Ending the Rebalance Program

I believe that ending the rebalance program is a mistake. The issue is not the program, it is how it is implemented. For example, all of the current unavoidable damage in the game where you have to have one of the few counters. Years ago, one of the rebalance programs was to make it so that people did not feel champs were useless.

The current trend is making older champs useless unless they are specifically buffed to contain abilities like Onslaughts Neuro's. These abilities do not equal skill. It only rewards having a particular counter on many nodes.

Then we get to Enchantress. The worst idea ever. Put her defensive abilities on her offensively....see what happens to the game. If an ability is that broken for it to be on offense, then don't put it on a defender. The rng with Enchantress is 100x worse than Spiderwoman.

Then people also discuss The Serpent. A champ where with a tiny lag, his reach is across the screen. And even if you play flawless for 60 seconds...the power gain sp3 without a herc solution. At this point, he should only be allowed to throw a blockable version of sp1 and sp2's. Not sp3's.

Ok, all this seems off-topic without even getting into the cheesey AI turtling and not allowing intercepts, but Kabam is not listening to surveys and feedback. You say you are listening, but really you are hearing...and saying no. We know better than our players. I actually will disagree with many on here and say...no, no you don't.

I honestly would not care if the changes made to a champ offensively were made for 1 minute, IF I felt they had listened to people about defensive cheese. There lies the true issue. It isn't said here, but I see this as...if you all complain about offensive nerfs, then you don't get defensive either in the future....well, that is just childish. If you actually listened in the first place...but it is their game, so it gives a diety complex of they know what is best. They have the data, they have the....they actually have nothing when it comes to the average individuals perceptions. Well they have it, but it is ignored.

Rebalancing is needed, but the rebalancing program was not being both directions.

Ok, wall of...I'm not reading this but had to spit it out.

*Side note: 10 bg wins by a certain character was horrible, even in friendlies. Plz never do this again...plz listen on this.)

Comments

GilbertoJunior

all of that and we don't even mention the ridiculous time they required just to say a champion wouldn't be changed, and when we would get changes took even more time for sometimes bare minimum changes that changes almost nothing in the character place in the game

Now we have no idea how it's gonna go because they din't had a spine to suport themselfs for ther horrible choice of creating Dark Phoenix

"but Kabam is not listening to surveys and feedback. You say you are listening, but really you are hearing...and saying no. We know better than our players"

they are listening,but doesn't mean they are taking serious or taking notes

Aleor

Imo the best solution is when they rebalance champs as they want but also give players RDTs so you can change your rank up decision if the champ is ruined for you

ahmynuts

The rebalance program was objectively worse than the system we have transitioned to right now before they find a new system

Furrymoosen

The mistake was beginning the rebalance program.

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901624#Comment_2901624

it objectively had way more positives than

GroundedWisdom

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901663#Comment_2901663

On paper, but there were more side effects it created.

To the OP's point, the goal is never to neuter the strong Champs and boost the lower ones so that they're all the same. While that might seem like a level skill environment, that undermines skill development and defeats the purpose of having a meta with varying Champs. Why chase after them if they're all the same strength with shuffled abilities?

The game will always have some Champs that are stronger than others at some things. Some will be strong in many areas. They won't be on top forever. Things inevitably shift as new counters are added, and new "God Tier" Champs are released. That's how the game has been all

GroundedWisdom

*along.

(This new forum however.... 😆)

Furrymoosen

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901663#Comment_2901663

It definitely had some positives, but it only came into existence because they were afraid of themselves. They wanted an easy out in case they made another Hercules or Magneto buff. The real good that came out of it is they ultimately got better at making balanced champions (for the most part), which could've happened without the program.

danielmath

Having a REAL rebalancing program would be amazing for the game. Unfortunately, because champ acquisition cost is so high they can’t actually do it.

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901665#Comment_2901665

I agree that it did inadvertently result in hesitance to rank up certain characters but beyond that it was a net positive.

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901676#Comment_2901676

I mean sure if you also ignore the many buffs it gave us that resulted in a lot of meta or borderline meta characters

Goodlordbird

The "upside" of rebalance program was it kinda guaranteed buffs of recently released "meh" champions.

Now those champs will just exist…with no idea if/when Kabam decides to buff them or not

GroundedWisdom

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901700#Comment_2901700

Well, yes and no. I think the program did what it set out to do, which was tilt the scale more towards their goals. I think there were some memorable changes, and they were quite quantifiable. Not many overall. I think the majority of changes were so small that they simply served to tweak Champs. That was a fundamental argument I had with people, pointing out that they weren't intended to make them all the "best" choice over other options, just closer to Kabam's vision.

CheeseMaster482

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901741#Comment_2901741

The trash new champs can wait, the humble F2P needs to wait until they are in the Titan anyway

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901745#Comment_2901745

At worst the champions that got changed became better at doing what they were supposed to do, at best they became meta defining champions. I don't see how you can act like this is somehow not objective

altavista

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901676#Comment_2901676

A ton of champions would have been forgotten without the Rebalance program (eg. Shuri is my favorite champion, Attuma became interesting on offense). The majority of the rebalanced champions (Silver Sable, Spider-Punk, Northstar, etc.) are unequivocably improved and memorable.

I know people like to focus on champions that didn't get nerfed (Serpent, Enchantress), champions that got tweaked with middling results (eg. Patriot), but those are the minority. Additionally, there is a lot of bias on rating rebalances based on how they perform in BGs.

Champion development might be more balanced, but also more forgettable (High Evolutionary had so much hype, and yet now he is going to be forgotten even though he only needs minor tweaks to have staying power). I don't see the point of "disposable" champions as that wastes the time they spent even developing the champion.

WednesdayLength

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901797#Comment_2901797

I dont think calling patriot a middling buff is even that accurate. He absolutely rips now, not the top skill in the game but with aggressive play he does a hell of a lot of damage

ahmynuts

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901803#Comment_2901803

Rips ass maybe. Horrible buff for a mid champ that we needed to wait A YEAR for.

ahmynuts

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901797#Comment_2901797

Maybe kabam should have had some balls and nerfed the miniboss defenders then. But they didnt and here we are. Good riddance to the program honestly. Id trade all those buffs for nerfs on the defenders any day

altavista

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901805#Comment_2901805

How does this make sense? The Realance Program didn't nerf any minibosses (aside from a Bullseye tweak), but did buff a ton of champions.

If the Rebalance Program didn't exist, those non-existent nerfs still wouldn't happen, but we also wouldn't have gotten any number of those buffed champions.

Dark Phoenix is proof of what happens without a Rebalance Program - a miniboss defender with no official guarantee of a nerf (with the Rebalance Program, there was at least the miniscule hope that she would have been nerfed)

altavista

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901803#Comment_2901803

I agree middling is harsh, but its more about the "forgettable" side of things as he doesn't do anything to stand out from the Skill class, and the upcoming Kingpin release is already stealing his "stack debuff on self" shtick.

ahmynuts

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2901817#Comment_2901817

With the rebalance program Dark Phoenix literally ended the program because they didn't have the balls to nerf her what are you talking about bro. There wasn't a universe where she had the potential to get nerfed with the rebalance program because we literally live in the timeline where she was a part of the program and they ended it instead of making a decision