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I'm Enjoying the BGs Meta

BattleWarriar

I know there has been a lot of backlash and I do understand why people weren't the biggest fans initially. I myself was not the biggest fan when I first started messing around with this new scoring system. But now that I switched my suicide masteries back on I am loving this meta. Plus with health not mattering I can play way riskier. It's just a fun change from the normal BGs strategy. My favorite champ to play has been omega red, obviously he's great with suicides and I can just bait heavies the whole time and not worry about my missing health. I love omega red for questing so it's fun to use him in a BGs meta where he can shine more.

Again I get why so many people are hating, it's definitely not a meta for everyone. But I wanted to share a positive experience as well. I wouldn't want them to keep this scoring system long term, but I do think it'd be fun to bring back every once in a while; maybe annually

Comments

ahmynuts

"If i just ignore the purpose of the mode it's great!"

BattleWarriar

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2952226#Comment_2952226

I don’t think I get your point, how am I ignoring the purpose of the mode?

SirGamesBond

The purpose of the mode is to get more points than your opponent.

You are doing exactly that. W

Average_Desi

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2952226#Comment_2952226

BGs does not have any hidden purpose. The only purpose is to get more points than the opponent

Anotherconcernplayer

Yep and in this meta, the way to get more point the your opponents are to:-

Remove skills or game knowledge
Have bigger, higher ranked and ascended champs, and more exclusive toxic Defenders than your opponent. And with the next update with Colletctive, have a bigger account size too. So spend more
Changing Masteries - So spend units
Then just run in head first, get hits and spam SPs.

Nothing wrong for players with enjoy a meta, especially meta provided those players with extra benefit and compensate for area they are weak at.

But that doesn't take away that this is a moronic designed BG meta, idiotic QA and management level to approved it through and incompetent implementation (it was meant to be for off season only), and arrogant not to listen to feedback from CCP long before it was launched.

The way Mike brushed it off within 10 seconds of the stream, yeah it suck, yeah we put a chase item into, yeah we not going to change it, so FU. It show that Kabam is at a lost with BG.

BattleWarriar

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2952239#Comment_2952239

2 and 3 are kinda contradictory. If you run suicides you automatically have less tanky defenders because they’re hurting themselves throughout the fight. I keep hearing that this meta is removing skill but I don’t really understand that, you still have to win the fight and be as fast as possible. That takes some level of skill+strategy, especially if your opponent is actually good at the game.
I’m not saying you have to enjoy the meta, but I feel like it’s equally weighted towards whale accounts as it usually is.
Also for context I wouldn’t consider myself a whale. I buy the platinum passes and I get maybe $100 in Christmas money that I spend on banquet

Average_Desi

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2952239#Comment_2952239

You're gonna have a really hard time winning if you don't have skill and game kmowledge about how defenders and attacker's loops work to maximise dps.

peixemacaco

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2952239#Comment_2952239

One thing you said right

Kabam wont change BG as its awesome now

Deal with it till the end

Thanks Kabam 🥳

willrun4adonut

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2952239#Comment_2952239

Completely false. Currently in GC, and many opponents I faced had Vib two had many r3 champs. In fact, the person that I defeated to get to GC even had two r2 champs. And none of them were modding either. So the larger roster obviously wasn't helping them, and they had more game knowledge than the ones with a larger roster.

Early on in the season, I asked friended someone who had beaten me who had a much smaller roster, and they told me that they just get punched in the face a lot to get to another special because it was faster than you hitting them. Another person I lost to told that had a weaker roster told me to use Torch against captain Britain. And they have come up with many more interactions that I wouldn't have thought

Anotherconcernplayer

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2952240#Comment_2952240

Hi @BattleWarriar ,

Firstly I would like to make it clear, my previous and this response are not in anyway attacking yourself as an individual, I don't know you, don't your accounts size, your ingame knowledge or skill (and even if I do it is no excuse to insult anyone). I also don't see any problem withpeople spending money on what they want.

What I say it just an overall generalisation regarding the meta and how Kabam as a company been conducting themselves.

With that out of the way on to your first points.

Bigger (higher and/or ascended) Champion and Masteries:-

So I don't see it as a contradiction, it actually reinforced it.

Let use some general numbers (I also assumed Masteries increase/decrease are not compounded, as it would be even more beneficial)

Player 1 (Bigger Champions) vs Player 2 (Smaller Champions).

If both are using masteries then the benefits to Player 1 is easy to see.

Now Player 1 use suicide masteries (SM) and Player 2 does not, then here would be roughly the different (please do correct me if I get this wrong, it only meant to be rough to give the overall idea)

Player 1 Champions (both on Att & Def)

Base Stats - Attack Value - 100, HP 100

With SM it become - Attack Value - 220, HP (after losing throughout a 20s fight) - 65

Player 2 Champions (lower ranking)

Base Stats - Attack Value - 80, HP 80

Using this very basic comparison, Players 1 have "almost" 3 time the attack value while only lose about 17% of HP.

So while the masteries does make your own champions "less" tanky, it is still not by much compared to the gain you get.

As for Skill & Knowledge

While some knowledge and skill is required, the point systems does make it significantly less important, as we have seen on the forum so many screenshoot of matches that shouldn't have been won/lost, if that isn't a clearly proof that these factors matter a lot less then, I'm not sure what would be.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a very mid (most likely low mid) skill player and I'm actually progressing through this season faster than last season.

But honestly I'm sure we can agreed that a winning fight should look like these

And definitely not like these

I actually feel the annoyance on behalf of my opponents, I have no business of winning those fights.

Again everything I said does take your enjoyment of the meta, more power to you.

But it is hard to deny that this is a really poorly designed point system. This even confirmed by Kabam back when they actually reduced points from Time, giving more weight to HP.

Anotherconcernplayer

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2952245#Comment_2952245

But @willrun4adonut ,

Is that not exact my points.

Remove skills and Spam SP.

The only thing you doing wrong is actually trying to play BG like it should be play.

With your bigger roster (i.e higher champs), you should do the same as your friend, stop trying to utilise your amazing skills, just get hit in the face and Spam SP, with the higher ranked champs, you will hit harder, the opponent health is small and you will finish fight faster 🤣 than your opponents

BattleWarriar

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2952247#Comment_2952247

I see what you're saying, but again I don't feel like this is a particularly unique advantage to this season. Roster disparity between whales and non-whales has always been a point of contention in BGs, I don't see that being much different this season specifically.

I understand that the points system can be frustrating, and if it seemed like this change was going to carry over into other seasons I would also be against that. I've also lost matches this season that I would have won in other seasons, some of those losses have kept me from moving up the ladder. But even then, I like mixing it up every once in a while and letting us try different playstyles just for a season. Personally I think it's fun and makes things more interesting.

I'm sorry you're not having as good of a time, and your reasons for that definitely make sense. I do think this is a more subjective meta. You're a good example of someone who understands what this meta is asking and even though you can win, it's just not as fun. I'm someone who understands what the meta is asking and I also enjoy the fresh change in strategy. I think it just depends on the player.

Anotherconcernplayer

Hi @BattleWarriar ,

Always nice to have sensible and logical discussion with someone, don't have to agreed but we can understand each other point of views.

The funny thing, what I said is completely what I believe and it doesn't mean I actually having a bad time this BG season.

Like I said I actually doing surprisingly well compared to previous season (that is just me comparing to me). To be honest, I find it is absolutely hilarious to see I'm getting punch in the face and still win, but that is because I'm not taking the game seriously either, if I win I win, if I lose I lose, no biggie.

Anyway glad you enjoying it, and I definitely agreed with you on not wanting this as a permanent thing 😊

BattleWarriar

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2952282#Comment_2952282

Yeah likewise! I appreciate you sharing your perspective