Hawkeye silent nerf? [Under Investigation]

GreatScott

Anyone else notice the bleed damage on sp1 has decreased? My 5* r4 went from around 600-725 damage per second to 450.

Spidey

Yes, I mine is now at 447. Used to be around 700.

QuantumBob

Did you have Deep Wounds but recently removed it? I have 4/55 5 star HE and the bleed is still the same 4282.2 bleed over 5 seconds on his L1

GreatScott

QuantumBob wrote: »

Did you have Deep Wounds but recently removed it? I have 4/55 5 star HE and the bleed is still the same 4282.2 bleed over 5 seconds on his L1

no I still have deep wounds maxed.

Affliction

Same. Haweyes sp1 on my five* has lowered significantly.

420sam

Let's cue the moderator and administrator prompts:

Can you please provide proof? And what device are you playing on?

That should at least get an under investigation. Right @Kabam Vydious?

Kabam Vydious

Hey y'all -

We'll get this looked into, but I'll need more information as @420sam mentioned. Any videos of the change and device information will be super helpful.

Boboman

420sam wrote: »

Let's cue the moderator and administrator prompts:

Can you please provide proof? And what device are you playing on?

That should at least get an under investigation. Right @Kabam Vydious?

Are you a Kabam secret agent hmmmm?

Lunchbox45

I agree, its really dropped. Mine too is rank 4/55

GreatScott

That's what it is now. I don't have any prior video or pictures of when it was at 700 bleed for sp1. My device is Samsung Galaxy S7. Model number SM-G930P.

420sam

Boboman wrote: »

420sam wrote: »

Let's cue the moderator and administrator prompts:

Can you please provide proof? And what device are you playing on?

That should at least get an under investigation. Right @Kabam Vydious?

Are you a Kabam secret agent hmmmm?

I wish...I would totally be gifting myself every God Tier champion!

Kabam Vydious

Can y'all also provide Sig Levels of your Hawkeyes as well as what their Ranks are?

Thanks in advance!

And thank you, @GreatScott for the photo and phone information!

Spidey

R4 5*, signature 81. 447 bleed.

QuantumBob

I take it back. The description is unchanged but the damage appears to be different.
My understanding is that direct damage means just that i.e. not affected by armour and resistances and should therefore be the same regardless of fight. It looks like he used to inflict 608 bleed per tick but now it's only 437. Sig 40 and playing on a Samsung note 4.

GreatScott

5* r4 sig 36

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Jac094

QuantumBob wrote: »

I take it back. The description is unchanged but the damage appears to be different.
My understanding is that direct damage means just that i.e. not affected by armour and resistances and should therefore be the same regardless of fight. It looks like he used to inflict 608 bleed per tick but now it's only 437. Sig 40 and playing on a Samsung note 4.

608 instead of 437 is due to the class advantage, man..

Thatweirdguy

Man I hate these silent nerfs. Wonder when Blade gets his.

mfleury

Jac094 wrote: »

QuantumBob wrote: »

I take it back. The description is unchanged but the damage appears to be different.
My understanding is that direct damage means just that i.e. not affected by armour and resistances and should therefore be the same regardless of fight. It looks like he used to inflict 608 bleed per tick but now it's only 437. Sig 40 and playing on a Samsung note 4.

608 instead of 437 is due to the class advantage, man..

Well, it was a 40% so only class advantage doesn't explain that. Maybe some boosts as well or maybe he's really bugged.

Anonymous2354

The bleed damage according to the description is correct. 5 seconds of bleed 10 is tics. 4282.2 over 5 seconds is 428.22 per tic. 437 is what it is boosted by masteries eg. Glass cannon. I personally agree it did used to be more however, the damage it's providing now according to the description is correct. @GreatScott @Spidey .

GreatScott

Anonymous2354 wrote: »

The bleed damage according to the description is correct. 5 seconds of bleed 10 is tics. 4282.2 over 5 seconds is 428.22 per tic. 437 is what it is boosted by masteries eg. Glass cannon. I personally agree it did used to be more however, the damage it's providing now according to the description is correct. @GreatScott @Spidey .

That's a good observation. I never really paid attention to the descriptions. I just remember the damage i used to do. it was always over 600 at a minimum.

Lovingkid

Hawkeye is such a simple guy not like those GR hype., Etc etc and he still gets a nerf, so crappy of kabam.

QuantumBob

As mfleury pointed out, 437 to 608 is a 40% increase. I do not have glass cannon and I didn't run boosts in either video. However, I can confirm that I still deal 608 against science class champions now. By entering a fight screen and calculating the percentage increase, it does in fact appear that a class advantage increases attack by 40%. I didn't think that was the figure nor was I aware that class relationships affect direct damage. Therefore all seems in order on my side. Doesn't explain what appears to be happening to everyone else though. Does seem strange that a few people here have noticed a reduction...

Anonymous2354

@GreatScott yeah I don't think it's bugged. They may have simply adjusted the damage to fit with the increased chance to proc bleed and power drain. Less of a chance more damage compared to less damage but a guaranteed chance. As it stands he's still a beast and I don't think needs an adjustment but it's interesting to see you noticing this.

Thebgj01

I noticed this a few a week or 2 ago. I thought I was getting 600+ bleed per tic from my first special. And now it’s 400+. Hes unduped and also a rank 4 5*

iPhone 7+

RawwryD

if they are posting about hawks bleed damage from his sp1 than sig level wouldn’t matter. That only affects his hemmorage bleed. Sometimes I think the people at kabam don’t play this game.

CodeOrange

It is bugged or they threw a nerf. His sp1 is no longer even draining a full bar of power. Kabam please fix this.

uLqui0ra

Not just hawkeye.All bleed champion.."silent nerf"..

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Kabam Vydious

Hey again everyone -

Firstly, wanted to say this isn't a silent nerf and it shouldn't be the first assumption on a topic regarding something like this. We checked into his bleed and it's doing the correct amount of damage. However, that doesn't mean there hasn't been a weird combination of things within the game to change the damage outcome to more than intended. (600)

We're not closing this out, but we haven't been able to see a difference in his damage. If y'all can tell me which fights you've seen these in, like the mission type or arena: that'd be super helpful as well.

Speeds80

Could deep wounds be playing up or some mechanic like that, I haven’t noticed anything myself but I don’t pay enough attention to numbers