GroundedWisdom wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » I think we're overlooking the fact that aside from a handful of 6*s in-game, we're working with the same Rosters we currently have. There will be a marginal increase in Cutoffs, but I don't see it going to astronomical proportions, especially at first. I'm not sure what you mean by "astronomical" but the cutoffs have to increase for two reasons. First, the 4* featured cutoff is for top 800, not top 150. The top 150 are already, based on the best data we have, scoring between 22 and 25 million minimum now, without much pressure from below. And second, what the top 150 are scoring now isn't their best scoring possible, so there is a lot higher they can go and would almost certainty would go to pursue a 5* champion over a 4* champion. I saw video evidence recently of a player capable of scoring 37 million points in 484 rounds, at a speed of probably over 30 rounds per hour. That's about five hours a day to get 37 million, using refreshes. That's probably at or near the top of what people are scoring now, but clearly that isn't even the highest score that player can put up if they really wanted to. Also, 6* champions are rare in general, but the very top players have played and spent their way into multiple 6* champions now. I'm sure many top arena grinders have at least three, or will soon. If you are buying refreshes to grind your way to the top, three is all you need. I was referring to the exaggerations. It will be higher of course.
DNA3000 wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » I think we're overlooking the fact that aside from a handful of 6*s in-game, we're working with the same Rosters we currently have. There will be a marginal increase in Cutoffs, but I don't see it going to astronomical proportions, especially at first. I'm not sure what you mean by "astronomical" but the cutoffs have to increase for two reasons. First, the 4* featured cutoff is for top 800, not top 150. The top 150 are already, based on the best data we have, scoring between 22 and 25 million minimum now, without much pressure from below. And second, what the top 150 are scoring now isn't their best scoring possible, so there is a lot higher they can go and would almost certainty would go to pursue a 5* champion over a 4* champion. I saw video evidence recently of a player capable of scoring 37 million points in 484 rounds, at a speed of probably over 30 rounds per hour. That's about five hours a day to get 37 million, using refreshes. That's probably at or near the top of what people are scoring now, but clearly that isn't even the highest score that player can put up if they really wanted to. Also, 6* champions are rare in general, but the very top players have played and spent their way into multiple 6* champions now. I'm sure many top arena grinders have at least three, or will soon. If you are buying refreshes to grind your way to the top, three is all you need.
GroundedWisdom wrote: » I think we're overlooking the fact that aside from a handful of 6*s in-game, we're working with the same Rosters we currently have. There will be a marginal increase in Cutoffs, but I don't see it going to astronomical proportions, especially at first.
GroundedWisdom wrote: » Well done. The point I was making was that we will have to see what the Cutoffs will be but I don't see any merit in being discourged or intimidated from trying.
DNA3000 wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » Well done. The point I was making was that we will have to see what the Cutoffs will be but I don't see any merit in being discourged or intimidated from trying. No one actually going for the top 150 is going to be either encouraged or discouraged by anything you say, or for that matter anything I say.
GroundedWisdom wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » Well done. The point I was making was that we will have to see what the Cutoffs will be but I don't see any merit in being discourged or intimidated from trying. No one actually going for the top 150 is going to be either encouraged or discouraged by anything you say, or for that matter anything I say. I wasn't directing the comment at those people.
DNA3000 wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » Well done. The point I was making was that we will have to see what the Cutoffs will be but I don't see any merit in being discourged or intimidated from trying. No one actually going for the top 150 is going to be either encouraged or discouraged by anything you say, or for that matter anything I say. I wasn't directing the comment at those people. I will contemplate directing the comment that people shouldn't be discouraged from trying to achieve the cutoff at the players not attempting to achieve the cutoff as my koan of the day.
linux wrote: » . DNA3000 wrote: » CpcBoyboy wrote: » i Hope KABAM NEED TO LOOK DEEPLY THE TOP150 ! u can see if different login or multiple devices on different ip, , u can have multiple devices on same ip , and to see how is possible for a real human to play arena 24h ? i dont believe some peoples dont sleep or eat or going to pee , mercs and bots still on arenas so , for me arena already is broken if no fix it, and need max refresh champ per day to prevent unlimited refresh for top10 lol I've seen video evidence that you can average over 70k per round and do over 30 rounds per hour with the right masteries (suicides in particular). That means the twenty million cutoff scores for recent 4* featured champs can be done by top grinders in about ten hours. Not ten hours a day, ten hours period. Someone willing to grind for about five hours a day - which is hard, but doesn't require any superhuman effort - can reach 30 million or more. It doesn't take 24 hours of gameplay to reach the scores being put up in the 4* arena these days. In fact a bot optimized to run arena 24 hours a day could be putting up 150 million points or more. Those numbers are for r2+ 5*s. If you assume someone has 60 of them, that still only allows them to do 20 rounds (1.4m) ~10 times over the course of 3 days (refresh is 7h) -- for about 14m. If you assume 90, that still only gets them to 21m. r1s give less even with full suicides, and I don't see how you'd get enough t1ac/t4bc to rank up all the 5*s (though I can plausibly believe 60). To get to 30m, you'd need to include 4*s, and 4*s don't give such high numbers per round (which means much more than 15h total grinding) -- you can get about 35-40k per round for r5s ... though I'm having difficulty believing that many players have all 5/50s (I know t4cc overflow -- I'd be in that boat if I hadn't stopped opening crystals -- but not t1ac and t4bc). Edit: corrected some numbers.
DNA3000 wrote: » CpcBoyboy wrote: » i Hope KABAM NEED TO LOOK DEEPLY THE TOP150 ! u can see if different login or multiple devices on different ip, , u can have multiple devices on same ip , and to see how is possible for a real human to play arena 24h ? i dont believe some peoples dont sleep or eat or going to pee , mercs and bots still on arenas so , for me arena already is broken if no fix it, and need max refresh champ per day to prevent unlimited refresh for top10 lol I've seen video evidence that you can average over 70k per round and do over 30 rounds per hour with the right masteries (suicides in particular). That means the twenty million cutoff scores for recent 4* featured champs can be done by top grinders in about ten hours. Not ten hours a day, ten hours period. Someone willing to grind for about five hours a day - which is hard, but doesn't require any superhuman effort - can reach 30 million or more. It doesn't take 24 hours of gameplay to reach the scores being put up in the 4* arena these days. In fact a bot optimized to run arena 24 hours a day could be putting up 150 million points or more.
CpcBoyboy wrote: » i Hope KABAM NEED TO LOOK DEEPLY THE TOP150 ! u can see if different login or multiple devices on different ip, , u can have multiple devices on same ip , and to see how is possible for a real human to play arena 24h ? i dont believe some peoples dont sleep or eat or going to pee , mercs and bots still on arenas so , for me arena already is broken if no fix it, and need max refresh champ per day to prevent unlimited refresh for top10 lol
