Rhino Buff only cames live next month but we pls remove this from the kit?

This wouldn't be a issues if was in a Tech champion but what is supost to be the compensation ins't worth and it does not benefit a science champion, it's even worst it's a Trauma based champion that gives up to 95% physical burst

Multiple science characters have to crit or something else to take the best out of Trauma or burst characters in general

Joaquim Torres deal a ton of damage when he crits with the Trauma+fury,Hulk has hyper potent furies and multiple physical Vulnerabilities to combo the Trauma, Deathless She Hulk stacks them on basic attack and they gain more potency overtime,Red Hulk only does good damage when he crits and the burst complements, Red Guardian can One shot the opponent in a single S2 if crits with the Trauma,for non science thats a thing for characters like Hercules who abuse crit stat boosters like Cruelty and precision , Solvarch who recently released has a problem of not having a compensation for the lack of crit and his burst is up to 300% of the damage dealt by his attack

it could not make much difference when it releases and i'm overthinking stuff but after what they did to Modok i can't trust Kabam to doing Semi defense science champions and use ther defensive value as excuse to not boost ther offensive side properly

Seriously why not just boost his Crit rating based on his physical resistence soo you would have consistent crit plus a extra bonus for keep your physical resistence up for long periods

The damage he was doing in the Livestream was around 8K mediums fully ramped at R4 7 stars and even with 95% trauma thats too low for his rank

Comments

ItsClobberinTime

Because the mystic class is known for having tanky defenders that have either crit resistance or straight up immunity to crits? I do agree he needs more damage based on what I saw on the video but he doesn't need to crit, that would make him worse against the few relevant mystic defenders other than Kindred.

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868354#Comment_2868354

The relevant mystic defenders with crit resistence are Mangog, Rintrah, Absorbing man and Doom and you barely see most of the other 2 while Rintrah you see in few places

How would that make him worst if majority of the defenders don't even Interact with his kit and he barely has ultility besides Brute force trought the fights,even then you have Hulk doing absolutely great against those guys with his crits anyways

Him not criting makes no difference for a science champion and is not even close to be necessary to cut out a increase of damage even more when Traumas are a part of his damage

And Mystic class have simply 1 defender immune to crit that is Man Thing,where is Man Thing nowdays?

EdisonLaw

A science champ who cannot crit is actually pretty unique, he would be able to take matches that other science champs wouldn’t be able to take like Sinister and even Onslaught

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868364#Comment_2868364

Why would you take a Non robot against Sinister? he won't heal but is not like the Degen won't drain your HP

Other science champions can take Onslaught,i have seen people taking Onslaught with Hulkling

What Rhino did to you in this game for you to put him in those scenarios?

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868359#Comment_2868359

It's not just the mystic class, there are other defenders from other classes who also punish crits like Onslaught Sinister Thing Capt. Britain Jean and Solvarch. The changes you're suggesting would make him terrible if not useless against all these defenders + the mystic ones you already mentioned yourself.

He's fine with no crits, what he needs is increased potency to his furies and trauma debuffs so they actually deal insane damage.

As for Man-Thing, I'm in Q1 and I still run my r3 in my deck (not this current meta but I was on the last one. He's a decent trap defender and even with certain champs like Nefaria it takes a good amount of time to take him out. As for Abs and Doom, we will probably have both as 7* soon and when that happens, Rhino's value would drop even further if they actually let him crit.

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868380#Comment_2868380

Why are you guys putting him against meta defenders his clearly not a good option as much as ultility as from damage or survival

You won't use him against Sinister because his not a robot and he affects bleeds and not Degens, Onslaught deals energy damage at base and you already barely see a science champion against him and Rhino won't be close to a option even without crit,Thing he can be taken anyways and you already don't see him in most modes besides few maps in war, Why would you use him against Captain Britain anyways if even with Maker Pre fight he doesn't have anything to counter her and the pre fight would last even less, his not a good option for Jean anyways because it depends on you knowing how to counter Reverse controls mostly and not crit hits, Solvarch would decrease his damage even lower it already is with the armors and we don't know if his new Debuff also Trigger his Awakening since his Awakening counters way more than it's described

"He's fine with no crits, what he needs is increased potency to his furies and trauma debuffs so they actually deal insane damage."

How is he fine with no crit with such low damage and if you have Traumas you need something to boost your damage to make them more valuable, he doesn't have anything besides survival and Unstoppable

"But if he was going to crit he wouldn't be able to take those meta defenders" even without crit he doesn't have a single tool to fight those defenders even with synergy and pre fights,you are putting him in fights he wouldn't be a good option regardless if he crits or not or he has more or less damage

Herbal_Taxman

well, this is an odd thread…

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868382#Comment_2868382

Because half the time you won't draft perfect counters in BGs, that's the whole point of a champ having utility. You eliminate crits and he can take all the matchups I mentioned why are you so against giving him more utility? We're literally just asking to increase his damage and the amount of matchups he can take at the same time lol.

YouYou do realize you can use non robots against Sinister and just bait sp2? I've literally used Kate in the current GC meta and previous ones.

I literally see Thing in a lot of decks in Q1 do you even play BGs at all or you just play in VT? I'm very confused right now. Thing is one of the best defenders in the current GC meta.

Again, you're assuming you always draft counters for these defenders in BGs, you don't.

Are you even reading what I'm typing? I said increase fury potency and traumas to make up for the lack or crits instead of asking for crits and shutting down all the other matchups he could potentially do if he doesn't crit.

He wouldn't but if you give him crits you would make him significantly worse against all of them? Why would you even want to do that? This has to be the dumbest argument I've ever had with someone when it comes to buffs and nerfs honestly

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868387#Comment_2868387

I was writing for 5 minutes to in the end notice that none of this will matter next week and nothing will change, they won't give him Crits or more damage to make up for it,they ruined Modok offensive and now they are doing a knock off Juggernaut with less ultility and way less damage and somehow 3-4 ultilities that mostly won't work expect Unstoppable

him criting or not wouldn't change his a mediocre attacker with minimal ultility and just excuse for a New defender,neither you and i writing essays will change ther plans in the end

Just do me and yourself a favor and don't come back no matter what non-existent point you try to prove,simply read his buff kit and compare to what he can actually do against the defenders you mentioned besides not criting, not all game comes down to just one element to make the difference against multiple fights

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868385#Comment_2868385

This is just 2 random dumb@$$es arguing about something that don't even exist yeat and It's not even close to being something that the two of them think it is.

threads like this will never change don't matter who's commenting or who posting

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868397#Comment_2868397

Yes he is a mediocre attacker, but the problem isn't that he doesn't crit it's the furies and the traumas not giving him enough damage, hence my suggestion increasing fury and trauma potency so he deals more damage while still not being able to crit.

The only reason you refuse to reply to that "essay" is because you are a dumbass yourself: "WhY WoULd YoU UsE a NoNRoBoT AgAiNsT SiNiStEr" as if Shocker wasn't one of the best Sinister counters in the entire game simply because he doesn't crit but still deals massive damage AND he is a non robot vulnerable to his degens, just like Rhino would be if his trauma and furies dealt massive damage instead of whatever this is. You my friend have the cognitive ability of a sloth.

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868398#Comment_2868398

They didn't ruin modok, hes actually pretty solid on offense if you can get a decent sig level on him and his sp2 hits pretty hard when it crits

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868407#Comment_2868407

"You my friend have the cognitive ability of a sloth."

I at least have the excuse of being tired of discussing with random people on the internet and working on commissions all dawn

Whats your excuse to going for insults and ignorance and completly dismiss the list of characters that i gave that work around burst and how they make It work at the main post, and if you want to mention Dumb Argument i can bring up the first time i talked with you that you used a 7* Gentle on realm of legends against 2 4* and said "see, Gentle is consistent with his crit and still work even with the most defensive AI in the game you just don't know how to play him" and completly ignored the several time i mentioned challeger rating mechanic that increases or decrease you crit rating based on rarity,even worst is you said that the S1 and S2 rotation was unreliable when in practice is way worst and he becomes way more RNG dependent

Recently you tryied to say that Cull Obsidian problem was never his block proficiency and when other people pointed out it was you tryied to prove your point and keeped discussing with them

If you want to try to bring something i did you can check my profile and see me having the same type of discussion over and over and over and over again in this forum,it never changes how it works as much as in Discord or reddit

"Yes he is a mediocre attacker, but the problem isn't that he doesn't crit it's the furies and the traumas not giving him enough damage" If you know his bad attacker than why insist for over 6 hours he can take down meta defenders with mostly energy damage and protections that reduces your damage and he has no ability to counter besides Unstoppable and the not crit that only affects certain parts of ther kit and don't stop ther kit as a whole

In every argument you have hammered down that this alone is enough for him to handle it and even when you try to buff his furies to 300% won't be enough because he has no tools for those fights, somehow you think the Not crit alone can make him viable against characters he already ain't a good option even with higher damage

It's easy to call someone names while covering your ears and ignoring what the other person is saying to be right about your own view, this is the solo place i saw someone trying to defend Rhino not being able to crit and even more trying to be this try hard

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868420#Comment_2868420

i remember someone doing Captain Marvel in realm of legends in a minute with him, he got more 4 Incinarates on heavy and they removed the guareented crit soo skill champions can decrease it

His a worst Captain Britain in the sense of the rework not changing the offensive besides numbers and being heavy majority defense focused

It's semi guareented 200% damage increase after 7 hits and a chance of more 240% if you get the second crit increase from the flux

Rintrah Synergy is now stronger at least with the extra Incinarate but nothing realy changed to be worth the wait, same way they are doing with Rhino

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868427#Comment_2868427

You say he had no meaningful offensive change but the fact that he can parry on auto block now means you can play him like Arcade. You can just spam heavy, which also has a much higher chance of placing incinerate due to his new sig ability, without worrying about getting hit for the most part. Obviously it's not as fool proof as Arcade but it massively increases how easy it is to get all of his incinerates up and ticking, and while his crit rate could be a bit higher if not guaranteed on his 7th hit it does mean that he can hit huge sp2s and while flux is random it does have a noticeable impact on his damage. I've gotten a few bg wins with him on offense, he's not the fastest in the world but you can just spam heavies super consistently now which is the biggest bump for him

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868439#Comment_2868439

"he can parry on auto block"

can't even deny thats on me because din't play his rework that much or simply din't remember,my is a maxed out 5 stars soo theres ins't much room to work

"and while his crit rate could be a bit higher if not guaranteed on his 7th hit it does mean that he can hit huge sp2s and while flux is random it does have a noticeable impact on his damage"

his crit is around 11,000 if i'm not mistaken and i mentioned that of the damage possibility

"It's semi guareented 200% damage increase after 7 hits and a chance of more 240% if you get the second crit increase from the flux"

Thats one the things that i don't like on his kit that he still has other flux bonusses that i don't think you notice most of the time unlike the attack and crit damage increase

Also thats a R6 7* attack increase,the R3 is 7K attack

You convinced me to go after Modok 7 stars, unduped but it is what is

psp742

I wish kabam just did a rework on Rhino.. (not that anyone cares for him) add short invulnerability and unstoppable when he dash in to his kit, potent trauma [or new ability to <negate armor>] and fury stacks ('x' max) in Marvel comics the Rhino hide is tough so 90% to 100% bleed resistance.

NOTE: since crit and crit damage are low.. Rhino would need to have armor penetration and ability to lower opponent armor and <negate> block proficiency..

above certain combo he gains unblockable [sort of like Nova reach 100] [the unstoppable invulnerability and unblockable on an opponent with <negated armor and block proficiency> might equate to a big damage payout].

Understandably not all buff will make a champion into Serpent, Onslaught or Bullseye.. they don't need to reach God-tier but they need to have nitch that makes them specific counters for.

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Hope everyone here keeps a level head.. this is a game.. wanting a champion to have certain abilities matching the Marvel comics is nice and all but remember this is Marvel Contest of Champions.. so the rules don't apply [might be because they are in a wormhole dimensional rift that not within TVA jurisdiction.

Anyways, hope we all chill and enjoy the game.. peace!!!

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868439#Comment_2868439

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i din't even saw i had everything at 285K points

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868424#Comment_2868424

Three BGs seasons in and I'm still using Gentle reliably in Quantum 1, so yes you were wrong and judging by the fact you're still using 6* you're probably a noob who doesn't really know what they're talking about.

Cull's block proficiency with the right stat focus and statcast relic is the same as Medusa Galan Gladiator and Hyperion, where are all these complaints about the massive block damage they take? I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing, I brought up numbers and facts.

Excuse me? Didn't you call me and the other guy dumbasses first for pointing out the fact that your logic is dumb? Lol

Because the whole point was there are ways to give him more damage while keeping the crit thing as is, and if they increased the trauma and fury potency he would be able to take the defenders I mentioned easily in respectable times, something he wouldn't be able to do if they just give him crits like you suggested, which is a brain dead suggestion.

Starky has tools to handle Onslaught and Zola? What about Shocker for Sinister? They literally don't have anything that shuts down the abilities in their kits but they can play around them. Rhino has safe intercepts for days and he'd be great for that trash Onslaught AI, he'd also be great for Sinister due to the crit thing. The problem is you don't think outside the box, your brain just processes big yellow numbers and that's it.

You're literally trying to argue that not being able to land crits does nothing for him when I literally just explained to you that not landing crits would open up a lot of matchups that he can't or would struggle to do if he does crit, you're just too dense to understand what I'm trying to explain to you. He needs more damage, but not some half assed fix such as giving him big yellow numbers, what he needs is increased potency to the abilities he already has.

Furrymoosen

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868368#Comment_2868368

Of all the nonsense in this post, this takes the cake.

You don't need a robot to beat Sinister. They may have a special advantage, but a heal block or non-critting champ is always a better route. No one said you have to get some degen on you.

Hulkling isn't a science champ, so why would he magically enter the conversation? There are champs in every class that can take Onslaught. What does that have to do with Rhino?

You're dead set on a buff that isn't live being terrible and acting like it's the worst thing to happen to the game. You're presenting poor argument against every reasonable response being made to your overreacting about something that doesn't exist yet. Maybe wait until the buff is live and make an educated guess rather than making assumptions? The ability to not crit is a useful and still fairly rare utility in the game and there's really little reason to just take a dump on it when we all know that something on Kabam paper doesn't always translate well to real life.

captain_rogers

We have million science champs that crits broski. One guy who doesn't will be definitely beneficial.

WhisperDARK

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868461#Comment_2868461

But like I literally responded to you in a different post where I explained why those champions' low block proficiency is easy to ignore and that Hyperion is pure RNG that sucks most of the time so he needs that crit rating bonus. I even brought out the numbers, are you still not convinced or what? Why not come up with a counter-argument instead?

About the Rhino rework, I'll just say one thing. Being unable to crit works out only if the damage loss is compensated in some way or the champion has some armor penetration to ignore resistances. Think about it, a physical resistance stat focus which is around 20% potency will flat out reduce Rhino's whole damage output by 20%. Its also not uncommon to put physical resistance on mystic defenders, hope you guys don't put block penetration on Rintrah instead as if his blocked hits are a threat in the first place? Many people also put physical resistance on Onslaught btw.

You can increase fury and trauma potency all you want, if you're so vulnerable to have your damage cut in half by the tiniest amount of physical resistance it just won't work well in many scenarios.

Also how does Shocker not have anything in kit to counter Sinister, he's literally immune to concussion.

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868529#Comment_2868529

Dude is literaly in the first post why a trauma/burst champion that the damage is based on the first damage of your attack need to crit or something to compensate,none of the fights that require not criting much he can take on,he doesn't have the tools or damage

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868461#Comment_2868461

"Excuse me? Didn't you call me and the other guy dumbasses first for pointing out the fact that your logic is dumb? Lol"

Just gonna ask, who where are 2 people on this thread with the most comments, theres only 2 people on this thread who keeped discussing for hours and gonna still be discussing even tought it's already another day

Buttehrs

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868424#Comment_2868424

The real question is, why are you wasting your time on this argument when you should be doing something your getting paid to finish? Priorities my guy.

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868565#Comment_2868565

something that i already finished and you don't need both hands on in the computer to type, this is a social midia and It doesn't take much to use and you can a lot of stuff while using it, also there was like a 30 minutes gap between every message or something, it din't as much time as i tought

Ercarret

I like the fact that he doesn't crit. I think that's a very valuable piece of utility and I don't think adding crits to his kit would make him a better champion…assuming that the thing he gets in return for not crit'ing is enough to offset the damage he misses out on by not crit'ing. But it sounds a bit like he could be a Science Crossbones in the sense that he's a champ outside of the Tech class that gets on of their commonly-seen pieces of utility, and I think that's pretty cool as long as he has the damage to make up for that lack of crits. Whether or not that is the case is very hard to say right now.

While I understand that some people might look at the damage we saw in the short clips and think that's underwhelming, he could be the type of champ that does solid-but-not-great damage throughout the fight instead of banking it all into his special attacks. If that's the case (and I'm not saying that it is, because I don't know), then a longer duration for his fury passives could be a worthwhile thing to gain instead of extra critical damage. Maybe it allows him to keep those furies up for a significant part of the fight, which could end up being very good for his damage output.

But we'll see. I don't care too much about his buff since he isn't available as a 7* anyway. Presumably he'll come as a 7* sooner or later somehow, but for all I know, it might be a Red Guardian-type of buff where he's basically just a pay-to-play champ as a 7*. Until I know that I can actually get my hands on a 7*, I won't get too worked up one way or another.

GilbertoJunior

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868579#Comment_2868579

"assuming that the thing he gets in return for not crit'ing is enough to offset the damage he misses out on by not crit'ing"

His furies just gain 2 extra second duration, i was gonna say they wouldn't put this buff to sale as 7* till i remembered Daredevil being sold as 7* without any changes

I think they stop caring about the fact that the quality doesn't match the price long time ago.

ItsClobberinTime

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868533#Comment_2868533

My counter argument is that 4k block proficiency is not objectively low and I still think you're overreacting, Hyperion's playstyle is also parry heavy and he rarely takes any meaningful amount of block damage. This isn't about "oh but that's because Hyperion needs the crit rating more", it's the fact that objectively he doesn't take much block damage so he doesn't need the extra block proficiency, so as long as you run block proficiency stat and the SIM stat cast on Cull, the block proficiency isn't as much of an issue as you're making it out to be. Sure without these the block proficiency is ass, but with them it's decent enough, not great but not low anymore just averageish.

That is true, I don't disagree with that, I want more damage but I'd also want them to keep the non crits and trauma debuffs as core mechanics because that would make him very unique.

I was talking about the degens specifically since according to op Sinister is unkillable if you don't have anything to counter his degens, probably should've worded that one differently.

WhisperDARK

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2868597#Comment_2868597

I'm all for unique designs, I don't want them to give Rhino crits either. I just don't think something like increased fury/trauma potencies would work out either. I feel like he'll struggle with resistances and armor a lot more than your usual champion. Not sure what the most ideal solution would be but he needs some way to at least partially get through those resistances. Otherwise, he'll just be a situational defender and nothing else which would actually be quite the disappointment.

Also Hyperion doesn't take much damage only if he can nuke in a single rotation which is just 2-3 parries at most and if he can't, his low block proficiency will be felt a lot more. Not like it will hurt your soul everytime you miss a parry but nothing insignificant either. Cull won't take as much damage if he can nuke with just a few parries as well, that's the most ideal scenario though. It may not be felt from a single parry against Red Skull but it will if Bullseye decides to randomly throw his sp1 into block. That's my main concern here, matchups like Photon, Bullseye, Onslaught won't go as easy on your block. I may definitely be overreacting on the case of Cull's block proficiency but we'll hopefully see if it makes sense or not in the next meta.