Yondu is kinda heat now

R4 unascended 6* Yondu, no boosts, synergies, or relic.

Sub minute for 550k damage is not bad at all. The Ruptures being a 100% chance to trigger instead of the old 40% chance for Bleed is a massively understated buff to both his damage, power control, and utility, you can very easily maintain around 5 Ruptures. Being able to just throw combos into a passive opponent’s block and guarantee 2 Ruptures is also nice.

Comments

Oakenshield

Yeah I did a match of the silly card game and threw a photon up against him. Wasn’t really paying attention and suddenly she had almost no health left. Had forgotten he was buffed with the patch, but definitely more of a nuisance now.

WednesdayLength

He was already great, this just made him way better

captain_rogers

Daddy got buffed. When can I expect one?😭😭

Squidopus

He was already great, this just made him way better

I think great is maybe pushing it a bit, but I did have a soft spot for older Yondu. He was one of my earlier r4 6*s when his first buff went live, and I think he was underrated but he definitely had faults. I struggled to justify using him as time went on and the cracks added up as power creep hit. This time around I think Yondu is just straight-up gonna be meta, especially if they release him as a 7*.

ShashankGupta

What about other buffs are they good?

captain_rogers

What about other buffs are they good?

Voodoo buff is great he is one of the best power control champs in game now.

MorningstarIsBae

What about other buffs are they good?
Voodoo buff is great he is one of the best power control champs in game now.

He always was. But his dmg against poison immune got a big upgrade

ShashankGupta

Daddy got buffed. When can I expect one?😭😭

Honestly I feel they wasted a slot they really could have buffed star lord silver centurion or darkhawk who just needs some tweaks and whereas they could have fixed viv vision bug via patch update really upset in that

CheeseMaster482

He's crazy now. Rank 1 six star hitting 8k mediums. Definitely the best buff out of the 9 champs, hopefully he's in the selector.

WednesdayLength

Daddy got buffed. When can I expect one?😭😭
Honestly I feel they wasted a slot they really could have buffed star lord silver centurion or darkhawk who just needs some tweaks and whereas they could have fixed viv vision bug via patch update really upset in that

Viv was always going to be added in this pool, tuning up the rest of them came later. It's not just buffs remember, it's also her being 7 star which is huge for her

CheeseMaster482

Just checked and Yondu isn't even in the 7 star list. They got viv trashion but not Yondu dawg.

NoahSansman

Just checked and Yondu isn't even in the 7 star list. They got viv trashion but not Yondu dawg.

It would be very odd of them to buff a champion with no plans of releasing him as a 7*. If he's not one yet, he will be one soon.

captain_rogers

Just checked and Yondu isn't even in the 7 star list. They got viv trashion but not Yondu dawg.

I think he is likely going to be in December titan as the old champ.

WednesdayLength

Just checked and Yondu isn't even in the 7 star list. They got viv trashion but not Yondu dawg.

Because he's not being added as a7 star yet.

CheeseMaster482

Just checked and Yondu isn't even in the 7 star list. They got viv trashion but not Yondu dawg.
It would be very odd of them to buff a champion with no plans of releasing him as a 7*. If he's not one yet, he will be one soon.

Another Kabam L. Rework a champ and leave him at 6 star status. Why is Patriot even in the selector when all he got was a tune up.

Armageddøn

They still have time to change the selector to Modok and Yondu
Patriot exists in basics so nobody is going to pick him from selector anyway

captain_rogers

Wait yondu inflicts 60% stifle on sp1 (and a heal block), and every debuff reduce cpr by 10%, and on top of that we have collar tech, so Yondu can easily reduce opponent cpr to 0 like p99 for the entire fight? Am I missing something?

Cat_Murdock

Wait yondu inflicts 60% stifle on sp1 (and a heal block), and every debuff reduce cpr by 10%, and on top of that we have collar tech, so Yondu can easily reduce opponent cpr to 0 like p99 for the entire fight? Am I missing something?

Stifle is Offensive Combat Power Rate, not Defensive, this is more of an annoyance on Defense, or if you get hit in the face

Cat_Murdock

He was already great, this just made him way better

Rahhh always has been 😤💙🔥🦅‼️ best tech 4 ever

WednesdayLength

Just checked and Yondu isn't even in the 7 star list. They got viv trashion but not Yondu dawg.
It would be very odd of them to buff a champion with no plans of releasing him as a 7*. If he's not one yet, he will be one soon.
Another Kabam L. Rework a champ and leave him at 6 star status. Why is Patriot even in the selector when all he got was a tune up.

Sinister and red guardians took months to come as 7 stars, but they did come

NoahSansman

Just checked and Yondu isn't even in the 7 star list. They got viv trashion but not Yondu dawg.
It would be very odd of them to buff a champion with no plans of releasing him as a 7*. If he's not one yet, he will be one soon.
Another Kabam L. Rework a champ and leave him at 6 star status. Why is Patriot even in the selector when all he got was a tune up.
Sinister and red guardians took months to come as 7 stars, but they did come

Sinister was buffed May of last year. The game was in a much different place then when it comes to 7*s.

Magrailothos

I was preparing my own thread, but have decided I should add my thoughts here.

For anyone who hasn't read Yondu's buff notes, it's mostly about damage:

Bleed has been switched out for Rupture.
Also he inflicts Rupture more often than he used to inflict bleed.
And his Fury boost after SP2 lasts a lot longer (functionally, around twice as long)
He's got a small boost to his Block and Armour penetration
And some minor tweaks you'll barely notice.

It doesn't sound like much. It's simple.

But simple, in a game where champs are increasingly complex, can be good. Yondu is a simple character, but he's effective. Particularly at armoured champions, and those that regenerate or have Prowess. Or those that like to turtle up, because he can do very solid damage through block.

He's got no timers to watch, no charges to manage, no complex rotations to learn: play completely normally. Hit into block if you like, because the damage is still good. Throw SP2s for a high-damage phase. That's literally it.

So, despite playing him very simply indeed, the damage is a lot better. Here's ROL Winter Soldier with a 5/65 Yondu, pre-buff and post-buff. Take a look at the times, and especially the relative DoT damage:

Pre-buff:

Post-buff:

However, whilst this could be mistaken for a simple damage tune-up, that's not the full impact of these changes. Because of the switch from Bleed to Rupture, this buff is going to be beneficial for a huge number of opponents. But some of them aren't immediately obvious, so I thought it could be interesting/helpful to call some of them out.

Now I'm not going to try listing every bleed-immune champion this is going to help with - you can find one of those elsewhere. But considering opponents who actually benefit from or punish Bleed/Armour Break, or who are immune to both, this buff makes him substantially better against these opponents:

Mutants
Apocalypse, Bishop, Cable, Domino, Dust, Gambit, Havok, Magneto, Omega Red, Onslaught, Sauron, Storm, Weapon-X

Mystics
Absorbing Man, Clare Voyant, Destroyer, Dragon Man, Mangog, Man-Thing

Cosmic
Corvus, Serpent, Superior Iron Man

Skill
Attuma, Elsa Bloodstone, Moondragon

Tech
Arnim Zola, Bastion, CapSam, Civil Warrior, Hulkbuster, Lady Deathstrike, Nimrod, Omega Sentinel, Sentinel

Science
Abomination, Photon

Of course, there are a handful of opponents where this buff isn't helpful: Mister Sinister is still an issue. And arguably Yondu is actually a lot less good against Emma Frost: that Armour break was clutch for keeping her under control, and it won't activate against her, any more.

Also, he'll be less effective against quite a few Science champions:
Mostly, those who are rupture-immune (Scorpion, Silk, Spider-punk), those with very high physical resistance, and a few who actually have a specific weakness to Bleed (Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Thing)

Utility

So what else does Yondu do?

Sig ability - unchanged; this helps him tank Special attacks quite spectacularly.

Combat power mitigation - also unchanged, although he places more Rupture debuffs for longer than Bleeds, which will make this ability more effective. It's definitely visibly effective at limiting the number of Specials you have to deal with; although not so effective that it prevents you ramping up your SP2 Fury ability. I can see that these two abilities might appear counter-intuitive; but really, it works fine in practice.

Pilfer armour and Prowess - he's a little better at doing both of these. This is actually very useful, particularly since he can do it using basic attacks, and through block. And he can manage Armour buffs on champs resistant to Armour Break or Nullify, like Red Skull and Civil Warrior.

Finally, for some reason, they've given Yondu an immunity to Concussion Debuffs when fighting against Mutant Champions. This seems pretty niche; because although Concussion is actually something several mutants do (Apocalypse, Gambit, Emma Frost, Mister Sinister, Stryfe), they mostly do it by hitting you with an SP2, at which point the actual concussion is the least of your worries. So I suspect that this tweak is intended to help him deal with particular War node placements where people like to put Mutant defenders.

Can he defend?

I'd predict that Yondu is going to be a useful stall defender:

He's got a non-contact opening Light attack.
He's going to slow down attackers with a solid Stifle ability from his special-1.
He's going to resist damage with his Sig ability
He also inflicts serious Rupture damage through block.

----

Nice to see other people's thoughts, especially a well-known Yondu fan, @Cat_Murdock

Personally I think this is a good buff, broadening the useability and enhancing the damage of an unusual champ. And he's gone from being useable but niche (and very dependent on RNG) to being much more effective in a wide variety of situations; as an effective DoT-dealing champ.

WhoDaPoo

Just checked and Yondu isn't even in the 7 star list. They got viv trashion but not Yondu dawg.
It would be very odd of them to buff a champion with no plans of releasing him as a 7*. If he's not one yet, he will be one soon.
Another Kabam L. Rework a champ and leave him at 6 star status. Why is Patriot even in the selector when all he got was a tune up.

Maybe he's the next plat track champ. It would make some sense to hype him up by the 6 star to make people want him as a 7*.

EdisonLaw

I was preparing my own thread, but have decided I should add my thoughts here.

For anyone who hasn't read Yondu's buff notes, it's mostly about damage:
Bleed has been switched out for Rupture.
Also he inflicts Rupture more often than he used to inflict bleed.
And his Fury boost after SP2 lasts a lot longer (functionally, around twice as long)
He's got a small boost to his Block and Armour penetration
And some minor tweaks you'll barely notice.
It doesn't sound like much. It's simple.

But simple, in a game where champs are increasingly complex, can be good. Yondu is a simple character, but he's effective. Particularly at armoured champions, and those that regenerate or have Prowess. Or those that like to turtle up, because he can do very solid damage through block.

He's got no timers to watch, no charges to manage, no complex rotations to learn: play completely normally. Hit into block if you like, because the damage is still good. Throw SP2s for a high-damage phase. That's literally it.

So, despite playing him very simply indeed, the damage is a lot better. Here's ROL Winter Soldier with a 5/65 Yondu, pre-buff and post-buff. Take a look at the times, and especially the relative DoT damage:

Pre-buff:

Post-buff:

However, whilst this could be mistaken for a simple damage tune-up, that's not the full impact of these changes. Because of the switch from Bleed to Rupture, this buff is going to be beneficial for a huge number of opponents. But some of them aren't immediately obvious, so I thought it could be interesting/helpful to call some of them out.

Now I'm not going to try listing every bleed-immune champion this is going to help with - you can find one of those elsewhere. But considering opponents who actually benefit from or punish Bleed/Armour Break, or who are immune to both, this buff makes him substantially better against these opponents:

Mutants
Apocalypse, Bishop, Cable, Domino, Dust, Gambit, Havok, Magneto, Omega Red, Onslaught, Sauron, Storm, Weapon-X

Mystics
Absorbing Man, Clare Voyant, Destroyer, Dragon Man, Mangog, Man-Thing

Cosmic
Corvus, Serpent, Superior Iron Man

Skill
Attuma, Elsa Bloodstone, Moondragon

Tech
Arnim Zola, Bastion, CapSam, Civil Warrior, Hulkbuster, Lady Deathstrike, Nimrod, Omega Sentinel, Sentinel

Science
Abomination, Photon

Of course, there are a handful of opponents where this buff isn't helpful: Mister Sinister is still an issue. And arguably Yondu is actually a lot less good against Emma Frost: that Armour break was clutch for keeping her under control, and it won't activate against her, any more.

Also, he'll be less effective against quite a few Science champions:
Mostly, those who are rupture-immune (Scorpion, Silk, Spider-punk), those with very high physical resistance, and a few who actually have a specific weakness to Bleed (Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Thing)

Utility

So what else does Yondu do?

Sig ability - unchanged; this helps him tank Special attacks quite spectacularly.

Combat power mitigation - also unchanged, although he places more Rupture debuffs for longer than Bleeds, which will make this ability more effective. It's definitely visibly effective at limiting the number of Specials you have to deal with; although not so effective that it prevents you ramping up your SP2 Fury ability. I can see that these two abilities might appear counter-intuitive; but really, it works fine in practice.

Pilfer armour and Prowess - he's a little better at doing both of these. This is actually very useful, particularly since he can do it using basic attacks, and through block. And he can manage Armour buffs on champs resistant to Armour Break or Nullify, like Red Skull and Civil Warrior.

Finally, for some reason, they've given Yondu an immunity to Concussion Debuffs when fighting against Mutant Champions. This seems pretty niche; because although Concussion is actually something several mutants do (Apocalypse, Gambit, Emma Frost, Mister Sinister, Stryfe), they mostly do it by hitting you with an SP2, at which point the actual concussion is the least of your worries. So I suspect that this tweak is intended to help him deal with particular War node placements where people like to put Mutant defenders.

Can he defend?

I'd predict that Yondu is going to be a useful stall defender:
He's got a non-contact opening Light attack.
He's going to slow down attackers with a solid Stifle ability from his special-1.
He's going to resist damage with his Sig ability
He also inflicts serious Rupture damage through block.
----

Nice to see other people's thoughts, especially a well-known Yondu fan, @Cat_Murdock

Personally I think this is a good buff, broadening the useability and enhancing the damage of an unusual champ. And he's gone from being useable but niche (and very dependent on RNG) to being much more effective in a wide variety of situations; as an effective DoT-dealing champ.

Great guide, he is definitely super versatile now as a two way champ

ItsClobberinTime

Just checked and Yondu isn't even in the 7 star list. They got viv trashion but not Yondu dawg.
It would be very odd of them to buff a champion with no plans of releasing him as a 7*. If he's not one yet, he will be one soon.
Another Kabam L. Rework a champ and leave him at 6 star status. Why is Patriot even in the selector when all he got was a tune up.
Maybe he's the next plat track champ. It would make some sense to hype him up by the 6 star to make people want him as a 7*.

Pretty sure the next plat track champ is going to be Mephisto, they said the next plat track champ after Capt. Britain is a villain and a pretty intense one. A Mephisto buff on attack would 100% make sense, and now that Torch is a 7* he won't be as much of a threat on defense. Still a threat but not Enchantress level like he would've been back when we didn't have Torch Nefaria Red Guardian etc.

EdisonLaw

Just checked and Yondu isn't even in the 7 star list. They got viv trashion but not Yondu dawg.
It would be very odd of them to buff a champion with no plans of releasing him as a 7*. If he's not one yet, he will be one soon.
Another Kabam L. Rework a champ and leave him at 6 star status. Why is Patriot even in the selector when all he got was a tune up.
Maybe he's the next plat track champ. It would make some sense to hype him up by the 6 star to make people want him as a 7*.
Pretty sure the next plat track champ is going to be Mephisto, they said the next plat track champ after Capt. Britain is a villain and a pretty intense one. A Mephisto buff on attack would 100% make sense, and now that Torch is a 7* he won't be as much of a threat on defense. Still a threat but not Enchantress level like he would've been back when we didn't have Torch Nefaria Red Guardian etc.

Ghost Rider better win the buff vote then

CheeseMaster482

Just checked and Yondu isn't even in the 7 star list. They got viv trashion but not Yondu dawg.
It would be very odd of them to buff a champion with no plans of releasing him as a 7*. If he's not one yet, he will be one soon.
Another Kabam L. Rework a champ and leave him at 6 star status. Why is Patriot even in the selector when all he got was a tune up.
Maybe he's the next plat track champ. It would make some sense to hype him up by the 6 star to make people want him as a 7*.
Pretty sure the next plat track champ is going to be Mephisto, they said the next plat track champ after Capt. Britain is a villain and a pretty intense one. A Mephisto buff on attack would 100% make sense, and now that Torch is a 7* he won't be as much of a threat on defense. Still a threat but not Enchantress level like he would've been back when we didn't have Torch Nefaria Red Guardian etc.
Ghost Rider better win the buff vote then

Ghost Rider did win

EdisonLaw

Just checked and Yondu isn't even in the 7 star list. They got viv trashion but not Yondu dawg.
It would be very odd of them to buff a champion with no plans of releasing him as a 7*. If he's not one yet, he will be one soon.
Another Kabam L. Rework a champ and leave him at 6 star status. Why is Patriot even in the selector when all he got was a tune up.
Maybe he's the next plat track champ. It would make some sense to hype him up by the 6 star to make people want him as a 7*.
Pretty sure the next plat track champ is going to be Mephisto, they said the next plat track champ after Capt. Britain is a villain and a pretty intense one. A Mephisto buff on attack would 100% make sense, and now that Torch is a 7* he won't be as much of a threat on defense. Still a threat but not Enchantress level like he would've been back when we didn't have Torch Nefaria Red Guardian etc.
Ghost Rider better win the buff vote then
Ghost Rider did win

He did? I didn’t notice

WednesdayLength

Just checked and Yondu isn't even in the 7 star list. They got viv trashion but not Yondu dawg.
It would be very odd of them to buff a champion with no plans of releasing him as a 7*. If he's not one yet, he will be one soon.
Another Kabam L. Rework a champ and leave him at 6 star status. Why is Patriot even in the selector when all he got was a tune up.
Sinister and red guardians took months to come as 7 stars, but they did come
Sinister was buffed May of last year. The game was in a much different place then when it comes to 7*s.

Was it? Like what was so different about the game a year ago in terms of 7 stars?

WednesdayLength

I was preparing my own thread, but have decided I should add my thoughts here.

For anyone who hasn't read Yondu's buff notes, it's mostly about damage:
Bleed has been switched out for Rupture.
Also he inflicts Rupture more often than he used to inflict bleed.
And his Fury boost after SP2 lasts a lot longer (functionally, around twice as long)
He's got a small boost to his Block and Armour penetration
And some minor tweaks you'll barely notice.
It doesn't sound like much. It's simple.

But simple, in a game where champs are increasingly complex, can be good. Yondu is a simple character, but he's effective. Particularly at armoured champions, and those that regenerate or have Prowess. Or those that like to turtle up, because he can do very solid damage through block.

He's got no timers to watch, no charges to manage, no complex rotations to learn: play completely normally. Hit into block if you like, because the damage is still good. Throw SP2s for a high-damage phase. That's literally it.

So, despite playing him very simply indeed, the damage is a lot better. Here's ROL Winter Soldier with a 5/65 Yondu, pre-buff and post-buff. Take a look at the times, and especially the relative DoT damage:

Pre-buff:

Post-buff:

However, whilst this could be mistaken for a simple damage tune-up, that's not the full impact of these changes. Because of the switch from Bleed to Rupture, this buff is going to be beneficial for a huge number of opponents. But some of them aren't immediately obvious, so I thought it could be interesting/helpful to call some of them out.

Now I'm not going to try listing every bleed-immune champion this is going to help with - you can find one of those elsewhere. But considering opponents who actually benefit from or punish Bleed/Armour Break, or who are immune to both, this buff makes him substantially better against these opponents:

Mutants
Apocalypse, Bishop, Cable, Domino, Dust, Gambit, Havok, Magneto, Omega Red, Onslaught, Sauron, Storm, Weapon-X

Mystics
Absorbing Man, Clare Voyant, Destroyer, Dragon Man, Mangog, Man-Thing

Cosmic
Corvus, Serpent, Superior Iron Man

Skill
Attuma, Elsa Bloodstone, Moondragon

Tech
Arnim Zola, Bastion, CapSam, Civil Warrior, Hulkbuster, Lady Deathstrike, Nimrod, Omega Sentinel, Sentinel

Science
Abomination, Photon

Of course, there are a handful of opponents where this buff isn't helpful: Mister Sinister is still an issue. And arguably Yondu is actually a lot less good against Emma Frost: that Armour break was clutch for keeping her under control, and it won't activate against her, any more.

Also, he'll be less effective against quite a few Science champions:
Mostly, those who are rupture-immune (Scorpion, Silk, Spider-punk), those with very high physical resistance, and a few who actually have a specific weakness to Bleed (Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Thing)

Utility

So what else does Yondu do?

Sig ability - unchanged; this helps him tank Special attacks quite spectacularly.

Combat power mitigation - also unchanged, although he places more Rupture debuffs for longer than Bleeds, which will make this ability more effective. It's definitely visibly effective at limiting the number of Specials you have to deal with; although not so effective that it prevents you ramping up your SP2 Fury ability. I can see that these two abilities might appear counter-intuitive; but really, it works fine in practice.

Pilfer armour and Prowess - he's a little better at doing both of these. This is actually very useful, particularly since he can do it using basic attacks, and through block. And he can manage Armour buffs on champs resistant to Armour Break or Nullify, like Red Skull and Civil Warrior.

Finally, for some reason, they've given Yondu an immunity to Concussion Debuffs when fighting against Mutant Champions. This seems pretty niche; because although Concussion is actually something several mutants do (Apocalypse, Gambit, Emma Frost, Mister Sinister, Stryfe), they mostly do it by hitting you with an SP2, at which point the actual concussion is the least of your worries. So I suspect that this tweak is intended to help him deal with particular War node placements where people like to put Mutant defenders.

Can he defend?

I'd predict that Yondu is going to be a useful stall defender:
He's got a non-contact opening Light attack.
He's going to slow down attackers with a solid Stifle ability from his special-1.
He's going to resist damage with his Sig ability
He also inflicts serious Rupture damage through block.
----

Nice to see other people's thoughts, especially a well-known Yondu fan, @Cat_Murdock

Personally I think this is a good buff, broadening the useability and enhancing the damage of an unusual champ. And he's gone from being useable but niche (and very dependent on RNG) to being much more effective in a wide variety of situations; as an effective DoT-dealing champ.

Stifle doesn't start defensive power rate

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