CHAMPION PRESTIGE IS A BLACK BOX OPERATION

What determines the prestige of each champion? Nobody knows except Kabam

The best example is Juggernaut, lowest prestige among 7* champions but deals one of the most awesome damage in the game

Difficulty adapts to our prestige but prestige sometimes has nothing to do with how awesome the champion is in clearing content

Kabam is building the foundation of the game on prestige but what is prestige based on? Thin air and black magic

Comments

JESUSCHRIST

Stark Spidey is also at the bottom of prestige ranking

Coolbum67

i agree, this is a bad path.

MysticSpectrumXZ

Yes you have a good opinion about prestige. I’m thinking about this and trying to understand why a champion like Idoom who doesn’t have a great utility and power is on the top of prestige. I want to rank up champions with great damage or defense but have low prestige like you mentioned. Also it’s difficult to duplicate the champions that are powerful and have a good prestige like Photon or Bullseye.

L79G

I completely agree that keeping prestige such a central stat but at the same time treating it like a “black box” only creates frustration and confusion. Transparency should be the minimum standard, if players are meant to chase prestige, then at least show us exactly how it’s calculated, what values each champ brings, and how it impacts progression. Right now, it feels less like strategy and more like gambling.

I also would like to suggest to replace prestige with a skill-based progression path. A scalable challenge where players push as far as they can, and their maximum EQ level is based on that performance, would reward actual gameplay and not just wallets. Being able to step back and experiment would also encourage to play more instead of forcing people into a single meta.

Even if it’s not simple to implement, this kind of adaptive system would feel fairer and more rewarding. At the end of the day, players want to feel that their effort, knowledge, and skill matter as much as, if not more than, their credit card.

bexdawg12

prestige has always been a BS stat. The purpose of prestige is to get players to acquire and/or rankup champs you may not want to play. Prestige adds zero to the playing experience and that is what Kabam doesn't understand.

Kabam highlights that the difference between champions prestige is way smaller than the difference between R1 20 sig champ and R3 200 Sig champ. However, the problems still arises are…

1/quests themselves are designed for players with large and diverse rosters. Players are already motivated to rankup champs to make the competition of content quicker and easier.

2/when do newer players prestige catchup to top prestige players, since top prestige players get more rewards?

3/what is the exact formula that determines prestige? Should I rankup, awaken, or put sig stones into certain players to maximize my prestige?

MoeyTehr

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2872743#Comment_2872743

Plus Hyperion, Venom, Hulkbuster, Wolverine, Magik, Domino, etc. Two of whom are so good, Kabam refuses to give us the 7* or even 6* (in the case of Magik) versions of.

Furrymoosen

Prestige is a selling point and little more. If you notice, a lot of the low prestige champs being names here are also some of the oldest champs in the game. Over the last few years, the majority of champs that Kabam releases are higher prestige so the whales have incentive to buy them to get ahead. Prestige has far less to do with a champions value to the roster and far more to do with Kabam's desire to sell the champ, their intro bundles, and their crystals.

JozielPN

Exactly! I wish Kabam would put more effort in balancing prestige overall. For now it seems they just don't care, and focus only in not releasing a broken champion.

They've said before that their formula for calculating prestige is absurdly complex and that is one of the reasons they would not share.

But I think they could try adding things to champions of lower prestige until their prestige gets increased and more balanced compared to those high PI champs. These things could be abilities with very low impact on game metas, but it would still increase the champion's prestige because of their complex formula.

For example, Wolverine has one of the lowest prestige in game, yet there are worse champions, maybe give him 10% fury buff for 5 seconds when a regen expires, or give him 20% bleed resistance, or a small and non stacking armor break on specials… These small things would probably not break the game and would very likely increase his prestige.

Look at Rhino for example, after his buff, he still at the bottom of the science class, but his prestige is now much more balanced. Even that useless intimidate debuff they added to his special 3, probably increased his prestige.

YodaKaj

Ploy to boost unpopular champs...maybe

JAsummonar

Did you check Rhino's prestige?? May be Kabam wants us to rank Rhinos lol

bexdawg12

Kabam needs to provide a tool like this or throw some money Khonshu's Ankh way to keep on top of this.

I am not sure this tool is right, but this tool is telling me there is no way I should take Juggs to R4 because it would take down my prestige. He is one of my favorite champs to play.

Prestige Tool

SirGamesBond

Bones is 150 ranks below HighEvo.

Underatand that, You don't have to rank top prestige champs.

They are selling sigs. That's what matter more than top 30 prestige king champs.

No wonder we didn't even see 20 sigs in WoF.

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Let top 90 AQ (270 players only) cry about prestige issue, because they are the ones who have to acrually rank up the prestige top dogs.

It doesnt matter for rest of us. Rankup whatever you want. (But yeah, they do need sigs though)

PT_99

Prestige gets randomly decided by blindfoldedy monthly "funday" darts game at Kabam HQ,

Usagicassidy

Cries in my R3 Sig 160 Venom with a 6* Venom relic

BigBlueOx

I just call it the preciousness scale.

GroundedWisdom

I don't want the OP Champs to have the highest Prestige.

It's always been a bit of a mystery, but the bottom line is Kabam chooses which Champs to have higher Prestige.

ccrider474

While i get what you are saying with only a 44 difference between bones and high evo. For laziness lets say all 30 you want have the same difference. 44 times 30 is 1320 difference. That adds up.

I'll still just rank whatever floats my boat but it annoys the **** out of me that it enters my mind to r3 my gambit or spot who I don't use for content but they are natural 180 sig over someone who is 20 sig.

That is the real comparison for this. Is is better to r4 a 200 sig say gorr or a 20 sig serpent. For content completion and bg deck your taking serpent all day for prestige gain now for those rewards tiers increases gorr has to be in your though process.

You can say you will drop all your sig stones on serpent to get that prestige up but you need to have that thought for all 30 rank ups and you can't drop sig stones on them all. Over time you could but at what reward cost now.

This whole prestige for content is a terrible add to the game.

SirGamesBond

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2873926#Comment_2873926

While xbones is just an example, please remember he is at 150th position. Not all your rankups will land around there. I'm sure you have plenty of sig 200 rankups from top 50.

I'm not supporting top 30 prestige. But I'm implying that it's not the end of the day. We are now in a position to upgrade whoever we want and invest sigs into the champs we want. In case of xbones vs highevo, the result is not much of prestige dip.

I still have r4 sig 20 shathra... she is top 10. But I'm not investing sigs into her, cuz she doesn't need it. I'm saving my mystic sigs for tigra (BigCopium), I have 80 on hand atm. She is like top 60 in prestige.

I personally gave 100 sigs to bones, over bullseye and yelena. Cuz he needs them more. And that 40 prestige ain't gonna hurt me on one rankup.

-They are trying to sell sigs to 99.99% of the community. Yes thats the new sales tactic.

-They are selling Top prestige champs to top 30/45 AQ players.

SirGamesBond

If you look closely to Reward tiers and its structure... The majority of the community lands on 25-28k (29k is kinda a stretch).

With how linear the reward gain is in EQ:

-People below it will have somthing to work towards, by upgradin more r4s, they don't need top prestige champs at sig 200. They just need more rankups.

People above it..... well, they arnt getting much for the cash investment by reaching high, and that is perfectly okay for the rest of us.

The majority of the rewards difference lies in classic difficulty. Its harder to hit high prestige thresholds for classic tbf.

Elder difficulty reward change per tier is pretty small. Just good to have.

ccrider474

Unfortunately, No i do not have heaps of 200 sig champs in fact I have 1 as I stop at 180 sig so if I dupe them again.

6 r4 at 180 and 1 at 200. All of my r3 are low sigs. Some So low in fact that with whatever change has occurred that put ascension in to the prestige race that some r5 6 are in my prestige with some r3 left out.

My natural 180 and 160 champs are people like spot, red goblin and other weirdos i don't use.

It would benefit me a ton to rank up my 180 sig gambit in the prestige game over my let's say unawakened spiderwoman even though I know who I'll use more.

I am as close to ftp as you can get so high sig is hard work but I got my original prestige high with a couple smart ranks and sig stone use. To hard to do that with 30 and I really need to consider prestige ranking to max eq rewards to effort and that is a gut punch tbh.

SirGamesBond

Well, I'm with you on that one. I have two sig 200 r4s: One being dhanos. All free sigs. Second Onslought, I duped him two weeks ago, I left him at 180 too. 2 r4s are 180 serpent and photon, she was my first r4 unduped. Shathra is sig 20. 2 are unduped, Spider woman and Jean.

Yeah, and I dont want to make you upgrade sig 18p spot(I would though) cuz that's your decision. Not here to talk sig 160 spidermans and rockets and roblins... same here a lotta randos at high sigs, not upgrading them.

I have to ask. Are you playing in top 90 AQ? Because it looks like you are worried about it. I know as I have been in those shoes once.

Im 100% f2p, and I have played top 30 AQ for a year, around 2021-22. But I left that chase behind. Just hated myself for upgrading midDoom for presrige and putting in 200 sigs. Still hurts thinking about it.

They have changed the prestige game with top 30. One thing is clear that they are not going back to top 5. So complaining about it won't help much. You are one of the long time players, you know it's true. It's not in our control.

But there are things in our control which I mentioned in last 2 comments. I.e. we actually don't need top prestige champs.

If you are still after top AQ, then I don't have anything against your complaints. I know this change is much worse for AQ chasers.

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I'm at 26k tier atm. It's my alt account which I play as only focus. I have been behind for a while, as I dont play arenas and dont buy unit deals. I'm waiting for 9.3 and today's titans. I'm close to 27k so I'll be doing EQ after hitting 27k.

And I genuinely believe 27k tier is the sweetest spot for rewads in EQ. F2p or otherwise.

ccrider474

Used to be that in aq but I hated the rat race and stepped down to top 300.

I had to explore eq and all those rewards plus bg and maybe with another rank 3 or 2 but higher sig ones. I'll be in the 27k.

I'm worried not because of aq change, I'm worried because of EQ change and now that slide rewards are a thing based on prestige only a matter of time before it branches out and now with that thought it completely shifts my rank up focus.