celestial players, tell us the keys to hitting celestial

i don't want to hear anyone complain about f2p or spending. this is not about rosters or rankups.

if any celestials read this, please give us any advice.

what do you have to put in to hit celestial?

- do you learn every champ that gets released from top to bottom?
- each meta is different. do you run the final GC meta in the offseason nonstop many hours a day so you know what works and doesn't?
- there are secret tricks to get faster times that most 5 hit combo players don't know, how do you figure them out?
- in season, how many GC matches do you run? 50? 100? 200? do you keep going until you hit your goal?
- can high ranks be actually farmed? ie. if you win 52% of the time, can you play enough rounds to reach your goal?
- do you figure out metas by yourself or is it a group process where the best players get in a group chat and talk about it?
-what works and what doesn't?

thanks!

Comments

ShashankGupta

Money is the key for celestial that's it
For pure f2p you have to be in top alliance luckily and get the top rewards rankup the meta champs as much as possible get the top aq bg aw rewards and then f2p skilled player can reach to c5 at most or maybe C4 with pure skill

startropics

Money is the key for celestial that's it
For pure f2p you have to be in top alliance luckily and get the top rewards rankup the meta champs as much as possible get the top aq bg aw rewards and then f2p skilled player can reach to c5 at most or maybe C4 with pure skill

i wanna know how players are outperforming their decks, it doesn't matter if they spend or not. for all we know there could be mysterium players using a deck of mostly 6*s and their advice is still welcome.

Rayven5220

Check out mcocmisery on YT.
He has a 3 video playlist about BG's that gives some awesome tips about the draft, building a deck and such.

startropics

Check out mcocmisery on YT.
He has a 3 video playlist about BG's that gives some awesome tips about the draft, building a deck and such.

thanks, will check it out

MystG

There's a guy named Nick on YouTube, I saw him do his 5th r4 recently, I'm not sure if he's f2p or not, but he finished c5 or c6 this season I assume.

I'm sure most f2p players can have at least 4 r4s by now. not to mention that the biggest 7 stars like Onslaught and Serpent have been given out for free in the past few months.

So, reaching celestial is not impossible, it's just about skill and dedication to play as much as you can. (even Beroman loses a lot if you check his streams, but he gets back up and plays dozens more matches and catches up)

For me personally, I find the effort to reward ratio much better in the lower leagues, for example, I play around 50-60 matches every season and finish gamma or arcane, while there must be people who play 500 matches and finish in mysterium etc. so 3x more rewards for 10x more effort.

There have been times when I've spent upto 10 hours playing in a day, like when new content drops etc., but there’s no way I’m grinding Battlegrounds for 4, 6, or 10 hours straight. I do play a few matches every day or two, which already eats up 1-2 hours of my game time, and it already starts to feel boring.

JESUSCHRIST

From what I noticed, spending money is necessary to hitting celestial followed by playing battlegrounds full time

Sakkban

It’s probably a mix of factors, money alone isn’t everything. Like someone else pointed out, take the content creator Nick136. I’m not sure if he’s completely ftp, but he’s definitely not a whale. Still, he managed to finish C4 or C5 this season.

Honestly, the biggest factor is probably the grind. You can spend all the money in the world, but if you’re not putting in several hours a day, you’re just not reaching the top ranks. Nick136 streams a lot and clearly puts in the time. If you want to see what real C1 effort looks like, just check out BeroMan’s streams, he sometimes grinds 5-6 hours straight. And the crazy part? You can spend hours grinding only to end up exactly where you started. It’s brutal. That would break most people, but those guys just keep going. It takes serious willpower, a competitive mindset, and insane skill.

What I’m really curious about is whether these guys have any kind of life outside the game. Trappy, one of the cooler creators, finally hit C1 recently, then quit, saying it was wrecking his mental health. Totally get it. Spending hours every single day on a mobile game with barely any reward? You kinda have to be a little crazy 😄

Aleor

>> this is not about rosters or rankups
And that's where you're wrong. Very often the winner will be defined by who has more top defenders, who drafts more annoying defenders, who has new shiny counter for some difficult fight, who has higher rank defender and wins his fight faster. The only possible scenario where you win vs stronger opponent is when you get more luck in draft phase (but it's never just luck, it depends on your deck), or when your opponent doesn't know how to play well (but again, why would somebody who doesn't know how to play the game spend thousands of dollars on it)

Ackbar67

As a disclaimer, I spend more time in Mysterium than Celestial, but here's some things to keep in mind.

In order to do well, you need to know how every champ works defensively, and how every champ in your deck works offensively. You don't want to be stuck in a situation where you throw a match because you don't know how to dex a new special, or were forced into using an attacker you aren't familiar with. On top of that, it's important to learn exactly how good the various matchups are. That varies a lot based on the meta, so the best way is by noting not only how the fights you take feel, but paying attention to how your opponent's fights go. Keep in mind that the first 3 weeks really don't matter for final placement, so use those as an opportunity to try things out. Once you get to the point where you know what to expect out of most matchups you can plan your placements better; if you know you have a 50k fight you can afford to place a defender that's going to give them a 48k and probably save something better for a future round. That takes a lot of time and practice, but it's a big part of playing at the highest levels.

As for your question about how much to play, generally the more the better. You asked what would happen with a 52% win rate, and the answer is that you overall increase. If you look at a GC match with equal rating, you'll notice that the winner gets one more point than the loser loses. This means that with even an exactly 50% win rate and roughly equal matches, you'll slowly gain points over time. The hard part is maintaining that 50% as you get higher and higher. If it's near the end of the season you usually want to play until you get a lucky string of wins, then call it quits.

Many high level battlegrounds players stream, and it's one of the best ways to learn fights without doing them yourself. The streams tend to also attract their peers, and most are happy to talk about strategy or specific champs. If you're serious about getting better, regularly tuning in to a variety of streamers is a great way to learn more

Savage123456789

i don't want to hear anyone complain about f2p or spending. this is not about rosters or rankups.

if any celestials read this, please give us any advice.

what do you have to put in to hit celestial?

- do you learn every champ that gets released from top to bottom?
- each meta is different. do you run the final GC meta in the offseason nonstop many hours a day so you know what works and doesn't?
- there are secret tricks to get faster times that most 5 hit combo players don't know, how do you figure them out?
- in season, how many GC matches do you run? 50? 100? 200? do you keep going until you hit your goal?
- can high ranks be actually farmed? ie. if you win 52% of the time, can you play enough rounds to reach your goal?
- do you figure out metas by yourself or is it a group process where the best players get in a group chat and talk about it?
-what works and what doesn't?

thanks!

This is partially due to roster or rankups. You don't need to have all the best champions ranked up, but you do want many of the top champions for the meta. This will make it easier to strategize your bans, increase your win to loss ratio and help you climb faster. The less optimal your roster is, then the more skill and time to grind needed to compensate. Even beroman, andrew the ruff etc, you can see how many hours they play on stream and still can go on a tilt but have to claw those points back. You give them a less ideal roster, they can probably finish in celestial but will need more effort than they currently give to BGs. At a certain point, you reach equilibrium where you have exhausted your roster and skill capabilities.

Samanun

You dont need to be particularly skilled just finish high health thats really all there is to it, also making sure your drafts and bans are good which is a trial and error thing

Polygon

>> this is not about rosters or rankups
And that's where you're wrong. Very often the winner will be defined by who has more top defenders, who drafts more annoying defenders, who has new shiny counter for some difficult fight, who has higher rank defender and wins his fight faster. The only possible scenario where you win vs stronger opponent is when you get more luck in draft phase (but it's never just luck, it depends on your deck), or when your opponent doesn't know how to play well (but again, why would somebody who doesn't know how to play the game spend thousands of dollars on it)

The ones that are saying you only need skill without heavy spending and citing Nick as an example, arent taking into consideration that last meta was more friendly to smaller decks and was more draft dependent based on who pulled the top attackers which included 6* like Kate. In a regular meta he most likely wouldn't be able to repeat or he would have a much more difficult time doing so.

Ragnaruk5178

@Polygon really valid point made here

MrSanguini

>> this is not about rosters or rankups
And that's where you're wrong. Very often the winner will be defined by who has more top defenders, who drafts more annoying defenders, who has new shiny counter for some difficult fight, who has higher rank defender and wins his fight faster. The only possible scenario where you win vs stronger opponent is when you get more luck in draft phase (but it's never just luck, it depends on your deck), or when your opponent doesn't know how to play well (but again, why would somebody who doesn't know how to play the game spend thousands of dollars on it)
The ones that are saying you only need skill without heavy spending and citing Nick as an example, arent taking into consideration that last meta was more friendly to smaller decks and was more draft dependent based on who pulled the top attackers which included 6* like Kate. In a regular meta he most likely wouldn't be able to repeat or he would have a much more difficult time doing so.

He hit Mysterium in the previous season, and the one before that too, so no.

Graves_3

You dont need to be particularly skilled just finish high health thats really all there is to it, also making sure your drafts and bans are good which is a trial and error thing

What exactly is skill according to you? If finishing with high health and making smart bans and drafts isn’t.

Polygon

>> this is not about rosters or rankups
And that's where you're wrong. Very often the winner will be defined by who has more top defenders, who drafts more annoying defenders, who has new shiny counter for some difficult fight, who has higher rank defender and wins his fight faster. The only possible scenario where you win vs stronger opponent is when you get more luck in draft phase (but it's never just luck, it depends on your deck), or when your opponent doesn't know how to play well (but again, why would somebody who doesn't know how to play the game spend thousands of dollars on it)
The ones that are saying you only need skill without heavy spending and citing Nick as an example, arent taking into consideration that last meta was more friendly to smaller decks and was more draft dependent based on who pulled the top attackers which included 6* like Kate. In a regular meta he most likely wouldn't be able to repeat or he would have a much more difficult time doing so.
He hit Mysterium in the previous season, and the one before that too, so no.

? The thread is specifically titled Celestial. You can get Mysterium f2p, nobodys arguing against that. We're saying you definitely have to be spending to get Celestial. And for most of them, whaling. Thats why some of the lesser spend Celestial players quit.

Samanun

You dont need to be particularly skilled just finish high health thats really all there is to it, also making sure your drafts and bans are good which is a trial and error thing
What exactly is skill according to you? If finishing with high health and making smart bans and drafts isn’t.

I said you dont need to be particularly skilled, meaning you dont need to be highly skilled i wasnt saying that you dont need any skill at all.

The skill i was referring to was in fight skill being mechanically skilled, knowing and being able to perform different techs/a.i manipulation and implement them effectively into your gameplay, which isnt a requirement to get atleast c6,
and it doesnt take alot of skill to finish high health either as long as your not trying to do something you know you cant and you have decent in fight decision making then your good enough. Alot of people in in c6 and even c5 arent even that good and just rely on their megalodon rosters you can easily beat them just by finishing high health even some people that were in c4 arent that good i know there were a couple people up there that i was beating like 90% of the matches we played despite me having a smaller roster.

And i see alot of people on here saying you need money to place celestial... you dont. No money, no crazy roster, no crazy skills, i am like 95% ftp the last time i spent on this game was for the dazzler track and the last time i spent on any big event was like 2020 4th of july

Demonzfyre

I'm gonna guess they win matches to get there...

Demonzfyre

Money is the key for celestial that's it
For pure f2p you have to be in top alliance luckily and get the top rewards rankup the meta champs as much as possible get the top aq bg aw rewards and then f2p skilled player can reach to c5 at most or maybe C4 with pure skill

You can't spend your way to the top in BGs.

DannyB01

Skill, knowledge and a good enough roster. My most recent placement was Quantum 2, I can say plenty of celestial players have beaten me. They are simply more skilled, more consistent and make better decisions. At least half the time I’ll have the better roster, but I would beat a celestial player maybe 20% of the time and mainly because the draw was on my side.

Deacon

the draft #1. if RNG hits you, it doesn't matter how big your roster is or how skilled you are. if you have a terrible draft. you're done.

roster #2. it's extremely important to have the usual suspects on defense. being able to dish out R4s on defense instead of R1s or R2s is already an advantage.

skill #3. you can overcome a lot of #1 and #2 with the proper skill but only so much. hence why it's #3 because skill alone is definitely not the answer to being high in BGs. but it does take some skill. you can endure forfeits all the way to Celestial because your "big" roster will be matched.

the grind #4. you have to put the time in. it could go south or north but if you play a lot then odds are eventually you'll reach higher ranks if you have some variation of #1-#3.

GroundedWisdom

I think Bero might have some suggestions.

Chikel

I don't understand why some are lots of disagrees on people who say roster matters. Is this still MCOC or are we talking about another game?

In fact, BGs is the one area of the game where roster has a bigger impact than skill. If you're cracked and hate yourself you can do necropolis with 3 stars, possibly get solos even but your roster of 7* R3s and R2s with some 6*s are going to struggle massively against the whale accounts with with all the latest most annoying defenders at R4 max sig unless your opponent has zero skill.

Yes of course skill can give you an edge but to a certain limit. The people you see at Celestial have massively rosters for a reason. Most (if not all) of them spend real money in the game.

I personally reach GC every season easily (I usually have between 5-10 and sometimes even 12 W/L ratio) but then I go do something else with my life and only play the final week to get to Gamma or something.

startropics

I don't understand why some are downvoting people who say roster matter. Is this still MCOC or are we talking about another game?

In fact, BGs is the one area of the game where roster has a bigger impact than skill. If you're cracked and hate yourself you can do necropolis with 3 stars, possibly get solos even but your roster of 7* R3s and R2s with some 6*s are going to struggle massively against the whale accounts with with all the latest most annoying defenders at R4 max sig unless your opponent has zero skill.

Yes of course skill can give you an edge but to a certain limit. The people you see at Celestial have massively rosters for a reason. Most (if not all) of them spend real money in the game.

I personally reach GC every season easily (I usually have between 5-10 and sometimes even 12 W/L ratio) but then I go do something else with my life and only play the final week to get to Gamma or something.

because like genetics, nothing can be done about rosters. you can't skill your way into it or click a few things and magically fix it but all the behavior based things that affect your BG rank are in your control.

when you learn a sport like BJJ, what they teach is skill. there are grapplers who weight 130 pounds who beat other trained grapplers who are much bigger.

the guy on the left is one of the greatest grapplers of all time, but he was small (150-170 pounds) and was known for beating other world class fighters who were must bigger than him (220+ pounds).

rosters are important, but some are putting too much weight into it. telling someone that they should never do MMA cause they're 5'6" 140 is like saying "just spend more" in mcoc. it's not practical. everyone can learn and max out their BG "masteries".

KillerM

@startropics lol where did you find that knowledge that mysterium players are having decks with 6*. thats a long time ago my friend maybe they have 1 or 2 champs like Kate Hulkling or Electro. But no one in mysterium has a deck full of 6*

startropics

@startropics lol where did you find that knowledge that mysterium players are having decks with 6*. thats a long time ago my friend maybe they have 1 or 2 champs like Kate Hulkling or Electro. But no one in mysterium has a deck full of 6*

that was just an example. ie. players outperforming their decks.

Deacon

skill #3. you can overcome a lot of #1 and #2 with the proper skill but only so much. hence why it's #3 because skill alone is definitely not the answer to being high in BGs. but it does take some skill. you can't* endure forfeits all the way to Celestial because your "big" roster will be matched.

just an edit because i missed the timer to this part ... (you can't)

Savage123456789

People think Beroman and Andrew the ruff among others, spend on events because they just love the game that much 🤣 There some who do that because part of the enjoyment is having a big roster and high prestige, they don’t care that much of the competitive scene, but that’s not the majority of spenders

Phantøm_Echø

>> this is not about rosters or rankups
And that's where you're wrong. Very often the winner will be defined by who has more top defenders, who drafts more annoying defenders, who has new shiny counter for some difficult fight, who has higher rank defender and wins his fight faster. The only possible scenario where you win vs stronger opponent is when you get more luck in draft phase (but it's never just luck, it depends on your deck), or when your opponent doesn't know how to play well (but again, why would somebody who doesn't know how to play the game spend thousands of dollars on it)
The ones that are saying you only need skill without heavy spending and citing Nick as an example, arent taking into consideration that last meta was more friendly to smaller decks and was more draft dependent based on who pulled the top attackers which included 6* like Kate. In a regular meta he most likely wouldn't be able to repeat or he would have a much more difficult time doing so.
He hit Mysterium in the previous season, and the one before that too, so no.
? The thread is specifically titled Celestial. You can get Mysterium f2p, nobodys arguing against that. We're saying you definitely have to be spending to get Celestial. And for most of them, whaling. Thats why some of the lesser spend Celestial players quit.

Pepe's f2p account chills in Celestial 5-6 throughout most of the season it is definitely possible

Doug555

With the introduction of Radiance store, a lot more people started grinding Battlegrounds harder recently. Higher placements give more opportunities to grow and expand your roster even bigger. There is no Big secret to reach Celestial, it is a hard grind involving skill, roster, money, time and energy consumption.

1. Yes, you have to be skillful and know the ablilities of all champs in the game, old and the newest ones. Because different metas make different champions more or less relevant, and you have to know about new champs asap as they might already be in your opponents` decks in higher ranks.

2. Yes, if you do not have insane skills to do well specifically in Battlegrounds, i.e. short form content (even if you are good at war or necropolis), you have to have bigger than average roster at your bracket to compensate it, every second, every extra hp/attack value matters.

3. Yes, the Luck is a factor, you can get horrible drafts and stupid AI over and over again and lose several matches in a row. No, mcoc Gods have nothing to do with it, it is random, and possibly a tilt mentality kicking in. Take a break, stop playing. Do not be greedy at the end of a season, if you get bigger rosters and/or cheaters all the time, stop where you are. You have better chances to place higher at the end this way.

4. Strategy and flexibility are Important. Not just a draft and placement shenanigans during matches, I am talking about organizing and prioritizing your whole roster (rank ups, sig stones, crystal/champ selectors, etc.) around current relevant meta and today`s defender demands. The goal of reaching and staying in the top of Battlegrounds brackets requires these decisions and sacrifices. Every time. Also, you change your deck several times in the same meta depending on the performance of the champions in current metas, and skillful players` adaptability to make them irrelevant over time.

5. Burnout. If you spend time, energy, money and still can not get to the placement that you really want, do Not push yourself to sabotage your mental/physical/financial health. Go work on your skills and lower the importance of winning in the super competitive modes. Or you will kill the entire fun and enjoyment of playing this game in the first place.

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