Help? Advice? I dunno

Demonzfyre

This VT BGs meta is a slog. I feel I'm doing zero damage almost always. Can't charge a heavy because everyone and their mom has max limber. Here's my deck. Make fun of it, give me advice on it, make me feel bad about it but I want to get through this VT.

FiiNCH

Share your rank 3’s & 2’s so we can see if you’re missing anyone from your roster @Demonzfyre

Also, I literally didn’t try to utilise the heavy attack part of the nodes once in my run to GC.

Searmenis

For starters, you barely have any heal block champs in it.

Demonzfyre

FiiNCH said:

Share your rank 3’s & 2’s so we can see if you’re missing anyone from your roster @Demonzfyre

Also, I literally didn’t try to utilise the heavy attack part of the nodes once in my run to GC.

R3s end at Vox

Average_Desi

If you have stupefy and max parry, you should never have a problem, landing a heavy

Demonzfyre

Average_Desi said:

If you have stupefy and max parry, you should never have a problem, landing a heavy

1/3 and 1/3. I don't know where I moved them too lol. I rarely change my masteries

captain_rogers

Why do you want to throw a heavy? Does it do anything am I missing any node? Also use dot and burst champs primarily as cowardice only affect hit damage during specials

Magrailothos

I'm still working through VT, because I was prioritising Saga Incursions. I don't think I've intentionally used the Heavy attack (or bothered about #Coda) so far, either.

Heal Block champs could be useful, but if you run max Despair, I would think you'll be fine, as you'll be able to shut Regen down with loads of your champs (Okoye, Chee, Nico, Onslaught, etc).

There's plenty of defensive options in your deck, so maybe take out Destroyer?

Remember that a defending Attuma isn't going to benefit from the Regeneration nodes as much as other champs, since his base Regen is only 40%.

Then watch out to see if you're running into other people's Attumas: if other people leave him out this meta (or you've got the option of banning him) then do you need Negasonic?

That could free up 2-3 slots for heal blocking or high-debuff champions like Ironheart, who's working as well as usual for me.

Demonzfyre

captain_rogers said:

Why do you want to throw a heavy? Does it do anything am I missing any node? Also use dot and burst champs primarily as cowardice only affect hit damage during specials

No clue. But my usual nuke attackers feel like I'm using Groot. So trying to figure out something else. BWDO is one my best nukes for SP2 and she feels like a noodle.

Razorlord7

Demonzfyre said:

This VT BGs meta is a slog. I feel I'm doing zero damage almost always. Can't charge a heavy because everyone and their mom has max limber. Here's my deck. Make fun of it, give me advice on it, make me feel bad about it but I want to get through this VT.

Can't seem to find red hulk there. I thought you were a big fan of him and slandered herc as meta. Look who's got the most meta mystic at r4 now ?

Demonzfyre

Magrailothos said:

I'm still working through VT, because I was prioritising Saga Incursions. I don't think I've intentionally used the Heavy attack (or bothered about #Coda) so far, either.

Heal Block champs could be useful, but if you run max Despair, I would think you'll be fine, as you'll be able to shut Regen down with loads of your champs (Okoye, Chee, Nico, Onslaught, etc).

There's plenty of defensive options in your deck, so maybe take out Destroyer?

Remember that a defending Attuma isn't going to benefit from the Regeneration nodes as much as other champs, since his base Regen is only 40%.

Then watch out to see if you're running into other people's Attumas: if other people leave him out this meta (or you've got the option of banning him) then do you need Negasonic?

That could free up 2-3 slots for heal blocking or high-debuff champions like Ironheart, who's working as well as usual for me.

I leave attuma in generally for the thorns style damage. Most aren't drafting NTW. So at least they're taking that damage.

FiiNCH

Demonzfyre said:

captain_rogers said:

Why do you want to throw a heavy? Does it do anything am I missing any node? Also use dot and burst champs primarily as cowardice only affect hit damage during specials

No clue. But my usual nuke attackers feel like I'm using Groot. So trying to figure out something else. BWDO is one my best nukes for SP2 and she feels like a noodle.

Any of your champs that rely on special attack damage will feel under powered because of the cowardice node. You need to try and focus on champs who do a lot of those damage through basic attacks or debuffs.

I know you don’t a few of these, but for an example, the best attackers in my deck were starky, tigra, Medusa, okoye etc.

Average_Desi

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

If you have stupefy and max parry, you should never have a problem, landing a heavy

1/3 and 1/3. I don't know where I moved them too lol. I rarely change my masteries

Even if you don't have max parry(useful for sunspot and red guardian), you NEED max Stupefy

Dirty_Dozz

captain_rogers said:

Why do you want to throw a heavy? Does it do anything am I missing any node? Also use dot and burst champs primarily as cowardice only affect hit damage during specials

With the node, when you charge heavies you gain temperature (like Torch). Once at 100, your basic attacks deal 50(?)% of your attack as instant damage. So it's a nice way to make up for the damage you're missing from your SPs.

Demonzfyre

FiiNCH said:

Demonzfyre said:

captain_rogers said:

Why do you want to throw a heavy? Does it do anything am I missing any node? Also use dot and burst champs primarily as cowardice only affect hit damage during specials

No clue. But my usual nuke attackers feel like I'm using Groot. So trying to figure out something else. BWDO is one my best nukes for SP2 and she feels like a noodle.

Any of your champs that rely on special attack damage will feel under powered because of the cowardice node. You need to try and focus on champs who do a lot of those damage through basic attacks or debuffs.

I know you don’t a few of these, but for an example, the best attackers in my deck were starky, tigra, Medusa, okoye etc.

Any suggestions for swaps? I don't have ranked tigra or starky

GroundedWisdom

Yeah, your two options are either Heal Block/Reversal, or doing enough Damage to counter the Regen. I'm there with you. Still adjusting. I'll take this over the Power Gain, but it's still a pain. I find there's little benefit from Attack this Season.

Demonzfyre

Average_Desi said:

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

If you have stupefy and max parry, you should never have a problem, landing a heavy

1/3 and 1/3. I don't know where I moved them too lol. I rarely change my masteries

Even if you don't have max parry(useful for sunspot and red guardian), you NEED max Stupefy

ahmynuts

Be like me and never change your masteries and battle deck no matter the meta

FiiNCH

Demonzfyre said:

FiiNCH said:

Demonzfyre said:

captain_rogers said:

Why do you want to throw a heavy? Does it do anything am I missing any node? Also use dot and burst champs primarily as cowardice only affect hit damage during specials

No clue. But my usual nuke attackers feel like I'm using Groot. So trying to figure out something else. BWDO is one my best nukes for SP2 and she feels like a noodle.

Any of your champs that rely on special attack damage will feel under powered because of the cowardice node. You need to try and focus on champs who do a lot of those damage through basic attacks or debuffs.

I know you don’t a few of these, but for an example, the best attackers in my deck were starky, tigra, Medusa, okoye etc.

Any suggestions for swaps? I don't have ranked tigra or starky

I’d definitely get shathra in your deck. She’s a little slower than normal but still works well.

I’d also get spiderwomen in too, she’s still a fast attacker in this meta, and Crossbones also works well (can bypass the power drain when he has enough furies)

Champs id take out are destroyer, Sym supreme and Gorr.

Demonzfyre

FiiNCH said:

Demonzfyre said:

FiiNCH said:

Demonzfyre said:

captain_rogers said:

Why do you want to throw a heavy? Does it do anything am I missing any node? Also use dot and burst champs primarily as cowardice only affect hit damage during specials

No clue. But my usual nuke attackers feel like I'm using Groot. So trying to figure out something else. BWDO is one my best nukes for SP2 and she feels like a noodle.

Any of your champs that rely on special attack damage will feel under powered because of the cowardice node. You need to try and focus on champs who do a lot of those damage through basic attacks or debuffs.

I know you don’t a few of these, but for an example, the best attackers in my deck were starky, tigra, Medusa, okoye etc.

Any suggestions for swaps? I don't have ranked tigra or starky

I’d definitely get shathra in your deck. She’s a little slower than normal but still works well.

I’d also get spiderwomen in too, she’s still a fast attacker in this meta, and Crossbones also works well (can bypass the power drain when he has enough furies)

Champs id take out are destroyer, Sym supreme and Gorr.

I'll try it, thanks! Thoughts on gamora since she can ramp basic attacks?

Searmenis

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

If you have stupefy and max parry, you should never have a problem, landing a heavy

1/3 and 1/3. I don't know where I moved them too lol. I rarely change my masteries

Even if you don't have max parry(useful for sunspot and red guardian), you NEED max Stupefy

You don t need that many points in Assassin, keep max 2 there, and use the rest for Stupefy and Inequity. I ll take a few from Limber as well to add to Inequity.

Average_Desi

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

If you have stupefy and max parry, you should never have a problem, landing a heavy

1/3 and 1/3. I don't know where I moved them too lol. I rarely change my masteries

Even if you don't have max parry(useful for sunspot and red guardian), you NEED max Stupefy

For BG specifically, you don't need glass canon since that reduces the health of your defenders and attackers. So you're losing out on a lot of points . The attack bonus does not compensate for it. Make it zero.

Also, max precision is good instead of courage. You don't really want to be playing below 50% health in BG

Max assasin is useless. 1 is enough. Get 1 in unfazed.

Remove 1 point from dexterity (unless you run Okoye).

No need max willpower . Invest into inequity instead

Demonzfyre

Average_Desi said:

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

If you have stupefy and max parry, you should never have a problem, landing a heavy

1/3 and 1/3. I don't know where I moved them too lol. I rarely change my masteries

Even if you don't have max parry(useful for sunspot and red guardian), you NEED max Stupefy

For BG specifically, you don't need glass canon since that reduces the health of your defenders and attackers. So you're losing out on a lot of points . The attack bonus does not compensate for it. Make it zero.

Also, max precision is good instead of courage. You don't really want to be playing below 50% health in BG

Max assasin is useless. 1 is enough. Get 1 in unfazed.

Remove 1 point from dexterity (unless you run Okoye).

No need max willpower . Invest into inequity instead

Word ty

FiiNCH

Demonzfyre said:

FiiNCH said:

Demonzfyre said:

FiiNCH said:

Demonzfyre said:

captain_rogers said:

Why do you want to throw a heavy? Does it do anything am I missing any node? Also use dot and burst champs primarily as cowardice only affect hit damage during specials

No clue. But my usual nuke attackers feel like I'm using Groot. So trying to figure out something else. BWDO is one my best nukes for SP2 and she feels like a noodle.

Any of your champs that rely on special attack damage will feel under powered because of the cowardice node. You need to try and focus on champs who do a lot of those damage through basic attacks or debuffs.

I know you don’t a few of these, but for an example, the best attackers in my deck were starky, tigra, Medusa, okoye etc.

Any suggestions for swaps? I don't have ranked tigra or starky

I’d definitely get shathra in your deck. She’s a little slower than normal but still works well.

I’d also get spiderwomen in too, she’s still a fast attacker in this meta, and Crossbones also works well (can bypass the power drain when he has enough furies)

Champs id take out are destroyer, Sym supreme and Gorr.

I'll try it, thanks! Thoughts on gamora since she can ramp basic attacks?

I’ve honestly never used her so I can’t really give you any advice. From what I know, she might work well in principle. I just don’t know how she stacks up against the meta defenders

Magrailothos

Average_Desi said:

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

If you have stupefy and max parry, you should never have a problem, landing a heavy

1/3 and 1/3. I don't know where I moved them too lol. I rarely change my masteries

Even if you don't have max parry(useful for sunspot and red guardian), you NEED max Stupefy

For BG specifically, you don't need glass canon since that reduces the health of your defenders and attackers. So you're losing out on a lot of points . The attack bonus does not compensate for it. Make it zero.

Also, max precision is good instead of courage. You don't really want to be playing below 50% health in BG

Max assasin is useless. 1 is enough. Get 1 in unfazed.

Remove 1 point from dexterity (unless you run Okoye).

No need max willpower . Invest into inequity instead

I'd agree with most of this, except Courage.

You might not want to be Attacking at <50% health, but I can guarantee you'll be <i>defending at <50% health.

That's the same rationale for Unfazed, after all: it's for your defenders.

Gamora is okay, but needs to land regular heavy attacks, and you'll be dependent on the SP2 armour breaks boosting your damage, since the SP1 and it's bleed will be gimped by Cowardice.

Also, consider just how many Bleed champions do you actually plan to use?

It's going to be good for Okoye, but will do very little for Gorr and Chee, who have really long bleed debuffs already.

Are there really enough champions benefiting from that five points?

Average_Desi

Magrailothos said:

Average_Desi said:

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

If you have stupefy and max parry, you should never have a problem, landing a heavy

1/3 and 1/3. I don't know where I moved them too lol. I rarely change my masteries

Even if you don't have max parry(useful for sunspot and red guardian), you NEED max Stupefy

For BG specifically, you don't need glass canon since that reduces the health of your defenders and attackers. So you're losing out on a lot of points . The attack bonus does not compensate for it. Make it zero.

Also, max precision is good instead of courage. You don't really want to be playing below 50% health in BG

Max assasin is useless. 1 is enough. Get 1 in unfazed.

Remove 1 point from dexterity (unless you run Okoye).

No need max willpower . Invest into inequity instead

I'd agree with most of this, except Courage.

You might not want to be Attacking at <50% health, but I can guarantee you'll be <i>defending at <50% health.

That's the same rationale for Unfazed, after all: it's for your defenders.

Gamora is okay, but needs to land regular heavy attacks, and you'll be dependent on the SP2 armour breaks boosting your damage, since the SP1 and it's bleed will be gimped by Cowardice.

Also, consider just how many Bleed champions do you actually plan to use?

It's going to be good for Okoye, but will do very little for Gorr and Chee, who have really long bleed debuffs already.

Are there really enough champions benefiting from that five points?</p>

I hadn't considered that factor for courage. I do keep one for getting the other masteries.

As for Deep Wounds, Okoye is the main investment at the moment. With am extra point in dex (Radiance store), im able to shut down MD so she can take Mystic champs easily now.

I'm also kind of attached to it due to Nick Fury even though he isn't on my deck anymore. Archangel benefits crazily from it too.

Also, are you sure the bleed will be gimped? Cowardice seem to only affect hit damage.

Magrailothos

Average_Desi said:

Magrailothos said:

Average_Desi said:

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

Demonzfyre said:

Average_Desi said:

If you have stupefy and max parry, you should never have a problem, landing a heavy

1/3 and 1/3. I don't know where I moved them too lol. I rarely change my masteries

Even if you don't have max parry(useful for sunspot and red guardian), you NEED max Stupefy

For BG specifically, you don't need glass canon since that reduces the health of your defenders and attackers. So you're losing out on a lot of points . The attack bonus does not compensate for it. Make it zero.

Also, max precision is good instead of courage. You don't really want to be playing below 50% health in BG

Max assasin is useless. 1 is enough. Get 1 in unfazed.

Remove 1 point from dexterity (unless you run Okoye).

No need max willpower . Invest into inequity instead

I'd agree with most of this, except Courage.

You might not want to be Attacking at <50% health, but I can guarantee you'll be <i>defending at <50% health.

That's the same rationale for Unfazed, after all: it's for your defenders.

Gamora is okay, but needs to land regular heavy attacks, and you'll be dependent on the SP2 armour breaks boosting your damage, since the SP1 and it's bleed will be gimped by Cowardice.

Also, consider just how many Bleed champions do you actually plan to use?

It's going to be good for Okoye, but will do very little for Gorr and Chee, who have really long bleed debuffs already.

Are there really enough champions benefiting from that five points?</p>

I hadn't considered that factor for courage. I do keep one for getting the other masteries.

As for Deep Wounds, Okoye is the main investment at the moment. With am extra point in dex (Radiance store), im able to shut down MD so she can take Mystic champs easily now.

I'm also kind of attached to it due to Nick Fury even though he isn't on my deck anymore. Archangel benefits crazily from it too.

Also, are you sure the bleed will be gimped? Cowardice seem to only affect hit damage.

Actually yeah - I think you're right. It's basically the opposite of Prowess, isn't it?