Rhulk Incinerate immune at 10 charge?

Based on RHulks sig ability should he take any incinerate damage from Mephisto when at 10 charges if each charge provided 10% resistance?

Signature Ability - “Second Strike”
Passive
General Ross prepares to cross the line in the sand, beginning the fight with 2 Heat Charge(s) ready and for each charge he gains 61~259 Physical Resistance.
Additionally, each Heat Charge provides him 8%~15% Incinerate Damage Resistance.

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Marri_2

Then KABAM should explicitly state that in Rulk's sig because the way it is currently worded, it actually is 100% resistance STOP. We have no way of knowing what the threshold is. Is it equal to Mephisto 5-65 max sig Aura? What if you take Rulk against a 6* R3 in the future, will that be too much? Or is it as much as any natural Aura from any Mephisto? Can only nodes overstress Rulk?

Demonzfyre

It does say it in his Sig
My Sig 62 Rhulk is 11.72% resistant for each charge.

Marri_2

Yes, so at 10 charges he is over 100% resistant. That still doesn't tell me how much he can resist. The % means nothing unless we know what absolute number that % represents. The way it is worded now implies that he can be fully resistant to any incinerate damage, regardless of how much it is.

Not debating the math here, but the language. Again, I understand how it works, but that's not how it's described. Especially because the physical resistance ís expressed in an absolute number, it gives off that impression of full resistance for that incinerate.

Immune in this game means a debuff can't be placed, which is not applicable here because the damage emanates from the opponent.

Demonzfyre

According to https://auntm.ai/champions/hulk_red/tier/6 a 6* rank 2 is 20% resistant at sig 200.

Demonzfyre

At 10 charges my sig 62 R3 Rhulk can resist 117.20% damage. It's written pretty clearly and I am not sure why you can't tell how much he can resist. He works the same way Corvus works while having Glaive charges active. While those charges are active, he can't be effected by bleed. While Rhulk has charges, he has resistance to incinerate.

Everyone is trying to over complicate things. When duped he starts with 2 charges so he can start a fight 2x(sig ability%) and he will be that % of resistance. It doesn't say hes immune at all, only says he can be a % resistance to incinerate damage.

Lormif

excecpt it is not, it is is a reduction of 100% of the BASE damage of the incinerate, but Mephisto is doing 140% of the base damage, leaving you with 40% of the base damage.

Lormif

it is still multiplicative, remember multiplication is just mass addition. The issue is the variable assignment for what the 100% represents, it is not the totality, it is the base damage.

Lormif

100% resistant of the base incinerate damage. Immune does not just mean a debuff, it means damage. It is why HT does not take incinerate damage from Mephisto. they could be clearer that itis of the base, but at this point it is well known enough that they dont have to except for the most ardent arguers.

Seraphion

If you use logic you are 100% right.
But its something with the coding that is **** up (imo)

Best example is omega. He is 90% bleedresistant and if you put 1 point into coagualte (-10% bleed damage) he becomes bleed damage immune except if they have nodes that improve % bleed damage. This happend to me in AQ Map 5 vs the MS miniboss.

I think its **** but what can you do?

Seraphion

Bro...

Marri_2

"Base incinerate damage" is still not specific enough. If the 100% really makes him 'immune', then 100% is specific in the sense that it's always everything. We have seen, however, that there is a cap to the amount of damage he is immune to.

Let's say you fight a 30k Mephisto unboosted. You take 0 damage. Then you fight a 3k Mephisto boosted and you do take damage,while even boosted the amount of damage would still be lower than from the 30k unboosted one. That's what is strange. It is either 100% meaning everything, which we have established is not the case, or there is a flat value behind that %, in which case there is a maximum amount of incinerate dmg he can resist. In which case I'd like to see that value instead of a % that everyone interprets as full resistance until suddenly it appears not to be the case.

Marri_2

Not arguing the math here. I see how it works.

But 100% reduction does not mean "reduction of 100% of the base damage". That is an interpretation everyone came up with to explain the issue that we are now seeing. From a linguistic point of view, 100% resistent means to fully resist. Without a specification of a breaking point or a maximum, it is only logical people assume it really means everything.

Lormif

it can depending on the mechcanic involved.

Lormif

the problem is you are already making a ton of assumptions while ignoring how it works. For example logcally there are 3 ways it can work, the way you dont like. Or it could mean 10 stacks is 100%, OR and here is another way it could work, the first one is 10%, the second one is 9% of the damage, and so forth, because it is reducing 10% of the remaining damage.
100- 10%
90-10%
81-10%

you are stuck in this mentality that THIS IS HOW IT HAS TO WORK because that is the only way YOU understand the wording, but that is not the only way the wording can be interpreted mathmatically.

Marri_2

The fact that it CAN be interpreted in different ways is exactly what I am saying is the problem. I have no issue with the way it works. KABAM should describe it so that we can't even have this discussion.

I am not stuck in 1 interpretation. I understand that mathematically it can be seen in different ways. I read all your posts carefully and I am not debating any of that. As a linguist I feel that when abilities are described in language and not in mathematical formulae, the numbers should follow a system. That is not the case in this game, because sometimes a percentage means the one thing, at other times it means something else.

Marri_2

That's the problem. "It can". It doesn't have to. And it is not clear anywhere which mechanic is involved.

Lormif

They use the same mechanic for everything unless stated otherwise. The way this works is the base mechanic.

Marri_2

By the way: just use a max sig Rulk. Will have just over 150% resistance.

XxLoganTDCxX

Bruh, you cant say "just use a max sig Rhulk"
Its not as easy as you say it is
Lots of people don't have him and lots of people don't have him awakened or at a high sig

Marri_2

Anything above sig 90 should work.

Otherwise use Blade

Maybe use Glad Hulk

Or CaIW with science synergy + science sig

Or Domino

I defeated UC Mephisto with all those. Blade, Gulk, Rulk and CaIW were all 4*.

Or Iceman

Or Mephisto

Or Human Torch

Or Void

Or some other option I am missing. Enough counters.

My point was more that there is a version of duped Rulk, at high sig, that gets 14% or more per charge and so covers the node.

nOux

I think the problem is that you guys are calculating everything together. Node calculations comes after base, not added together. Game first calculates damage vs resistance and then node modification comes in to play. Same goes for bleeds etc...

(100%-100%)+40%=40%

DrZola

Actually, if they take away 100% of your apples you don’t have any apples anymore.

That’s how 100% works.

Dr. Zola

Lormif

When you say "100% of MY apples", you are redefining the representation of 100% from X to me and what I have, that is not how it works unless you define a re declaration, which they didnt, because we already declared 100% to represent X which just happens to be the apples I had at the start. 100% is not a continuously updating value unless you declare it so.

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Lormif

Not he way it works, he has 100% resistance to the base damage, therefore potency matters.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Lets say, 1000 damage is 100% damage.
Now the node would increase 40% damage. That becomes 1400 damage, which has now become 140% damage from the original value.
Subtract 100% from that, and you get 40% left.

"Immunity" and "100% resistence" are not the same, and will lead to different results deppending on the scenario

nOux

Like i said before, base calculations comes before node calculations. Simple example in Variant3 there is Mephisto with 200% increased power gain, if u apply Voids 2x Petrify debuffs that reduces power gain by 100% Mephisto will still gain power at 100% rate. It works like this on every node.
Calculation (0-100)+200=100%

U can do test by yourself

nOux

But that’s not how it works.

In layman’s terms let’s say hulk can resist 100% fire damage out of 140% fire damage multiplier. Because damage multiplier is higher than resistance he still going to take 40% damage. If damage attacks resistance and damage multiplier is higher then it will penetrate resistance.

It does not say that hulk can negate 100% fire damage but resist it.

theMercenary

No X apple is not the problem here. The problem is you guys turned here a god damn math forum.

NEO_mr_Anderson

Resistant does not equal to Immune.
If we take real life model, wich is not the case in MCOC, fire restistant can burn, when the temperature reach a certain point.
So, let's say that Mephisto + node can go over the max resistance of RHulk.

Come on guys, it's comic book world/game where Iceman is not immune to coldsnap, where KGroot spit poison, but, is not immune to it, etc...