Electro and Iceman Changes Required

So Sabretooth is immune to cold snap, this being as his character descriptions mentions he is “immune to cold”.

Surely, surely a man, a hero made of ice would be immune to cold too? Iceman should be immune to cold snap and we’ve never had a response from Kabam as to why he isn’t.

Nor have we had an official response to why Electro, a man, a villain who has Electric coursing through his veins isn’t immune to electrons electric damage.

With enough votes I hope we can get this idea put forward to the game team.

We all want a fun and interactive game, but some characters need to be designed with a bit more logic and a bit more attention paid to who they are as a champion.

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Icecold2099

I agree both should be immune to their own abilities.

Side note: shock immune Corvus should also be immune to Electro's rebound damage as long as he has glaive charges.

Ankalagonn

It would a nice, balanced change for electro.

Webby72

As much as this is good in principal, if you were to have Iceman be immune to ice damage he would be a bit too op. You get the argument of GR being immune to incinerate, but he is balanced, as is Iceman. Electro however would benefit from the buff really.

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Friendly_User

GR should be immune to incinerate...

*runs away*

Qbdnfrhu

That is just stupid that iceman isn't immune to the cold and electro isn't immune to shock

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Demonzfyre

Why doesn't Groot burn faster when under an incinerate debuff?
Why doesn't Blade get power when he is bleeding himself?
Why isn't Loki coldsnap immune? He is a frost giant after all.
Why isn't Thor shock immune?
Why don't robots take more shock damage?
Why can't GR melt Iceman?
The game is what it is. Just enjoy it for that reason. The game team is always aware of weird irony they create. They wont change it.

By the way @WWIICaptainAmerica you aren't the first person to ask these questions. You won't be the last. Your poll will not help or further the cause.

shadow_lurker22

Demonzfyre wrote: »

Why doesn't Groot burn faster when under an incinerate debuff?
Why doesn't Blade get power when he is bleeding himself?
Why isn't Loki coldsnap immune? He is a frost giant after all.
Why isn't Thor shock immune?
Why don't robots take more shock damage?
Why can't GR melt Iceman?
The game is what it is. Just enjoy it for that reason. The game team is always aware of weird irony they create. They wont change it.

By the way @WWIICaptainAmerica you aren't the first person to ask these questions. You won't be the last. Your poll will not help or further the cause.

Iceman has frozen hell before so I can let gr not melting him slide

Austin555555

Iceman should be immune to cold snap since he is ice. Electro can’t because there’s no point. Electro can be frozen and struggle getting free, Ice is somewhat his weakness since ice is frozen water.

B_Dizzle_01

Austin555555 wrote: »

Iceman should be immune to cold snap since he is ice. Electro can’t because there’s no point. Electro can be frozen and struggle getting free, Ice is somewhat his weakness since ice is frozen water.

The electro debate was for him to be immune to shock since he’s electric. Not immune to coldsnap.

Also on the subject of Sabertooth. Just want to throw out there that he’s not listed as a villain for danger sense. He seemed to be on the bad side in most content I’m aware of. I know a little off topic but thought it was relevant since he was brought up about coldsnap.

And I agree with the entire argument of electro and iceman. It makes no sense that someone made of ice or electricity could be harmed by the elements that compose them.

Webby72

@TheSpicyKnight fair enough I’m thinking if coldsnap no comes a debut from other champs, but so far I guess that isn’t the case.

Ruben101

Ankalagonn wrote: »

It would a nice, balanced change for electro.

I agree

WWIICaptainAmerica

@shadow_lurker22 @Demonzfyre I appreciate this might have been raised before. I’m still quite new to the game, I only have three four stars and one of them is Iceman. Haven’t got some of the champions you’ve mentioned but I see some of your points.

Just think it’s a good debate topic but sorry if I’m flogging a dead horse.

If nothing changes I’ve atleast enjoyed reading people’s arguments for and against the idea.

WWIICaptainAmerica

@Kabam Miike @Kabam Wolf @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Zibiit @Kabam Loto what are your thoughts and would it be possible to atleast put this idea forward to the game team? Making a character immune to their own powers seems to make sense and I don’t see this unbalancing the game. If anything it might make certain champs more viable for taking up and ranking up instead of everyone having a blade as their top champion.

Anthinho

I would like to see a ghost rider buff as well

FineDog

Webby72 wrote: »

As much as this is good in principal, if you were to have Iceman be immune to ice damage he would be a bit too op. You get the argument of GR being immune to incinerate, but he is balanced, as is Iceman. Electro however would benefit from the buff really.

I agree Iceman is already pretty OP and making him immune to coldsnap would make him more so. So, here's a thought, maybe Iceman, a man made out of ice, should be immune to coldsnap but not INCINERATE? On balance, it would nerf him, since a lot more champs do incinerate than coldsnap, but he'd still be an insanely powerful character.

mum_m2

Demonzfyre wrote: »

Why doesn't Groot burn faster when under an incinerate debuff?
Why doesn't Blade get power when he is bleeding himself?
Why isn't Loki coldsnap immune? He is a frost giant after all.
Why isn't Thor shock immune?
Why don't robots take more shock damage?
Why can't GR melt Iceman?
The game is what it is. Just enjoy it for that reason. The game team is always aware of weird irony they create. They wont change it.

By the way @WWIICaptainAmerica you aren't the first person to ask these questions. You won't be the last. Your poll will not help or further the cause.

So then what is the forum for then???? Yeah the more people who mention this and demand change the more likely Kabam will look into it. Standing by in the herd of sheeple waiting for change doesn't solve the problems of this game and or the world.

Rocap

Yes but if Iceman is immune to cold damage he needs to be susceptible to fire because that's how ice actually works.

Wyldstyle

I've made this same inquiry before. Some people believe in logic. Some don't. Kabam obviously does not. I mean it only makes sense being that iceman is the ONLY champ that applies any sort of cold debuff, so why would he not be immune to it...

Demonzfyre

WWIICaptainAmerica wrote: »

@Kabam Miike @Kabam Wolf @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Zibiit @Kabam Loto what are your thoughts and would it be possible to atleast put this idea forward to the game team? Making a character immune to their own powers seems to make sense and I don’t see this unbalancing the game. If anything it might make certain champs more viable for taking up and ranking up instead of everyone having a blade as their top champion.

Please don't tag the MOD's like that. It's against the ToS for one and they have a lot of stuff going on.

mum_m2 wrote: »

Demonzfyre wrote: »

Why doesn't Groot burn faster when under an incinerate debuff?
Why doesn't Blade get power when he is bleeding himself?
Why isn't Loki coldsnap immune? He is a frost giant after all.
Why isn't Thor shock immune?
Why don't robots take more shock damage?
Why can't GR melt Iceman?
The game is what it is. Just enjoy it for that reason. The game team is always aware of weird irony they create. They wont change it.

By the way @WWIICaptainAmerica you aren't the first person to ask these questions. You won't be the last. Your poll will not help or further the cause.

So then what is the forum for then???? Yeah the more people who mention this and demand change the more likely Kabam will look into it. Standing by in the herd of sheeple waiting for change doesn't solve the problems of this game and or the world.

It's absolutely part of what the forum is. But there are existing threads that are out there that can be added to instead of starting a new one. It's pretty well known that everyone wants Iceman to be coldsnap immune. Miike has commented on both him and GR and his reasoning was because Incinerate/Coldsnap Immunities didn't exist before they were champs.

dparm

Remember that the game takes place in its own universe, not the MCU. That means the characters do not have to perfectly emulate the movies, comics, etc. It's also why you see made-up characters like Guillotine and Civil Warrior.

Goken2345

Electro should heal or gain power from shock damage and electrical based attacks.

EnderDraco58

Seen as Iceman already has amazing health, and a not too amazing attack, I feel like not having an immunity to coldsnap isn't the worst thing, as if this was the case, these fights would be much longer than they already are.

B_Dizzle_01

True

XxOriginalxX

Regarding electro specifically, it’s...shocking...that this hasn’t been implemented, truly something that needs to be paid attention to. I know it hertz to not have this in the game, but the devs need to step back and say “watt are we doing in this current moment” hopefully this comment will brighten someone’s day or perhaps spark some more interest in this topic

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Bajan_Samurai

With how electrical fields work, an argument could be made that Electro should still take some shock damage; however, with electrical control, it would be fair to reduce how much damage reflects on him

Regular champs take 35% damage feedback
Electro should take only 10% damage feedback
Incidentally, Magneto and Dr. Strange, who have an energy and contact attack, should register as only partial physical feedback and take (maybe half?) 18% damage feedback (along with feeding less into Ultron's, Capt./Ms. Marvel's energy absorption)
The flame portion of Ghost Rider's Sp2 should not trigger electric feedback since it's not contact like the chain or punch is.

Honestly, Electro should get a redesign where the amount of feedback damage when hit increases and decreases with how much power he has stored (base 10% raises to 40% when all 3 bars are full).

Regarding Iceman, I understand the trade off with Coldsnap, so if tweaked to allow him to be cold immune they should rework incineration immunity to be only a resistance, i.e.

fire debuffs expire faster
first fire debuff cancels out with his ice armor
sustained flame like Mephisto's has no damage if the armor is up, reduced damage if the armor is down

Incidentally, Loki as the only other ice attacker so far should gain a percentage chance to trigger a variation of Coldsnap they could call 'Frost Bite' as a unique synergy when paired with either Iceman or Storm. It would hint at the separate histories both Iceman and Storm shared with Asgardian tweaks to their powers in the comics. If they ever add Crystal of the Inhumans, maybe she could have a water effect that also triggers Coldsnap, but I suggested a configuration of her powers that divides the battle stage into four quadrants and elemental based abilities in each one related to Earth, Water, Air and Fire (back to front) that can be seen here.

Other candidates for ice effects would be Star-Lord (element gun doing ice damage instead of shock, straight swap) and Ronan (his hammer is supposed to have elemental effects).