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Kabam, what you guys did to Carnage?
He's so weak and have pathetic stats/skills, looks like he was inserted the game in late 2015

He really needs a revampe ASAP.
Can we get any mod response on this? All others Carnage posts, we don't have nothing.
Please, re-working on him.

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Apache

reworking him wont be a priority so you might be waiting awhile

eteodoro7

Yes!!! Fix it!!!

Rafitas

Apache wrote: »

reworking him wont be a priority so you might be waiting awhile

I know man, but Kabam already introduce him poorly, so damn weak stats, sig ability is so weak, i like the animations btw.
Compare with other recently new champs, he is the worst so far

Kabam Miike

Carnage is definitely a Champion players are going to have to get used to. He doesn't play like a majority of Champions and you will have to play differently/with a different strategy. He has the potential to be very effective in longer fights where you are able to choose what Buffs you need to make the most of the fight.

A_Noob_Is1

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Carnage is definitely a Champion players are going to have to get used to. He doesn't play like a majority of Champions and you will have to play differently/with a different strategy. He has the potential to be very effective in longer fights where you are able to choose what Buffs you need to make the most of the fight.

you apparently haven't seen the carnage vs rol winter soldier video

Kronos987654321

How can you guys complain about carnage when ant man and colossus exist

LocoMotives

That video was a 4/40, not exactly the best choice for LOL. But after the minute+ it takes to get the perma buffs (which is well after most fights are done), he was doing solid damage for a 4/40.

He's an ok option for long fights, but no regen limits him in the same scenario. No value in shorter fights.

Edit: ROL, not LOL

Rafitas

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Carnage is definitely a Champion players are going to have to get used to. He doesn't play like a majority of Champions and you will have to play differently/with a different strategy. He has the potential to be very effective in longer fights where you are able to choose what Buffs you need to make the most of the fight.

Ok Miike, here we go

Check this please :

467 hits and Winter Soldier have 1/5 life yet.
You can see too his defense, even with block buff, he got smashed by Winter Soldier with ALOT OF PARRIES and some few block.
Conclusion: His attacks/defense stats and gain from buffs sucks alot.
Check this please:

588 Hits to finish with Winter Soldier? Carnage? Really? This is a joke.
Even Kamala Khan can finish him with less than 390 hits, cause his fury buffs is OK.
So, no, he doesn't even get any good in long fights.
PS: Don't say about masteries in this case, cause the Carnage guy have good one, pretty sure about that.
Please, explain me now Miike, how can i make Carnage good? Revamp him, ur know that.

A_Noob_Is1

Kronos987654321 wrote: »

How can you guys complain about carnage when ant man and colossus exist

ant- man is semi-tanky. and colossus....has nothing going for him so you're partly right. luke cage at least has a ton of physical resist to make him last longer in a fight.

dmadge11

I have a 5/50 carnage and he is BY FAR the absolute worst in the game. I understand his mechanics and his buff system and even with 4 cruelty buffs and 1 precision buff he hits like a 3 star character. His bleed lasts .5 seconds and does 60 damage per tic and will be cancelled out by willpower. This is actually a joke with his base stats and realize people will justify it by saying well you can bump up his stats using his abilities but in reality with 5 additional buffs he isn't even brought up to average tier. He has absolutely nothing going for him and its a total joke what Kabam has done to this character. Its not he should have a change ASAP, he must. Not expecting top tier material but he has ZERO place in this game in his current state. Fix this disaster please!

Kronos987654321

dmadge11 wrote: »

I have a 5/50 carnage and he is BY FAR the absolute worst in the game. I understand his mechanics and his buff system and even with 4 cruelty buffs and 1 precision buff he hits like a 3 star character. His bleed lasts .5 seconds and does 60 damage per tic and will be cancelled out by willpower. This is actually a joke with his base stats and realize people will justify it by saying well you can bump up his stats using his abilities but in reality with 5 additional buffs he isn't even brought up to average tier. He has absolutely nothing going for him and its a total joke what Kabam has done to this character. Its not he should have a change ASAP, he must. Not expecting top tier material but he has ZERO place in this game in his current state. Fix this disaster please!

I'll give you my colossus for him any day.

FPC3

I would LOVE to hear @Kabam Miike respond again to this thread now. Very good info, with screenshots, provided by Rafitas, that Carnage - who in his own Spotlight is described as one of THE MOST REQUESTED champions, is EXTREMELY below par. How does your game team happily introduce one of the most requested characters in the state he's in?

Immortal

588 hits actually isn't the worst. Rogue is in the upper 480ish and King Groot definitely takes more hits than that.

@Kabam Miike My question though, does the 2 * version have shared genetic memory synergy? If so, think I have a good idea on how he should be played.

We still need answers on the stats too. Is there a cap on crit damage rate? Also physical resistance how is this calculated? Thanks in advance.

Immortal

dmadge11 wrote: »

I have a 5/50 carnage and he is BY FAR the absolute worst in the game. I understand his mechanics and his buff system and even with 4 cruelty buffs and 1 precision buff he hits like a 3 star character. His bleed lasts .5 seconds and does 60 damage per tic and will be cancelled out by willpower. This is actually a joke with his base stats and realize people will justify it by saying well you can bump up his stats using his abilities but in reality with 5 additional buffs he isn't even brought up to average tier. He has absolutely nothing going for him and its a total joke what Kabam has done to this character. Its not he should have a change ASAP, he must. Not expecting top tier material but he has ZERO place in this game in his current state. Fix this disaster please!

Despair will cancel out the willpower. His synergy stacks. So just the 3 * & 4 * variation will bump the memory buff to 7. If own the 5* then....8. Question is now about the 2 *.

Bleed may be a means to increasing the power gain rate, rather than depending on it for damage... still testing though..

Drizzits

Immortal wrote: »

dmadge11 wrote: »

I have a 5/50 carnage and he is BY FAR the absolute worst in the game. I understand his mechanics and his buff system and even with 4 cruelty buffs and 1 precision buff he hits like a 3 star character. His bleed lasts .5 seconds and does 60 damage per tic and will be cancelled out by willpower. This is actually a joke with his base stats and realize people will justify it by saying well you can bump up his stats using his abilities but in reality with 5 additional buffs he isn't even brought up to average tier. He has absolutely nothing going for him and its a total joke what Kabam has done to this character. Its not he should have a change ASAP, he must. Not expecting top tier material but he has ZERO place in this game in his current state. Fix this disaster please!

Despair will cancel out the willpower. His synergy stacks. So just the 3 * & 4 * variation will bump the memory buff to 7. If own the 5* then....8. Question is now about the 2 *.

So Carnage. Carnage every where. Lol. Interesting idea. I like it. Except for, you know, using a team full of carnage just to make him semi-usable.

Immortal

there's no other synergy in game that will boost a champ as much as his

RehctansBew

Love how every time there is a terrible champ released that "we" the player base just need to adjust to him. He could be really useful in long fights, by useful Im sure Miike meant by healing opponents with his massive 25 hp a tic bleed. Really makes that 1 point in WP help.

LocoMotives

But I don't know what event a team of Carnage (Carnages? carni?) would be good for. The hp and no regen would still be a limiting factor to completing any content with that team.

Immortal

Mikeself9 wrote: »

But I don't know what event a team of Carnage (Carnages? carni?) would be good for. The hp and no regen would still be a limiting factor to completing any content with that team.

True. His defensive stats are extremely low, and not being able to regen means low survivability...

It's not unusual to build a team around one champ though. Back in the days crit rate team for SW. Falcon synergy to boost BW and SW and Vision. Spider team for crit + attack %. Crit dmg for certain other champs.. etc

That's why I'm curious and confused how physical resist stat works.

My sig 180 rhino can increase his physical resist by up to 1894.... but he is surely squishy as hell.

Carnage physical resist is 1023.... 2 of these will already be higher that rhino.

His BP 1611, Rhino has 2546. Carnage can increase by 1023....

This leads to my question on diminishing returns...how does it affect this champ? All of his stats are affected by DR.........

ARKANG3L_2099

The idea is to drag the fight on. He is a defensive champion.

LocoMotives

He's the perfect example of why so many players opposed Diminishing Returns (DR). There's no way to know what his % will be after each buff because we cannot test the numbers against the system. There's nowhere to input 3000 physical resist and see what % pops out, this goes for his BP and crit buffs as well. The only clear one is fury, but attack level to damage output is not a 1:1 ratio either.

In the old system, he would have been a monster. Potentially maxing his crit rate and block proficiency and then buffing attack or crit damage, could have been great. Now, it means very little and the end result is lackluster.

TKal

ARKANG3L_2099 wrote: »

The idea is to drag the fight on. He is a defensive champion.

No he is not, a defensive champion has defensive abilities and stuff. With the AI playing him, it's a free win

He is a champion

Immortal

Mikeself9 wrote: »

He's the perfect example of why so many players opposed Diminishing Returns (DR). There's no way to know what his % will be after each buff because we cannot test the numbers against the system. There's nowhere to input 3000 physical resist and see what % pops out, this goes for his BP and crit buffs as well. The only clear one is fury, but attack level to damage output is not a 1:1 ratio either.

In the old system, he would have been a monster. Potentially maxing his crit rate and block proficiency and then buffing attack or crit damage, could have been great. Now, it means very little and the end result is lackluster.

Exactly! I tried testing 4-5 stacks of cruelty and something wonky going on with crit damage.

ddatm

Carnage is definitely a Champion players are going to have to get used to --> not our problem, you have to learn how to trigger "massive" bleed damage through heavy attack
He doesn't play like a majority of Champions --> yes, he is a trash and he even can not meet the bar of a mid-tier champion. So what?
He can be useful in longer fights ---> he is a trash in short fights
you are able to choose what Buffs you need to make the most of the fight.-->I don't understand why so many players are so picky, you ONLY have to wait for 80s-90s to get 5 buffs and they allow you to do damage like a Wolverine at the beginning of the fight. What, you said carnage has no healing and you can't wait for such a long time in every fight?
Well, you better practice your fighting skills!
In all, the carnage is good, so good! You only reason why so many people find it **** is that they are bad players who can't accept the new fighting style.

Anonymous Kabam Employee

The_One

Does all this mean his second arena will be really low

DARKLOKI

The_One wrote: »

Does all this mean his second arena will be really low

we dont know , if everyone thinks it will be low then they will think they have a chance so scores will be high

Cuteshelf

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Carnage is definitely a Champion players are going to have to get used to.....

You guys said the same thing about 12.0. Look how that turned out.

He needs a buff plain and simple.

Gargamesh

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Carnage is definitely a Champion players are going to have to get used to. He doesn't play like a majority of Champions and you will have to play differently/with a different strategy. He has the potential to be very effective in longer fights where you are able to choose what Buffs you need to make the most of the fight.

sounds pretty much like how he tried to sell us version 12.0...

Gargamesh

Cuteshelf wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Carnage is definitely a Champion players are going to have to get used to.....

You guys said the same thing about 12.0. Look how that turned out.

He needs a buff plain and simple.

Omg, didn't see that...so it's not just me who thought that ^^

Draco2199

Carnage is way too weak very disappointing