State of BGs Post-J4

From Bero's stream.

R4s as far as the eye can see.
Hopefully one of these dudes who whale out like there's no tomorrow can win C1, they deserve it.

Comments

JESUSCHRIST

Pay to win radiance

Giantwalrus56

That's Stone. Pretty sure he's one of the biggest whales in game. No shade to those who spend. You picked the wrong J4 roster metric

TotemCorruption

That's Stone. Pretty sure he's one of the biggest whales in game. No shade to those who spend. You picked the wrong J4 roster metric

Just used that as an example.
I played two matches today and both accounts had 10+ R4s.

At least with something like Magic The Gathering the top people spend $100k+ a year on it, but the top prizes also involve actual cash.
Here it's like $100k a year (or $20k or $60k or whatever) and the top prize is radiance, which is like useless when you spend that much money anyway.

peixemacaco

R5 are near

Behold

Demonzfyre

They're in celestial. Who cares? If they have those rosters and in celestial then they deserve to be there. You can't pay your way to the top of BGs. You have to have skill too.

JESUSCHRIST

More 7* rank 4 in arenas!!!

JESUSCHRIST

I went to that video and counted 19 7* rank 4 in that battlegrounds deck

Abspain101

R5 are near

Behold

Yup it's the whale chase for banquet just like last yr was the first r4s

Polygon

They're in celestial. Who cares? If they have those rosters and in celestial then they deserve to be there. You can't pay your way to the top of BGs. You have to have skill too.

Its not just celestial, its everywhere that gives a meaningful amount of radiance (meaning M3 and up) . Below that you get 60% less radiance in Quantum. Arcane and gamma basically give the same radiance

JESUSCHRIST

They're in celestial. Who cares? If they have those rosters and in celestial then they deserve to be there. You can't pay your way to the top of BGs. You have to have skill too.
Its not just celestial, its everywhere that gives a meaningful amount of radiance (meaning M3 and up) . Below that you get 60% less radiance in Quantum. Arcane and gamma basically give the same radiance

I'm done with battlegrounds, the gap is too big between whales accounts and mine

TotemCorruption

They're in celestial. Who cares? If they have those rosters and in celestial then they deserve to be there. You can't pay your way to the top of BGs. You have to have skill too.
Its not just celestial, its everywhere that gives a meaningful amount of radiance (meaning M3 and up) . Below that you get 60% less radiance in Quantum. Arcane and gamma basically give the same radiance

Which is kinda crazy if you think about it because the only two things you can buy with radiance that you can't buy with cash are the mastery point and the Spider-Punk emote. And those two can be purchased by most competitive players after one season of BG and AW.
So then you look at all these decks with 10, 12, 15 R4s, and knowing how much money that cost, and knowing that the radiance reward won't even buy you a single R4, you have to wonder what is the actual motivation.
Just to feel like a winner when you crush someone with less shameless rosters?
Does that make these people feel like winners?
To each their own I guess...

A l p h a

Stone is a fantastic player and well liked member of the community. It's his choice to spend that money because it's viable for him to do so. I am envious of him that he can but that doesn't mean he shouldn't. Personally I agree that the spending gap is getting too big now for most players. But there are also players in celestial that have far far less R4 but still make it up there purely from their insane skill levels. Play to the best of your ability with the roster you have and just try to have fun! That's what the point of the game is.

JESUSCHRIST

The moment you reach GC gamma, the accounts get bigger and bigger with more 7* rank 4

startropics

if you're skilled and understand the mode you can be a celestial player with a relatively small account. check out nick136, acefusion, and others.

the mode predominantly rewards knowledge and execution.

TotemCorruption

if you're skilled and understand the mode you can be a celestial player with a relatively small account. check out nick136, acefusion, and others.

the mode predominantly rewards knowledge and execution.

Nick136 had some good takes on this during one of his BG streams.
He made it to like C3 this season but stopped playing after the J4 sale because he knew the rosters would become crazy and he refused to spend money himself.
Like he said, there are like 3 or 4 modest rosters in celestial, people like Biz, who have insane skills and can make up for the spending gap.
But the rest, the 95%, have very expensive rosters.

SirGamesBond

Compulsory BG is full of whales post after July deals.

Pikolu

I love the dynamic that J4 deals are trash while simultaneously whales have too big of an advantage. In spite of this, many people hoped that the Odins would also give a full r4 gem, further increasing that gap

TotemCorruption

I love the dynamic that J4 deals are trash while simultaneously whales have too big of an advantage. In spite of this, many people hoped that the Odins would also give a full r4 gem, further increasing that gap

You're correct about the dynamic, but you can't group everyone into the same camp on both sides.
More to the point, however, I think whales (and I honestly hate this term, let's say big spenders) don't really care how bad the deals are.
Sure, the big spenders max out every sales event.
But they're also the ones buying up every in-between sale.
You know, those $50 for 6300 T7B and 19,000 T4A deals we see on random weekdays.
Those 5 7* sig stones for $20 deals.
Look at some of these rosters; you can't compile something like that just with maxing out the sales events.
They are spending 24/7/365. We're talking about tens of thousands of dollars a year.

And that's cool to support the game, but when these rosters take over BG, they also change the competitive ecosystem of the game.
They raise the financial threshold of competition.
So are they "ruining" the game?
In some ways, I think yes.

GroundedWisdom

Of all the expectations about J4, this one was a given. Lol.

Polygon

Stone is a fantastic player and well liked member of the community. It's his choice to spend that money because it's viable for him to do so. I am envious of him that he can but that doesn't mean he shouldn't. Personally I agree that the spending gap is getting too big now for most players. But there are also players in celestial that have far far less R4 but still make it up there purely from their insane skill levels. Play to the best of your ability with the roster you have and just try to have fun! That's what the point of the game is.

If im not mistaken, I believe he also maxes out deals for other players as well,which I'm not sure if it should be allowed in the game or not

TotemCorruption

Compulsory BG is full of whales post after July deals.

True, but at least I kept the ranting civil and dressed it up with a screenshot example.

Anyway, it was cool when I was participating in these sales, but I decided to skip this one entirely just as an experiment for myself, and now I see how it's a huge problem.
Call me a hypocrite.
Or call me a prodigal son.

TotemCorruption

Stone is a fantastic player and well liked member of the community. It's his choice to spend that money because it's viable for him to do so. I am envious of him that he can but that doesn't mean he shouldn't. Personally I agree that the spending gap is getting too big now for most players. But there are also players in celestial that have far far less R4 but still make it up there purely from their insane skill levels. Play to the best of your ability with the roster you have and just try to have fun! That's what the point of the game is.
If im not mistaken, I believe he also maxes out deals for other players as well,which I'm not sure if it should be allowed in the game or not

Folks, I only used that screenshot as an example.
Let's not focus on a single player please.
That was not my intent.

SirGamesBond

Compulsory BG is full of whales post after July deals.
True, but at least I kept the ranting civil and dressed it up with a screenshot example.

Anyway, it was cool when I was participating in these sales, but I decided to skip this one entirely just as an experiment for myself, and now I see how it's a huge problem.
Call me a hypocrite.
Or call me a prodigal son.

Haha. Funny to see a rant from your side.

This is not new, happens after every sales event. Competitive f2ps have stopped ranting on sale events. Nothing they say will change whatever kabam has decided.

People were expecting 8 r4s. 2023 July deals actually broke the economy. They are never going to let it happen again if you ask me.
I saw someone said they bought every single offer and can r4 7 champs. So that honor is reserverd for sweaty megalomaniacs dropping thousand dollars weekly.

Stopped pushing for a reason. Me as a f2p have played in top 30 aq for an year. It was surprising at one time that I had the higest prestige in the ally. But that's not possible in this aggressive monetized era.
Don't really care about the game or the whales or the pros or the noobs or anyone else. Got a small little circle that have fun together.
Enjoying the game on my alt account doing all old stuff and rebuilting. The journey is fun. Buying out everything is never going to be fun.
Keeping the passion alive and occasional rants about whalelocked normal champs not trophy champs that eveyone loves.

captain_rogers

No comment bout legacy's wrong predictions? Blink twice if you need help.

TotemCorruption

No comment bout legacy's wrong predictions? Blink twice if you need help.

Lags?
Oh you mean this guy?

ItsClobberinTime

No comment bout legacy's wrong predictions? Blink twice if you need help.
Lags?
Oh you mean this guy?

The funniest part is when he tries to justify his hypocrisy lmfao if the deals are so bad then you don't need to spend to keep up since y know they're bad and a flop.

MysticSpectrumXZ

Compulsory BG is full of whales post after July deals.
True, but at least I kept the ranting civil and dressed it up with a screenshot example.

Anyway, it was cool when I was participating in these sales, but I decided to skip this one entirely just as an experiment for myself, and now I see how it's a huge problem.
Call me a hypocrite.
Or call me a prodigal son.

Haha. Funny to see a rant from your side.

This is not new, happens after every sales event. Competitive f2ps have stopped ranting on sale events. Nothing they say will change whatever kabam has decided.

People were expecting 8 r4s. 2023 July deals actually broke the economy. They are never going to let it happen again if you ask me.
I saw someone said they bought every single offer and can r4 7 champs. So that honor is reserverd for sweaty megalomaniacs dropping thousand dollars weekly.

Stopped pushing for a reason. Me as a f2p have played in top 30 aq for an year. It was surprising at one time that I had the higest prestige in the ally. But that's not possible in this aggressive monetized era.
Don't really care about the game or the whales or the pros or the noobs or anyone else. Got a small little circle that have fun together.
Enjoying the game on my alt account doing all old stuff and rebuilting. The journey is fun. Buying out everything is never going to be fun.
Keeping the passion alive and occasional rants about whalelocked normal champs not trophy champs that eveyone loves.

I like your way of thinking. It’s impossible to buy all the offers and compete with the people that spend a lot of money. I like the game. I’m not a pro gamer. I find the game enjoyable but difficult. I haven’t completed 100 % the acts. I am ranking slowly my champs and trying not to lose the fun. The heat of wave offers are expensive. I only have 20,000 units and I don’t want to spend them. I’m reading a lot of comments about f2p and spenders and they help me to understand the reality. It’s good that people express their opinions about the game.

Gamer

No comment bout legacy's wrong predictions? Blink twice if you need help.
Lags?
Oh you mean this guy?

The funniest part is when he tries to justify his hypocrisy lmfao if the deals are so bad then you don't need to spend to keep up since y know they're bad and a flop.

That’s the thing. He can’t because to competition for the brawl. He need it even though it bad. He has 9 r4 he’s behind a lot. Of. Offer spenders

BKSwisherSweet

No comment bout legacy's wrong predictions? Blink twice if you need help.
Lags?
Oh you mean this guy?

KT1 did this too. Talks trash about the J4 deals, turns around and buys everything. Can’t fall behind by not spending.

JESUSCHRIST

The state of battlegrounds post heat wave sales is fine

Winning nonstop LOL