or similar) all pRNGS tend to look alike most of the time. They kind of have to, because while there is an infinite number of ways to be non-random, there's only one way to be random. Random numbers do not have species.

GroundedWisdom

I agree. I've said for some time now that what people think random is, is actually even distribution. That's not how RNG works at all, actually. We're not guaranteed a different outcome, or even all outcomes with enough tries. They've offered that in the form of Boxes, on a small scale. Having that in a Titan Crystal would defeat the point of having a chase to begin with, and let's be honest. The chase is what drives us.

Nuclear

I opened 14 titans of which 2 were nexuses and outside the nexuses I got 9 new champs so it really seems to be RNG based cuz I only got 3 dupes and the rest were all new but then again I was saving the titans for a very long time and only had scream.

DrZola

A primer on RNG…

https://hackernoon.com/not-all-random-number-generators-are-created-equal

Dr. Zola
That's not a primer. That's not much of anything really. Its a wikipedia summary, at best.

Most Vegas slot machines do not use quantum cryptographic generators or miniature lava lamps. They basically use variations on Mersenne Twister. A wikipedia jockey will say MT is insecure, and any game that relies on it can't possibly argue its lootboxes are actually random. The people who actually have to do this professionally know that what matters is sufficient randomness because "true randomness" is a vague concept at best, borderline nonsense at worst.

MT is sufficient to decide on the random chance for billions of dollars to change hands. Its what those little chips that get audited and then covered in little stickers tend to run. It comes with most modern C and C++ compilers, and probably the default RNG for half the lootboxes on the planet.

And if a human were to gather all the drop data from all the games currently running for the next fifty thousand years, the odds of them actually finding the tiny non-random issues with MT are basically zero. Lootboxes are simply way too coarse to ever show that in practice.

When it comes to lootboxes in video games, while not all RNGs are created equal, all the standard ones are good enough and completely indistinguishable. If you see non-random behavior in a lootbox, it is because some idiot thought they could roll their own RNG and decided not to use the one that comes out of the box in their language of choice. Which does happen from time to time, but when it happens it is generally ludicrously obvious,

You expect more detail than a Wikipedia summary to get absorbed in this forum?

Dr. Zola

johnlaw3742

@DNA3000 what are your thoughts on the Global Consciousness Project (GCP), which uses a global network of random number generators to explore the possibility that events eliciting widespread human emotion or attention might influence RNG ?

Bugmat78

A primer on RNG…

https://hackernoon.com/not-all-random-number-generators-are-created-equal

Dr. Zola
I don't doubt kabam anymore, after miike threw in the stats one time, of 300,000 new featured 6* crystal.
There would be no realistic way for a single player to know if the game’s PRNG or RNG were off.

Presumably, someone at Kabam does a periodic check to make sure things are working within acceptable parameters.

Allegations that this crystal or that crystal is *rigged* have zero basis—sample size at an individual or alliance level simply isn’t large enough to prove a flaw of that nature.

It is frustrating beyond belief to get the same champ or same class AG repeatedly. But that doesn’t prove anything is rigged—in fact, “clumpiness” seems to be a feature of the particular methodology used in MCoC (and a lot of other RNGs).

Dr. Zola

That's my opinion - I've said it many times but the random number generator used in the MCOC code seems to have definite clumps which is why you can pull a champ 4 times out of 6 crystals in a pool. You see it clump within your own pulls or if several alliance members open crystals very closely to each other (as seen in the announcements). Whatever is used to seed the pRNG (eg time of day or whatever) seems to induce these clumps.

YodaKaj

House always wins

JESUSCHRIST

You can open 7 titan crystals and get 7 red hulk and it's still within the realm of possibility for RNG but is it acceptable for players when that happens?

HungaryHippo

The problem isn't the rng, it's the absurdly bad options being put in there ON PURPOSE.

That's where Kabam's intent gets exposed.

SirGamesBond

The problem isn't the rng, it's the absurdly bad options being put in there ON PURPOSE.

That's where Kabam's intent gets exposed.

Run run... kabam is coming with thier tanks and thier bombs and thier bombs and thier Guns in your head they are crying.

Super_Cretu90

Why not implement the Gatcha system to the Titan crystal?
There are so many people who struggle to collect Titan shards, only to see the crystal stops on the worst characters in there 3/4 of the time.