My overall complaint about Battlegrounds

I really did everything I could to not have to post this, but...

So anyway, I've done BGs for a while now, since this is the closest thing to actually doing PvP in game. And even though I stink at this (can never get higher than Uru I), The strategy involved is what I appreciate about this.

This being said... I never really liked the shuffle part of this game. It didn't give you the ability to get the champ that you really want. But because I've drafted before in CCGs, I understand what making hard choices means. I was okay with only having 13 shuffle signets and only being able to buy 5 a day. It made the game a little more strategic. Making your choices even more important. And I was cool with it.

BUT THEN!! You just HAD to expand the roster from 30 to 40!! I get the fact that you want people to make sure that they get more of their champs into the game (I thought that this format was all about making the hard choices, but whatever...). But this?? This right here?? This lowers the probability of seeing the champ that you want especially at the time you need it. I think that you saw this possibility and tried to work around it by adding more shuffle signets from 1 to 3 (one per each draft pull).

BUT YOU DIDN'T FIX THE ECONOMY FOR SHUFFLE SIGNETS!! If you change the number of shuffles per match from 1 to 3, but the max holding is still 13, and the amount of signet purchases is still 5 a day, you were going to run out very quickly!! Especially now that you increased the deck from 30 to 40 and have decreased optimum probability and increased the need for shuffle signets.

And just when I thought it couldn't get worse? I was figuring out how I was going to make 5 shuffle signets a day work, and you change the purchase to essentia and allow for 35 a week (which technically is 5 a day, but because you still can only hold 13 in inventory, you cause a stash issue...), but you compound on that by changing this in the middle of the week and me with not being able to buy any signets!! I went from buying 5 signets on Monday to it going to 0/35 signets the next day and having to wait for next Monday to buy anymore!! I've been doing BGs for this week on no signets left and taking whatever the game gives me!! It hurts especially when it looks like the game gives my opponent everything he needs, and me the wrong champ at the wrong time.

I'm not going to sit here typing about the essentia economy. I think everyone here is already complaining about that. I think that you guys need to have a serious look at shuffle signets, and the need to limit them. I don't think that you should have a limit, and DEFINITELY NOT THIRTEEN!! Because the change in the system has changed the supply/demand system, you absolutely have to increase the supply to satisfy the increased demand.

You could say that I'm silly, but the fact that you have actually seen this and tried to address it (however horrible that you tried) lets me know that I'm not that far off-base.

Please help this matter Kabam...

Comments

KrazyKilroy

Man….

I feel like a I'm eating Ramen noodles until the first of the month. Totally out of Shuffle signets and have to wait 5 days for the next 'supply run'

Jerichoharris

I don’t know what’s happening with battlegrounds this month but it’s been a nightmare trying to get into GC. I’m not suggesting it’s anything other than a skill issue because that’s exactly what it is, but whether it’s farming or what I don’t know. In the past it’s been relatively ok. Not this month.

MrSakuragi

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2937487#Comment_2937487

People playing that usually don’t or had given up on the mode, due to objectives for goblin crystal shards

KrazyKilroy

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2937487#Comment_2937487

While I don't deny the skill issue has effects on this, changing probabilities only exacerbated this. I'm still drafting 1 or 2 champs from a selection of 3 or 5 respectively. The Probability of getting a preferred champ is better with a smaller deck. Which would you think is easier: getting the champ you want/need when drawing 3 out of 30 or 3 out of 40? 5 out of 30 or 5 out of 40? And without the ability to shuffle? that probability goes down the toilet.

And let's think about the need for shuffle signet economy change: Opponent Draws Nico. Now I need to get a poison immune champ in my mind to deal with this. I think I may have 3 poison immunes in the deck. I get one in the 3rd draw after shuffling twice. Next game ends up making me shuffle 3 times. In two matches, I've already used up my signets. Previously this would have taken 5 matches.

this is the issue that I'm looking at Mathematically. Do we know if someone at Kabam is looking at this? @KabamPinwheel maybe?

HuskerCool

Isn’t the 40 deck an ‘experiment’ for this season?

KrazyKilroy

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2937623#Comment_2937623

Allegedly.

And if no one gives an opinion, they will probably stick with it. I'm here to say that I don't like it.

Herbal_Taxman

There are two things that have made BGs more enjoyable for me this month. Granted, I’m running over 30 r4s, so roster strength makes this easier to manage.

First, just ignore the ban process. I either let the timer expire or just ban the first five champs in their deck.

Second, pretend shuffles don’t exist.

Both strategies mean leaning into the RNG aspect of the mode, but I have found it entertaining. I’m not really ambitious about GC. Some seasons I’m arcane, some seasons gamma. I just play until I get bored. But I’ve found taking my hands off the wheel for bans and forgetting signets has been better. You wind up testing some weird matchups you wouldn’t try otherwise.

Patman24

I know how you feel. Honestly for me I think its just wayyyy too sweaty nowadays. It doesn't feel fun and I hate that every match now (even in the VICTORY TRACK) is just a game of rock paper scissors of who can draft the best counters.

It's so annoying. I don't want to hop on to a match in the victory track and have to sweat like I am playing in upper Gladiator's Circuit.

I realize that people on the forum might just say "git gud" but the thing they don't realize is that competitive gamemodes need casual audiences to be viable. Otherwise you get current BGS where you need a full r4 roster of competitive meta champs just to compete in VT.

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HuskerCool

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2937915#Comment_2937915

I don’t like it either

peixemacaco

What?

Battlegrounds is the best mode on Mcoc right now.

We can ban 5 from Rival and we have 40 champions on deck.

What do you want more?

And soon pause button will be removed.

If you try to pause now, appears 88:88 ,so the pause abusers cant see the real time left anymore.

Thanks Kabam 🥳

Ab_Samad

I think the bad part is people with big rosters don't want to move to GC. I don't blame them this mode shucks.

And with big roster I mean really really big. Just fought against someone in vibranium with 3 r5, 3 ascended and every paywalled champ.

AlmightyGodButcher

I think the worst part of all of it, everything worth anything cost radiance and the only way to get it and lots of it, is BG’s. BG’s is not enjoyable anymore for me and I have a 36k account. Watching someone get every counter for every champ I pull for the last 5 fights in a row is a huge turn off. And until Kabam shows me the other fight I will always think something shady is going on.

Adback40

I absolutely hated the 40 champion deck experiment and I did not like having to use shuffle signets more often due to RNG not giving me a good pool of champs to pick from when my opponent was getting way better champs to pull from. Example - I'm hoping to pull Jean Grey or Sinister or any of 5 or 6 viable yelena counter that was pulled first round of drafting. I then use a shuffle and get champs that I didn't want and then they pulled 2 more champs and I am still trying to find counters and defenders and then pulling the same champs from the round before that I shuffled out of. It was incredibly frustrating.

Don't even get me started on all the cheaters that still somehow are able to still have accounts and still plague BG.

I also think that the statistics of engagement in this season will be inflated due to the goblin limbo event/objectives, so I hope that the inflated participation does not give a sense to Kabam that this experiment was a success. This was the most frustrating season that I've been apart of and I feel like I've said this for the last 3-4 seasons in a row. It's just been less and less enjoyable as a mode, but its one of the best ways to get radiance without sacrificing my sanity and joining a top tier alliance that I don't want to commit to nor basically say that I am available on command/demand.

krystolix

It takes way to much time. I wish it was only one fight. Like build your deck. Get to ban the five champs, and after that you get one random champ each. That's it. In one minute you're either moving up in the ranks, or moving down. Easy and simple.

KrazyKilroy

So it seems like the ones that seem to like the 40 deck roster and worsening shuffle economy are the guys that have 30 or more rank 4 champs and always find themselves in anything higher than Uru. The shuffle process isn't a factor to them because they 'got gud' against any defender with any champ.

I can't knock these guys for being good with it.

However, banning 5 champs instead of 3 is nice until you realize that probability of seeing your desired champ is smaller with the larger deck. from watching higher-level guys on twitch, I see that banning guys is more like banning something more annoying as opposed to strategically banning champs that could mean the round and/or eventually the match. These guys don't NEED shuffle signets. These guys don't NEED a Larger deck. This thread isn't meant for them. So what really is the question becomes: who does this tailor to more? Smaller-level competitors who like to try their skills? Or higher-level guys who really don't care either way how the format is structured??

I would still like more feedback.

Mint9aer0

Yep the 40 deck size needs to be binned off. Keep the 5 bans. Having more bans is actually more strategic and makes it better. The whole point is to pick the best champions u have available for the meta in your deck. Higher decks size doesn't help anyone big roster or small it just decreases chances of getting champs u need in the drafting

phillgreen

I banned the same 5 champs almost all season. Wasn't a fan of the 40 deck.

I made gc today, played my one match and I'm out. Funny though to land in uru2 with zero points this late in the season.