Why is nothing being done about piloting?

Ok you guys brought down war ratings before the season started and the legit alliances thought you guys where gonna stop piloting once and for all! But of course with the leaderboards coming of today for season 2 we see all the piloting ally’s from last season are still top of the leaderboards, it’s funny they’ve been piloting since the new AW format has come out & the members who haven’t played AW in months are clearing their paths without any deaths?! I’m an officer in LGN-1 (I think the only ally from Master bracket who didn’t get their war rating reduced because we’ve NEVER piloted) and we’ve got matched 2 out of 3 matches with a piloting alliance with hard video evidence & screenshots of them proving they pilot still, we’ve all sent in multiple tickets to Kabam & nothing has come about it. It’s very aggravating to the legit alliances that other ally’s can’t play with class & with honor. Kabam needs to do something NOW about this! We’ve had a long time member quit yesterday because he’s sick of kabam not doing anything besides empty threats! We wanna know what’s going on? Bans need happen & alliances that are clearly piloting need to not get rewards for a whole season to prove you guys mean business, until you do something drastic they will continue to do this! Lowering their war rating just helped them get easier wars for the upcoming season, cmon kabam you’re better than this. You also need to boost the alliances that got screwed from season points by piloting alliances
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  • KnightarthusKnightarthus Posts: 419 ★★★
    They also lowered their points they are now in Gold 1 clearing the way for honest alliances.
  • Namo10Namo10 Posts: 28
    And what happens to the honest alliances that played by the rules?
  • jaylerdjaylerd Posts: 113
    You have to give them time to collect data on these alliances now that they've announced punishments.

    They're not going to announce NO MORE PILOTING! and then trash every alliance that did that - they're going to give everyone, even the cheaters with their high high ratings, a chance to act right. If they don't, punished. If the alliances with their high ratings got that way by piloting, but they stop and can't keep up that rating, they'll fall hard.

    Either way, Kabam is in the data-collection phase right now.
  • Namo10Namo10 Posts: 28
    What seems to be happening now, is anyone losing a war jumps here and calls pilot.

    I mean we can still lose wars and it not be piloting.

    Yea and when that specific alliance loses 600 points on war rating and is dropped to 110th in gold category, what happens then? Twice in one week. Utter discrimination from kabam. Biased one sided hypocritical bs
  • RiegelRiegel Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    What seems to be happening now, is anyone losing a war jumps here and calls pilot.

    I mean we can still lose wars and it not be piloting.

    You understand that this isn't that at all right? The alliance they played WAS piloting. However, they did not take the victory bonus from the cheating alliance and award it to the non-cheating alliance as they should have.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 31,882 ★★★★★
    Riegel wrote: »
    What seems to be happening now, is anyone losing a war jumps here and calls pilot.

    I mean we can still lose wars and it not be piloting.

    You understand that this isn't that at all right? The alliance they played WAS piloting. However, they did not take the victory bonus from the cheating alliance and award it to the non-cheating alliance as they should have.

    That would be someone taking the spoils of someone else cheating.
  • NevvBNevvB Posts: 287 ★★★
    Riegel wrote: »
    What seems to be happening now, is anyone losing a war jumps here and calls pilot.

    I mean we can still lose wars and it not be piloting.

    You understand that this isn't that at all right? The alliance they played WAS piloting. However, they did not take the victory bonus from the cheating alliance and award it to the non-cheating alliance as they should have.

    That would be someone taking the spoils of someone else cheating.

    ???
  • RiegelRiegel Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    Riegel wrote: »
    ArmandStar wrote: »
    that would be someone that played by the rules taking spoils, and someone that cheated not getting spoils

    No, it would be double retribution. They can't reasonably assume you would have won, and if they're removing War Rating AND Points, people will also be going up in positions, from doing the right thing. What the suggestion would result in is benefitting from someone else's mistakes. A bit greedy, IMO.

    It shouldn't matter. You should't be able to cheat and get a victory. If you cheat in any way you should lose. The team that didn't cheat should be given the win by default.

    Weather or not a team would have lost had the cheating team not cheated is immaterial, because they cheated.

    If they're not keeping the Points or the Rating, then that's not a victory. What you're saying is they should give you the Rewards by default because they cheated, and remove spoils on top of that. Whether you would win or not is not irrelevant. You only deserve Rewards if you win and win fairly. Either way you spell it out, it's benefitting from someone else breaking the rules.

    Huh? You can't win fairly if someone is cheating. You understand this right?
  • Cujo999Cujo999 Posts: 117
    Riegel wrote: »
    ArmandStar wrote: »
    that would be someone that played by the rules taking spoils, and someone that cheated not getting spoils

    No, it would be double retribution. They can't reasonably assume you would have won, and if they're removing War Rating AND Points, people will also be going up in positions, from doing the right thing. What the suggestion would result in is benefitting from someone else's mistakes. A bit greedy, IMO.

    It shouldn't matter. You should't be able to cheat and get a victory. If you cheat in any way you should lose. The team that didn't cheat should be given the win by default.

    Weather or not a team would have lost had the cheating team not cheated is immaterial, because they cheated.

    If they're not keeping the Points or the Rating, then that's not a victory. What you're saying is they should give you the Rewards by default because they cheated, and remove spoils on top of that. Whether you would win or not is not irrelevant. You only deserve Rewards if you win and win fairly. Either way you spell it out, it's benefitting from someone else breaking the rules.

    Issue is, if you played fairly and lost to an Alliance that cheated, your War Rating still drops as if you lost legitimately. You also lost a limited opportunity to win against an opponent that also plays fairly.
  • battleonebattleone Posts: 286 ★★
    Riegel wrote: »
    What seems to be happening now, is anyone losing a war jumps here and calls pilot.

    I mean we can still lose wars and it not be piloting.

    You understand that this isn't that at all right? The alliance they played WAS piloting. However, they did not take the victory bonus from the cheating alliance and award it to the non-cheating alliance as they should have.

    The problem i see for them and reason they are nt't doing this is their privacy rules. It essentially announces who they have punished. That is my guess
  • RiegelRiegel Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    battleone wrote: »
    Riegel wrote: »
    What seems to be happening now, is anyone losing a war jumps here and calls pilot.

    I mean we can still lose wars and it not be piloting.

    You understand that this isn't that at all right? The alliance they played WAS piloting. However, they did not take the victory bonus from the cheating alliance and award it to the non-cheating alliance as they should have.

    The problem i see for them and reason they are nt't doing this is their privacy rules. It essentially announces who they have punished. That is my guess

    Nah Miike said:
    "Hi there,

    Unfortunately, we cannot adjust the points or rewards for wars against other alliances, even if they have had their points adjusted. There are a number of reasons for this, including some technical limitations, but a big one is that we cannot be sure that if no violations had occurred, your alliance would have won that war.

    Additionally, since Season Scores and Brackets are based on placement, if an Alliance falls below yours, your placement is elevated.

    Please do not name specific users or alliances in our forums. This is a violation of our Forum Rules."

    Which says they can adjust scores, but says there is some technical limitation there. This makes no sense at all.

    They also say they cannot be sure if no violations had occurred, your alliance would have won that war. Which shouldn't matter. That team cheated they should be DQ'd and the next team should get the victory bonus.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 31,882 ★★★★★
    Riegel wrote: »
    Riegel wrote: »
    ArmandStar wrote: »
    that would be someone that played by the rules taking spoils, and someone that cheated not getting spoils

    No, it would be double retribution. They can't reasonably assume you would have won, and if they're removing War Rating AND Points, people will also be going up in positions, from doing the right thing. What the suggestion would result in is benefitting from someone else's mistakes. A bit greedy, IMO.

    It shouldn't matter. You should't be able to cheat and get a victory. If you cheat in any way you should lose. The team that didn't cheat should be given the win by default.

    Weather or not a team would have lost had the cheating team not cheated is immaterial, because they cheated.

    If they're not keeping the Points or the Rating, then that's not a victory. What you're saying is they should give you the Rewards by default because they cheated, and remove spoils on top of that. Whether you would win or not is not irrelevant. You only deserve Rewards if you win and win fairly. Either way you spell it out, it's benefitting from someone else breaking the rules.

    Huh? You can't win fairly if someone is cheating. You understand this right?

    They also can't assume you would have won whether they played fairly or not. They're removing Rating and Points, which means the people playing by the rules will rise in standings. That's enough. Anything on top of that is just creating an equally-unfair situation.
  • RektorRektor Posts: 678 ★★★
    1. Not the only season1 master alliance that didn’t have their war rating reduced.

    2. Some season 1 master alliances that were punished for their egregious piloting last season have stopped and now die about 4x as much as they did last season. It seems the ones punished today gambled unwisely during week 1 on how serious kabam is about this.

    Otherwise, agreed
  • It's pretty easy to check the leaderboard and see who got dropped. The privacy issues that are always raised are silly tbh.

    As far as fairness goes... Cheating should be a dq. If your opponent is dq'd, you win. But there are too many details involved for them to take care of that. They could (possibly) take away rewards, which I'd be a big fan of. In the end, season 1 was the season of pilots... And it was that way solely because of the sweet rewards. So, take em away. Why should cheaters be allowed to progress so far? The war rewards are the best thing going on the game right now. Stop fighting to get your rewards and start fighting to get their rewards taken away imho. To hell w them.

  • SnizzbarSnizzbar Posts: 1,995 ★★★★★
    Riegel wrote: »
    Riegel wrote: »
    ArmandStar wrote: »
    that would be someone that played by the rules taking spoils, and someone that cheated not getting spoils

    No, it would be double retribution. They can't reasonably assume you would have won, and if they're removing War Rating AND Points, people will also be going up in positions, from doing the right thing. What the suggestion would result in is benefitting from someone else's mistakes. A bit greedy, IMO.

    It shouldn't matter. You should't be able to cheat and get a victory. If you cheat in any way you should lose. The team that didn't cheat should be given the win by default.

    Weather or not a team would have lost had the cheating team not cheated is immaterial, because they cheated.

    If they're not keeping the Points or the Rating, then that's not a victory. What you're saying is they should give you the Rewards by default because they cheated, and remove spoils on top of that. Whether you would win or not is not irrelevant. You only deserve Rewards if you win and win fairly. Either way you spell it out, it's benefitting from someone else breaking the rules.

    Huh? You can't win fairly if someone is cheating. You understand this right?

    They also can't assume you would have won whether they played fairly or not. They're removing Rating and Points, which means the people playing by the rules will rise in standings. That's enough. Anything on top of that is just creating an equally-unfair situation.

    That's just as unfair. This way means that every other alliance in the game who plays fairly benefits from the cheaters dropping, whereas it should just be the alliance that was cheated against.
    And what happens to my alliance if we're matched up against ten different alliances who all pilot? Through no fault of our own, we lose all of those potential rewards. ALL OF THEM. Not just the ones we would have lost by losing, but all the rewards we would have won by playing fairly.
    Which would be completely unfair and an utter waste of everyone's time.
  • LoganLogan Posts: 140
    I just don't get how people are accusing others of piloting because they don't die as much as they think they should. They made boosts available that are OP I kill a rank 4 spidy mini every war with full bonus because i use 3/4 boosts so I don't die that easy. Also with the boost include organized moving with your team mates because they only last a short amount of time so you don't throw away 30 units per boost unless purchase from loyalty store. If your planning on winning with hope the other alliance won't finish that is a faulty game plan.
  • If those are the reasons people are accusing others, that's silly. Because those are literally not the red flags you should look for lol. There's a confusion amongst many in the community as to what goes on... But that doesn't make the issue not real. I'm very glad kabam has taken steps to fix what is probably the biggest problem in the game right now.
  • klobberintymeklobberintyme Posts: 855 ★★★
    ...cmon kabam you’re better than this.

    NAW
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