Overlooked utility champs (list why please)

We're talking the ones who are good but overlooked, not those who are great at one node on your path and that's the only reason they're there. These usually have some good skills but no one great thing about them. I'm skipping Guillotine because her s2 is brutal on regen and her bleed can stack, plus plenty of people love her.
I'll take Jane Foster since her makeover. She can stack stagger, all her specials shock now, which can lead to stun, which can lead to constant critical hits. She has a slight energy resistance and a potential to reload her stuns on the same shock. I get she's not a powerhouse like Thor, but she IS a human is a god's clothing. I won't r5 her or anything crazy like that, I'm just admitting her potential value, especially for those who have her early on in their rosters.
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  • AakashAakash Posts: 340
    Psylocke- she has the best power control machanism if played correctly.
  • BrotherVoBrotherVo Posts: 88
    edited August 2017
    War machine, luke cage, she hulk, iron patriot, hulkbuster, colossus, joe fixit..
    Nothing. I can't find a good ability or utility for this champs. Completely useless and very very weak.
  • SungjSungj Posts: 1,666 ★★★★
    Elektra- She is a bit over shadowed now by archangel and gwenpool but she is still one of the best defensive ability reduction champs in game. Against opponents she can debuff she is probably third behind GP and AA and above BW and CB.

    Venompool- In no way a god tier champion but I feel like he gets more hate than he reserves. Spamming his sp1 gives him great bleed damage especially with deep wounds and against opponents with the occasional buff he actually has a good regen. His duped ability is pretty bad but circumstantially can be useful.

    King Groot- A new champ so not a lot of people have played around with him but he still has flown quite a bit under the radar. Duped he has one of the best regens in game either third or second best. He has great burst damage once you stack 3-4 furies and get a couple stacks of armor break. All that plus bleed immunity makes him one of the best sustainable AQ and general questing champions.
  • The_OneThe_One Posts: 2,935 ★★★★
    My Thor Jayne Foster is rank 5.
    Put her in quests with BW and Hulk and she'll perma stun her way through anything.

    Groot, oh wait, no.
    He's **** in defence and attack
  • Pry22Pry22 Posts: 136
    Loki is a true utility champ. He is very good verse certain heroes. Try him against any regen champ, Hyperion and you will learn to love him. Plus good prestige
  • Pry22Pry22 Posts: 136
    The_One wrote: »
    My Thor Jayne Foster is rank 5.
    Put her in quests with BW and Hulk and she'll perma stun her way through anything.

    Groot, oh wait, no.
    He's **** in defence and attack

    Yea Thor (Jane Foster) is a lot better than I gave her credit for at first. I know find her pretty decent.
  • DoctorofEvilDoctorofEvil Posts: 217
    Psylocke - even unduped she has amazing power control mechanics. Easiest champ to get 100+ combos.

    Winter Soldier - great damage, good bleed, and if duped, some power control as well.

    Karnak - destroys Spiderman and evaders, a useful "utility" as it were.

  • KhanMedinaKhanMedina Posts: 927 ★★★
    Pry22 wrote: »
    Loki is a true utility champ. He is very good verse certain heroes. Try him against any regen champ, Hyperion and you will learn to love him. Plus good prestige

    I love Loki vs. Juggs/UC. Hit s3 on them and steal unstoppables when used. use unstoppable to land more heavies to replenish curse. win
  • mostlyharmlessnmostlyharmlessn Posts: 854 ★★★
    Civil Warrior - Heal block with Heavy, Power Drain with SP2, armor up with SP1 he is very useful for a lot of content. Admittedly he's still not in the necessary column because he is just missing some damage output and his action makes him kind of annoying to use
  • Dormammu everyone thinks he is a good defender but no one noticed how good he is on AW offence. He is like OG vision but he can burn power with a medium and power drain and power lock with a sp2. His damage isn't that special but with the direct damage from his heavys when the soul bond its charged to 100 I was able to deal a ton of damage in a short time without hitting your opponent a lot and that is good news against electro and thorns node. With suicides and MD he is a lot better to take down bosses and mini bosses. Plus all his little skills hidden in his gameplay. He is better than magik IMO.
  • Viper1987Viper1987 Posts: 728 ★★★
    I think Yondu might be an overlooked champ. At first glance he may not seem very impressive but playing with him a lot lately, he has a lot of value and some niche abilities.
  • HENRIQUE_FORTEHENRIQUE_FORTE Posts: 348 ★★
    Pry22 wrote: »
    The_One wrote: »
    My Thor Jayne Foster is rank 5.
    Put her in quests with BW and Hulk and she'll perma stun her way through anything.

    Groot, oh wait, no.
    He's **** in defence and attack

    Yea Thor (Jane Foster) is a lot better than I gave her credit for at first. I know find her pretty decent.

    Damn. You guys are almost convincing me to take my 5* Jane to r2 and, maybe, use her instead of my 4* r4 unduped Elektra...
  • Viper1987Viper1987 Posts: 728 ★★★
    Pry22 wrote: »
    The_One wrote: »
    My Thor Jayne Foster is rank 5.
    Put her in quests with BW and Hulk and she'll perma stun her way through anything.

    Groot, oh wait, no.
    He's **** in defence and attack

    Yea Thor (Jane Foster) is a lot better than I gave her credit for at first. I know find her pretty decent.

    Damn. You guys are almost convincing me to take my 5* Jane to r2 and, maybe, use her instead of my 4* r4 unduped Elektra...

    If Jane is duped, she has amazing damage output.
  • KhanMedinaKhanMedina Posts: 927 ★★★
    Viper1987 wrote: »
    Pry22 wrote: »
    The_One wrote: »
    My Thor Jayne Foster is rank 5.
    Put her in quests with BW and Hulk and she'll perma stun her way through anything.

    Groot, oh wait, no.
    He's **** in defence and attack

    Yea Thor (Jane Foster) is a lot better than I gave her credit for at first. I know find her pretty decent.

    Damn. You guys are almost convincing me to take my 5* Jane to r2 and, maybe, use her instead of my 4* r4 unduped Elektra...

    If Jane is duped, she has amazing damage output.

    Only downside with her is that the opponent will likely be at s3 by the time your stun lock fades off. You probably need the stun masteries that reduce power gain if you really want to use her properly.
  • The_OneThe_One Posts: 2,935 ★★★★
    KhanMedina wrote: »
    Viper1987 wrote: »
    Pry22 wrote: »
    The_One wrote: »
    My Thor Jayne Foster is rank 5.
    Put her in quests with BW and Hulk and she'll perma stun her way through anything.

    Groot, oh wait, no.
    He's **** in defence and attack

    Yea Thor (Jane Foster) is a lot better than I gave her credit for at first. I know find her pretty decent.

    Damn. You guys are almost convincing me to take my 5* Jane to r2 and, maybe, use her instead of my 4* r4 unduped Elektra...

    If Jane is duped, she has amazing damage output.

    Only downside with her is that the opponent will likely be at s3 by the time your stun lock fades off. You probably need the stun masteries that reduce power gain if you really want to use her properly.
    MD at rank 4 and petrify at rank 3, keep hitting her s1 while they're stunned to keep the shock going.
    I recorded myself (to show alliance mates how useful she is) fighting a 5* 15k pi colossus in master with her, he got his s3 pretty quick but could never use it.
  • OneManArmyOneManArmy Posts: 1,982 ★★★★
    Sungj wrote: »
    Elektra- She is a bit over shadowed now by archangel and gwenpool but she is still one of the best defensive ability reduction champs in game. Against opponents she can debuff she is probably third behind GP and AA and above BW and CB.

    Venompool- In no way a god tier champion but I feel like he gets more hate than he reserves. Spamming his sp1 gives him great bleed damage especially with deep wounds and against opponents with the occasional buff he actually has a good regen. His duped ability is pretty bad but circumstantially can be useful.

    King Groot- A new champ so not a lot of people have played around with him but he still has flown quite a bit under the radar. Duped he has one of the best regens in game either third or second best. He has great burst damage once you stack 3-4 furies and get a couple stacks of armor break. All that plus bleed immunity makes him one of the best sustainable AQ and general questing champions.

    Please explain to me how GP is better at defensive ability reduction compared to elektra and certainly Crossbones who is by far the best. i got all 3 of them at r5. she cant compare on that to none of them
  • SungjSungj Posts: 1,666 ★★★★
    OneManArmy wrote: »
    Please explain to me how GP is better at defensive ability reduction compared to elektra and certainly Crossbones who is by far the best. i got all 3 of them at r5. she cant compare on that to none of them

    Gwenpool is more of a damage and utility champ but she still has a defensive ability accuracy reduction so I count her as a ability accuracy reduction champion. My rankings weren't based on the effectiveness of their ability reduction but rather the champions as a whole, sorry I should have specified. Crossbones can be the best in certain scenarios but overall elektra is better. Elektra is better for AW because mystic defenders would gain power too quickly from crossbones' furies, in general questing crossbones has a bit of build up before he can effectively reduce ability accuracy while elektra can right from the start reduce ability accuracy, elektra is more reliable than crossbones as his fury stacks are quite random and elektra has better damage output especially in longer fights. I still love playing crossbones but other than in scenarios where you can't debuff the opponent like in RTTLOL elektra is quite a bit better.
  • FivesFives Posts: 118 ★★
    I do really like Karnak, if only because of his ability to completely shut down evade for most of the fight, if you're pretty aggressive. Plus the huge crit rate just feels good.

    Civil warrior has a great heal block that you can place on a whim, which makes him a great reactionary heal blocker, and he's really fun to play. Wish his power drain were more reliable, though.

    How about Iron Fist? Crazy damage when you stack up a few armor breaks, and his heavy dispels a few buffs, which isn't too crucial but it can tie in well with mystic dispersion.


    Hawkeye's bleed and power drain are definitely great utilities, and I feel like people that are disappointed to pull him should definitely take a closer look at him

    I think Old Man Logan is pretty poor character design, relying on taking damage or baiting specials for his damage, but those times when you stack seven or eight furies and cruelties, his damage is amazing. I just wish he were reliable or consistent in the slightest.

    Also, and this is a character I really don't like, She Hulk, but this is a neat trick you can pull if you have to use her. (Pulled her as a four star and I would never rank her up, but I use her in arena from time to time) Parry the opponent, use a heavy, then interrupt it with your special three. Since her heavy's damage boost manifests itself as a fury buff, you can take advantage of the split second it's active and get off a special three with her huge damage boost.

    Most of all, this whole thing brings to mind how many characters don't really have any use at all, like Groot. I guess he's good on defense?.. I guess? How about Gambit? Sure, he can do decent damage on specials, if you're willing to take a ton of block damage while building up prowess buffs, or more likely, get backed into a corner. What about Falcon? Netflix Daredevil? Joe Fixit? Colossus? There's dozens more. Where's their use outside of arena? I'm fine with tiers in this game, and I don't WANT every character to be god tier, but just looking at all these characters, like elektra, beast, etc, that aren't god tier by any means, but they're still awesome characters... They don't have to be god tier to be good, or fun. I hope that as kabam moves past all the bug fixing patches, they can put some work into buffing characters that need it, especially some of the older ones, even if it's in minor increases to stats.

    (I really hope I'm not hijacking this thread or anything, and I'd love to see other people's opinions on some of this game's diamonds in the rough, but I really do feel like there are precious few of them. The "middle class" of heroes in this game is far too small, if you ask me.)
  • Deadbyrd9Deadbyrd9 Posts: 3,458 ★★★★
    Groot. He has bleed immunity and can regen. I used him in aq a long time ago on map 4 bleed path lol
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 23,503 ★★★★★
    OML. Great Regen Duped. Good Damage with Berserk. Definitely overlooked.
  • YellsomeYellsome Posts: 485
    edited August 2017
    What about gambit?With the romance synergies and stupefy mastery maxed out he can literally stun luck the opponent..if u don't know what I mean..check this out..
  • Dexman1349Dexman1349 Posts: 3,060 ★★★★★
    edited August 2017
    Some of the ones I enjoy fighting with:

    Howard the Duck - Bit of a tank, but also has good damage output. His SP2 can crack off some good debuffs. Has regen similar to Ultron that it triggers when you drop a certain amount of health. He's buffs/debuffs just aren't reliable. You never know what you'll get. Plus he's a duck in a robot suit, how cool is that?

    Venom - The fury he gains when the opponent bleeds (sig ability) can generate some good damage. Very quick attacker, decent for AW defense too.

    Winter Soldier - Like others have said above. Good power control, decent bleed.

    Storm - Her SP2 is one of the hardest hitting in the game.

    Punisher - Good bleed, just a fun one to fight with.

    Hawkeye - Like others have said. Awesome bleed, reliable power control. I think he takes a back seat to Gwenpool because he is Special-dependent whereas Gwen just triggers her bleed with normal hits.

    All of these don't require "special" or "nuanced" play to activate their skills. Don't get me wrong, I like champs like Quake and Psylocke, but needing to do specific hit/special/block combos to activate their good stuff is a bit of a pain. I hated Beast at first because of his nuanced play, but once I learned the difference between acrobatic and freestyle modes (and how to chain them), he's been a lot of fun to play with his stacked bleeds, bleed resistance, and health regen.
  • KpatrixKpatrix Posts: 996 ★★★
    Punisher 2099, he has heal block, can stun on heavies, his specials are good if used correctly, and he has a small regen. His power drain/power lock are useful, and used with his unique synergy team makes him even better. He isn't the hardest hitting champ, but great for utility. Since he is relatively new, not many people have had a chance to use him, but I enjoy questing with him.
  • [quote="Fives;c-106026"Most of all, this whole thing brings to mind how many characters don't really have any use at all, like Groot. I guess he's good on defense?.. I guess? How about Gambit? Sure, he can do decent damage on specials, if you're willing to take a ton of block damage while building up prowess buffs, or more likely, get backed into a corner. What about Falcon? Netflix Daredevil? Joe Fixit? Colossus? There's dozens more. Where's their use outside of arena? I'm fine with tiers in this game, and I don't WANT every character to be god tier, but just looking at all these characters, like elektra, beast, etc, that aren't god tier by any means, but they're still awesome characters... They don't have to be god tier to be good, or fun. I hope that as kabam moves past all the bug fixing patches, they can put some work into buffing characters that need it, especially some of the older ones, even if it's in minor increases to stats.
    [/quote]

    Groot can take damage and is bleed immune, but I don't like using him, even on a Guardians team with all that synergy (which can be fun to play with if you're running easy content for prizes). Falcon can lock on to evaders, but you're dead on with the others you mentioned (and referenced). I'm glad there's been so much input on this, as we all have our favorites that nobody else understands. I'm curious to see how Doc Ock and Green Goblin are eventually viewed, since Carnage has been such a disaster, but they're not bad like he is.
  • KingOfMcocKingOfMcoc Posts: 99
    Jarvis9000 wrote: »
    Sungj wrote: »
    OneManArmy wrote: »
    Please explain to me how GP is better at defensive ability reduction compared to elektra and certainly Crossbones who is by far the best. i got all 3 of them at r5. she cant compare on that to none of them

    Gwenpool is more of a damage and utility champ but she still has a defensive ability accuracy reduction so I count her as a ability accuracy reduction champion. My rankings weren't based on the effectiveness of their ability reduction but rather the champions as a whole, sorry I should have specified. Crossbones can be the best in certain scenarios but overall elektra is better. Elektra is better for AW because mystic defenders would gain power too quickly from crossbones' furies, in general questing crossbones has a bit of build up before he can effectively reduce ability accuracy while elektra can right from the start reduce ability accuracy, elektra is more reliable than crossbones as his fury stacks are quite random and elektra has better damage output especially in longer fights. I still love playing crossbones but other than in scenarios where you can't debuff the opponent like in RTTLOL elektra is quite a bit better.
    Sungj wrote: »
    OneManArmy wrote: »
    Please explain to me how GP is better at defensive ability reduction compared to elektra and certainly Crossbones who is by far the best. i got all 3 of them at r5. she cant compare on that to none of them

    Gwenpool is more of a damage and utility champ but she still has a defensive ability accuracy reduction so I count her as a ability accuracy reduction champion. My rankings weren't based on the effectiveness of their ability reduction but rather the champions as a whole, sorry I should have specified. Crossbones can be the best in certain scenarios but overall elektra is better. Elektra is better for AW because mystic defenders would gain power too quickly from crossbones' furies, in general questing crossbones has a bit of build up before he can effectively reduce ability accuracy while elektra can right from the start reduce ability accuracy, elektra is more reliable than crossbones as his fury stacks are quite random and elektra has better damage output especially in longer fights. I still love playing crossbones but other than in scenarios where you can't debuff the opponent like in RTTLOL elektra is quite a bit better.

    Gwenpool is better because at 50 combo she shuts down 100%. Like BW used to. Maybe not in a short easy fight but in a long difficult fight she is way better then CB and Elektra

    Crossbones is still better (other than mystic dispersion)
    You mess up once with gwenpool, it's game over while crossbones has those furies that he can keep the whole fight
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