Why is nothing being done about piloting?
SteelCurtainMUT
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Ok you guys brought down war ratings before the season started and the legit alliances thought you guys where gonna stop piloting once and for all! But of course with the leaderboards coming of today for season 2 we see all the piloting ally’s from last season are still top of the leaderboards, it’s funny they’ve been piloting since the new AW format has come out & the members who haven’t played AW in months are clearing their paths without any deaths?! I’m an officer in LGN-1 (I think the only ally from Master bracket who didn’t get their war rating reduced because we’ve NEVER piloted) and we’ve got matched 2 out of 3 matches with a piloting alliance with hard video evidence & screenshots of them proving they pilot still, we’ve all sent in multiple tickets to Kabam & nothing has come about it. It’s very aggravating to the legit alliances that other ally’s can’t play with class & with honor. Kabam needs to do something NOW about this! We’ve had a long time member quit yesterday because he’s sick of kabam not doing anything besides empty threats! We wanna know what’s going on? Bans need happen & alliances that are clearly piloting need to not get rewards for a whole season to prove you guys mean business, until you do something drastic they will continue to do this! Lowering their war rating just helped them get easier wars for the upcoming season, cmon kabam you’re better than this. You also need to boost the alliances that got screwed from season points by piloting alliances
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I mean we can still lose wars and it not be piloting.
They're not going to announce NO MORE PILOTING! and then trash every alliance that did that - they're going to give everyone, even the cheaters with their high high ratings, a chance to act right. If they don't, punished. If the alliances with their high ratings got that way by piloting, but they stop and can't keep up that rating, they'll fall hard.
Either way, Kabam is in the data-collection phase right now.
Yea and when that specific alliance loses 600 points on war rating and is dropped to 110th in gold category, what happens then? Twice in one week. Utter discrimination from kabam. Biased one sided hypocritical bs
You understand that this isn't that at all right? The alliance they played WAS piloting. However, they did not take the victory bonus from the cheating alliance and award it to the non-cheating alliance as they should have.
That would be someone taking the spoils of someone else cheating.
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No, it would be double retribution. They can't reasonably assume you would have won, and if they're removing War Rating AND Points, people will also be going up in positions, from doing the right thing. What the suggestion would result in is benefitting from someone else's mistakes. A bit greedy, IMO.
It shouldn't matter. You should't be able to cheat and get a victory. If you cheat in any way you should lose. The team that didn't cheat should be given the win by default.
Weather or not a team would have lost had the cheating team not cheated is immaterial, because they cheated.
If they're not keeping the Points or the Rating, then that's not a victory. What you're saying is they should give you the Rewards by default because they cheated, and remove spoils on top of that. Whether you would win or not is not irrelevant. You only deserve Rewards if you win and win fairly. Either way you spell it out, it's benefitting from someone else breaking the rules.
Huh? You can't win fairly if someone is cheating. You understand this right?
Issue is, if you played fairly and lost to an Alliance that cheated, your War Rating still drops as if you lost legitimately. You also lost a limited opportunity to win against an opponent that also plays fairly.
The problem i see for them and reason they are nt't doing this is their privacy rules. It essentially announces who they have punished. That is my guess
Nah Miike said:
"Hi there,
Unfortunately, we cannot adjust the points or rewards for wars against other alliances, even if they have had their points adjusted. There are a number of reasons for this, including some technical limitations, but a big one is that we cannot be sure that if no violations had occurred, your alliance would have won that war.
Additionally, since Season Scores and Brackets are based on placement, if an Alliance falls below yours, your placement is elevated.
Please do not name specific users or alliances in our forums. This is a violation of our Forum Rules."
Which says they can adjust scores, but says there is some technical limitation there. This makes no sense at all.
They also say they cannot be sure if no violations had occurred, your alliance would have won that war. Which shouldn't matter. That team cheated they should be DQ'd and the next team should get the victory bonus.
They also can't assume you would have won whether they played fairly or not. They're removing Rating and Points, which means the people playing by the rules will rise in standings. That's enough. Anything on top of that is just creating an equally-unfair situation.
2. Some season 1 master alliances that were punished for their egregious piloting last season have stopped and now die about 4x as much as they did last season. It seems the ones punished today gambled unwisely during week 1 on how serious kabam is about this.
Otherwise, agreed
You're math is just flat wrong. I am no longer competing against the best alliances in the game for a top prize. I'm only competing against those who were lucky enough not to match a cheating alliance.
Please stop blinding agreeing with Kabam. There is just no justification for allowing an honest team to get a point reduction as damaging as that because they had the misfortune to match against a cheating alliance.
As far as fairness goes... Cheating should be a dq. If your opponent is dq'd, you win. But there are too many details involved for them to take care of that. They could (possibly) take away rewards, which I'd be a big fan of. In the end, season 1 was the season of pilots... And it was that way solely because of the sweet rewards. So, take em away. Why should cheaters be allowed to progress so far? The war rewards are the best thing going on the game right now. Stop fighting to get your rewards and start fighting to get their rewards taken away imho. To hell w them.
That's just as unfair. This way means that every other alliance in the game who plays fairly benefits from the cheaters dropping, whereas it should just be the alliance that was cheated against.
And what happens to my alliance if we're matched up against ten different alliances who all pilot? Through no fault of our own, we lose all of those potential rewards. ALL OF THEM. Not just the ones we would have lost by losing, but all the rewards we would have won by playing fairly.
Which would be completely unfair and an utter waste of everyone's time.
If the two alliances that fought that war were the only two alliances that existed, then it makes sense that you award the victory to the alliance that didn't cheat, because when you disqualify the cheating alliance there's no other rational possibility. But the problem is that there are lots of other alliances competing at the same time. When you decide to award victory points to an alliance that loses because you disqualify their opponent, that doesn't just affect that alliance it also affects all of the other alliances that you just promoted the losing alliance in front of. It is easy to say it doesn't matter if we know what the result would have been absent cheating if you are just penalizing the cheating alliance, but you are also indirectly penalizing surrounding alliances by giving the victim of cheating an automatic win. In effect, you are giving the victims of cheating a free win and free points without knowing if they would have earned those points.
Every time you move an alliance up the bracket board with points, you are moving a bunch of alliances downward at the same time. It is easy to justify moving that one alliance upward if they were the victims of cheating. It isn't as easy to justify moving all those other alliances downward to remedy cheating they had nothing to do with. You don't know with certainty that absent cheating they would have all moved downward, but you're willing to do it all the same. That seems wrong to me.
I've thought about this problem for a while now, and the only "fair" remedy I can think of is a seasonal compensation calculation. Whenever an alliance is the victim of a cheating alliance (that Kabam detects, of course) that is noted. At the very end of the season all bracket positions are calculated based on the points earned, without taking cheating into account. Once every alliance's bracket placement is established, then for every alliance that was the victim of a cheating alliance their total points are modified to include some compensation factor for that cheating incident, for all cheating incidents. *IF* that higher score would have placed that alliance into a higher bracket, that alliance gets the higher bracket rewards without altering the rankings of any other alliance. This compensates alliances for being the victims of cheating, without penalizing any other alliance while you are doing it.
In other words, if you end the season in 8th place in Gold 1, but you encountered three cheating alliances and when we add however many points we decide to add as compensation for that cheating (deciding what this should be is a separate complicated discussion) you now have enough points that you would have ended up in 148th place in Platinum 3, then your alliance gets Platinum 3 rewards, but none of the Platinum 3 alliances gets bumped to make room for you.
It would probably substantially delay seasonal rewards going out, and the question of how many points to award a cheating victim alliance is not a trivial one. But something like that might work.
NAW