URGENT!!!!Emma frost and colossus taking incinerate damage

In the new weekly quest hall of heroes, I have just completed the 3rd chapter.. although it cost me a lot more than it should have, in both units and revives due to the bug causing colossus and emma to take incinerate damage even
I have recorded the game footage but as I can only send photos I have added stills from the videos. These are just multiple images from the only 2 fights I recorded so you can see just how much it is happening in each fight.

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nOux

Btw u still did not answer my question why it says effect and everywhere else debuff.

CoatHang3r

I love how you ignoring difference between incinerate debuff and incinerate effect. What ever makes u feel better.

The wording has nothing to do with why Masacre is/isn’t doing these things in the boxes. It’s a non sequitur.

LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

nOux

I love how you ignoring difference between incinerate debuff and incinerate effect. What ever makes u feel better.
The wording has nothing to do with why Masacre is/isn’t doing these things in the boxes. It’s a non sequitur.

LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

If the wording has nothing to do with it, probably you shouldn’t read descriptions and just go whatever you think is right and dont be surprised when it does not work how you think it does but rather how its worded. Ergo this situation.

Championcritic

Urghh, i dont even know what is supposed to be correct anymore

CoatHang3r

I love how you ignoring difference between incinerate debuff and incinerate effect. What ever makes u feel better.
The wording has nothing to do with why Masacre is/isn’t doing these things in the boxes. It’s a non sequitur.

LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

If the wording has nothing to do with it, probably you shouldn’t read descriptions and just go whatever you think is right and dont be surprised when it does not work how you think it does but rather how its worded. Ergo this situation.

LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

nOux

Urghh, i dont even know what is supposed to be correct anymore

Sorry for all the confusion. Im just trying to explain that description says what it does and game mechanics are reflecting that. While other guy trying to say that description and mechanics are wrong.

My advice is contact costumer support through ticket and ask game devs i if description/mechanics are working correctly, then you will not need interpreted explanation why it shouldn’t work like that.

nOux

I love how you ignoring difference between incinerate debuff and incinerate effect. What ever makes u feel better.
The wording has nothing to do with why Masacre is/isn’t doing these things in the boxes. It’s a non sequitur.

LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

If the wording has nothing to do with it, probably you shouldn’t read descriptions and just go whatever you think is right and dont be surprised when it does not work how you think it does but rather how its worded. Ergo this situation.
LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

Did u get stuck in a loop?

CoatHang3r

I love how you ignoring difference between incinerate debuff and incinerate effect. What ever makes u feel better.
The wording has nothing to do with why Masacre is/isn’t doing these things in the boxes. It’s a non sequitur.

LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

If the wording has nothing to do with it, probably you shouldn’t read descriptions and just go whatever you think is right and dont be surprised when it does not work how you think it does but rather how its worded. Ergo this situation.
LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

Did u get stuck in a loop?

Not at all, you seem to have all the answers (including what’s within my mind; super cool ability btw) except the answer to this one.

LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

nOux

I love how you ignoring difference between incinerate debuff and incinerate effect. What ever makes u feel better.
The wording has nothing to do with why Masacre is/isn’t doing these things in the boxes. It’s a non sequitur.

LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

If the wording has nothing to do with it, probably you shouldn’t read descriptions and just go whatever you think is right and dont be surprised when it does not work how you think it does but rather how its worded. Ergo this situation.
LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

Did u get stuck in a loop?
Not at all, you seem to have all the answers (including what’s within my mind; super cool ability btw) except the answer to this one.

LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

Because description did it for me. I dont need to answer something that its already written black on white. When u decide to ignore most simple text i dont know where to go from here. Btw issint funny how u completely avoided my question why it says EFFECT not DEBUFF, and instead of answering you spamming your question that its self explanatory.

nOux

@CoatHang3r my advice to you is to open support ticked as well, because it massive bug if u think not even description is wrong but mechanic as well. And u will defined answer from game devs about this (spoiler alert! it works as intended)

CoatHang3r

I love how you ignoring difference between incinerate debuff and incinerate effect. What ever makes u feel better.
The wording has nothing to do with why Masacre is/isn’t doing these things in the boxes. It’s a non sequitur.

LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

If the wording has nothing to do with it, probably you shouldn’t read descriptions and just go whatever you think is right and dont be surprised when it does not work how you think it does but rather how its worded. Ergo this situation.
LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

Did u get stuck in a loop?
Not at all, you seem to have all the answers (including what’s within my mind; super cool ability btw) except the answer to this one.

LMK when you can tell me why my Masacre is not placing incinerates with each bat hit, not gaining power while hitting into block and also not getting ridiculous attack when blocked; just like in your green box.

Because description did it for me. I dont need to answer something that its already written black on white. When u decide to ignore most simple text i dont know where to go from here. Btw issint funny how u completely avoided my question why it says EFFECT not DEBUFF, and instead of answering you spamming your question that its self explanatory.

I dunno why you’re talking about effect/debuff, you do know the screenshots show attackers taking damage from a debuff failing to apply due to an immunity, right?

So you’re saying you can’t reconcile the boxes? It’s like you see it all so clearly except this, wonder why?

Here it is again.

CoatHang3r

@CoatHang3r my advice to you is to open support ticked as well, because it massive bug if u think not even description is wrong but mechanic as well. And u will defined answer from game devs about this (spoiler alert! it works as intended)

It certainly is not working as described. Intended maybe, but again the description doesn’t say this.

See these boxes....😇

nOux

@CoatHang3r my advice to you is to open support ticked as well, because it massive bug if u think not even description is wrong but mechanic as well. And u will defined answer from game devs about this (spoiler alert! it works as intended)
It certainly is not working as described. Intended maybe, but again the description doesn’t say this.

See these boxes....😇

Because everything has to do with incinerate are put in to this one column. There are no where else in his whole description says anything about incinerate, thats the only reason why its there next to the other incinerate mechanics. How hard is it to understand such a simple explanation is beyond me.

nOux

It does not say if these incinerate debuffs fail to apply like it does one above, it says incinerate effects meaning all incinerate debuffs/passives from all sources

It cannot be more clear that it is

CoatHang3r

It clearly says each bat hit applies an incinerate, hitting into block generates power and +ridonkulous attack if blocked.

Why you cannot explain why Masacre isn’t also doing these things shouldn’t be hard, I can’t understand why you can’t tell me and it’s beyond me; they’re circled!

See in these circles it says he does all this...but he is not.

Circles are cool.🤣

Championcritic

After listening to both sides, here's my opinion. The incinerates mentioned in masacre's description should by default be referring to the ones that are caused by the ignited bat, this is true. It should technically not be interacting with incinerates cause by outside sources. However, at this time, the game has no way to differentiate between incinerates cause by the ignited bat and incinerates caused by outside sources as they are both incinerates after all. So kabam took advantage of a grey area in the system to give us an unexpected challenge.

If there was a node that says "masacre's bat is always ignited", then the interaction happening currently where the energy damage is inflicted would make more sense. Kabam, please sort this out and make things clear.

nOux

It clearly says each bat hit applies an incinerate, hitting into block generates power and +ridonkulous attack if blocked.

Why you cannot explain why Masacre isn’t also doing these things shouldn’t be hard, I can’t understand why you can’t tell me and it’s beyond me; they’re circled!

See in these circles it says he does all this...but he is not.

Circles are cool.🤣

Because bat needs to be ignited to place INCINERATE DEBUFFS, like everything else in this column has one thing in common is INCINERATE MECHANICS. Masacre bat places INCINERATE DEBUFFS while its ignited. These INCINERATE DEBUFFS increase duration for each INCINERATE DEBUFFS on opponent. Each time INCINERATE EFFECTS (not debuffs, meaning all incinerate effects) fail to apply... it does not say like it said before about “THOSE INCINERATE DEBUFFS” they clearly used different wording to explain that it applies to all incinerate effects not only incinerate debuffs from Masacre bat.

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CoatHang3r

It clearly says each bat hit applies an incinerate, hitting into block generates power and +ridonkulous attack if blocked.

Why you cannot explain why Masacre isn’t also doing these things shouldn’t be hard, I can’t understand why you can’t tell me and it’s beyond me; they’re circled!

See in these circles it says he does all this...but he is not.

Circles are cool.🤣

Because bat needs to be ignited to place INCINERATE DEBUFFS, like everything else in this column has one thing in common is INCINERATE MECHANICS. Masacre bat places INCINERATE DEBUFFS while its ignited. These INCINERATE DEBUFFS increase duration for each INCINERATE DEBUFFS on opponent. Each time INCINERATE EFFECTS (not debuffs, meaning all incinerate effects) fail to apply... it does not say like it said before about “THOSE INCINERATE DEBUFFS” they clearly used different wording to explain that it applies to all incinerate effects not only incinerate debuffs from Masacre bat.

Where does it say his bat needs to be ignited? It’s not within the circles! Is this because they are under the category of Ignited (meaning his bat is en fuego.) which also happens to be the category where the ability to deal x damage when an incinerate fails to apply is?

Yes I agree effects are effects (debuffs and passives; I grasped the general passive/buff/debuff before the game conveyed the info). And yes if Masacre’s bat was en fuego and he had a passive incinerate ability he imparted when struck there would be no question. But see... his bat no en fuego which is a prerequisite, just like the other circled/boxed abilities listed under Ignited.

nOux

It clearly says each bat hit applies an incinerate, hitting into block generates power and +ridonkulous attack if blocked.

Why you cannot explain why Masacre isn’t also doing these things shouldn’t be hard, I can’t understand why you can’t tell me and it’s beyond me; they’re circled!

See in these circles it says he does all this...but he is not.

Circles are cool.🤣

Because bat needs to be ignited to place INCINERATE DEBUFFS, like everything else in this column has one thing in common is INCINERATE MECHANICS. Masacre bat places INCINERATE DEBUFFS while its ignited. These INCINERATE DEBUFFS increase duration for each INCINERATE DEBUFFS on opponent. Each time INCINERATE EFFECTS (not debuffs, meaning all incinerate effects) fail to apply... it does not say like it said before about “THOSE INCINERATE DEBUFFS” they clearly used different wording to explain that it applies to all incinerate effects not only incinerate debuffs from Masacre bat.
Where does it say his bat needs to be ignited? It’s not within the circles! Is this because they are under the category of Ignited (meaning his bat is en fuego.) which also happens to be the category where the ability to deal x damage when an incinerate fails to apply is?

Yes I agree effects are effects (debuffs and passives; I grasped the general passive/buff/debuff before the game conveyed the info). And yes if Masacre’s bat was en fuego and he had a passive incinerate ability he imparted when struck there would be no question. But see... his bat no en fuego which is a prerequisite, just like the other circled/boxed abilities listed under Ignited.

What im trying to say everything in Ignite column has to do with incinerate mechanics. Same goes to ignition charges, everything has to do with with them are in the flammable column, as simple example in same flammable column it says “While ignited Masacre cannot gain additional ignition charges” its there not because bat is ignited but because of ignition charges mechanics. By your logic this while ignited should be in Ignite column. Same goes to “Each incinerate effects fails to apply” its next to ignition not because of bat needs to be ignited but because of incinerate mechanics.

*edited wrong usage of word prerequisite

SentryPillow

I’m going to give my 2 cents on this matter. The incinerate should not be returning any energy damage due to the fact that massacre needs his bat to be ignited. Since massacres ability to return energy damage when the opponent is immune to incinerate falls under the prerequisite of his bat being ignited, no energy damage should be received when using an incinerate immune unless the bat is ignited. It does indeed say an “incinerate effect” meaning any type of incinerate, but unless his bat is ignited, this shouldn’t matter anyway.

Demonzfyre

It clearly says each bat hit applies an incinerate, hitting into block generates power and +ridonkulous attack if blocked.

Why you cannot explain why Masacre isn’t also doing these things shouldn’t be hard, I can’t understand why you can’t tell me and it’s beyond me; they’re circled!

See in these circles it says he does all this...but he is not.

Circles are cool.🤣

Because bat needs to be ignited to place INCINERATE DEBUFFS, like everything else in this column has one thing in common is INCINERATE MECHANICS. Masacre bat places INCINERATE DEBUFFS while its ignited. These INCINERATE DEBUFFS increase duration for each INCINERATE DEBUFFS on opponent. Each time INCINERATE EFFECTS (not debuffs, meaning all incinerate effects) fail to apply... it does not say like it said before about “THOSE INCINERATE DEBUFFS” they clearly used different wording to explain that it applies to all incinerate effects not only incinerate debuffs from Masacre bat.
Where does it say his bat needs to be ignited? It’s not within the circles! Is this because they are under the category of Ignited (meaning his bat is en fuego.) which also happens to be the category where the ability to deal x damage when an incinerate fails to apply is?

Yes I agree effects are effects (debuffs and passives; I grasped the general passive/buff/debuff before the game conveyed the info). And yes if Masacre’s bat was en fuego and he had a passive incinerate ability he imparted when struck there would be no question. But see... his bat no en fuego which is a prerequisite, just like the other circled/boxed abilities listed under Ignited.
What im trying to say everything in Ignite column has to do with incinerate mechanics. Same goes to ignition charges, everything has to do with with them are in the flammable column, as simple example in same flammable column it says “While ignited Masacre cannot gain additional ignition charges” its there not because bat is ignited but because of ignition charges mechanics. By your logic this while ignited should be in Ignite column. Same goes to “Each incinerate effects fails to apply” its next to ignition not because of bat needs to be ignited but because of incinerate mechanics.

*edited wrong usage of word prerequisite

Hate to tell you but you are wrong.

Lets take Cull Obsidian for instance. The benefits from Thanos' favors are only active during them being active. Once those charges expire, those benefits are not longer active.

Just like Masacres "ignited" ability, Culls is listed in a separate box. Masacre gets those extras only from his bat being ignited.

nOux

It clearly says each bat hit applies an incinerate, hitting into block generates power and +ridonkulous attack if blocked.

Why you cannot explain why Masacre isn’t also doing these things shouldn’t be hard, I can’t understand why you can’t tell me and it’s beyond me; they’re circled!

See in these circles it says he does all this...but he is not.

Circles are cool.🤣

Because bat needs to be ignited to place INCINERATE DEBUFFS, like everything else in this column has one thing in common is INCINERATE MECHANICS. Masacre bat places INCINERATE DEBUFFS while its ignited. These INCINERATE DEBUFFS increase duration for each INCINERATE DEBUFFS on opponent. Each time INCINERATE EFFECTS (not debuffs, meaning all incinerate effects) fail to apply... it does not say like it said before about “THOSE INCINERATE DEBUFFS” they clearly used different wording to explain that it applies to all incinerate effects not only incinerate debuffs from Masacre bat.
Where does it say his bat needs to be ignited? It’s not within the circles! Is this because they are under the category of Ignited (meaning his bat is en fuego.) which also happens to be the category where the ability to deal x damage when an incinerate fails to apply is?

Yes I agree effects are effects (debuffs and passives; I grasped the general passive/buff/debuff before the game conveyed the info). And yes if Masacre’s bat was en fuego and he had a passive incinerate ability he imparted when struck there would be no question. But see... his bat no en fuego which is a prerequisite, just like the other circled/boxed abilities listed under Ignited.
What im trying to say everything in Ignite column has to do with incinerate mechanics. Same goes to ignition charges, everything has to do with with them are in the flammable column, as simple example in same flammable column it says “While ignited Masacre cannot gain additional ignition charges” its there not because bat is ignited but because of ignition charges mechanics. By your logic this while ignited should be in Ignite column. Same goes to “Each incinerate effects fails to apply” its next to ignition not because of bat needs to be ignited but because of incinerate mechanics.

*edited wrong usage of word prerequisite
Hate to tell you but you are wrong.

Care to explain why “While ignited Masacre cannot gain additional ignition charges” not in Ignited section?

CoatHang3r

No, by my logic since “...fails to apply due to an immunity...” doesn’t require the ignited state, it does not accurately describe the ability when placed under Ignited.

What’s in the box! What’s in the box(es)!
(Things Masacre does when his bat en fuego.)

By your interpretation Masacre should do all this at all times.

Voltolos

Lets go back to this one again. So, can anyone here read? Because IMIW autoblock is clearly listed under his 'Molecular Armor Passives' but he doesnt need even a single one for it to activate (if he has 4 armor effects from somewhere else). So is this a bug or is it possible that sometimes an ability is listed somewhere not because it absolutely has to be there but just because it makes more sense to list related abilities (like 'how Incinerate is applied' and 'what happens if it fails' or 'how armor effects can be gained' and 'what happens if there are a lot of them') in the same category even if one of them doesnt really belong there?

nOux

No, by my logic since “...fails to apply due to an immunity...” doesn’t require the ignited state, it does not accurately describe the ability when placed under Ignited.

What’s in the box! What’s in the box(es)!
(Things Masacre does when his bat en fuego.)

By your interpretation Masacre should do all this at all times.

In that same box then should be “While ignited Masacre cannot gain additional ignition charges”. But why it isn’t in there? It needs bat to be ignited to behave like that.

nOux

Like the post above said its placed where it makes scene. Incinerate next to incinerate mechanics and ignition charges next to other ignition charges mechanics.

CoatHang3r

It clearly says each bat hit applies an incinerate, hitting into block generates power and +ridonkulous attack if blocked.

Why you cannot explain why Masacre isn’t also doing these things shouldn’t be hard, I can’t understand why you can’t tell me and it’s beyond me; they’re circled!

See in these circles it says he does all this...but he is not.

Circles are cool.🤣

Because bat needs to be ignited to place INCINERATE DEBUFFS, like everything else in this column has one thing in common is INCINERATE MECHANICS. Masacre bat places INCINERATE DEBUFFS while its ignited. These INCINERATE DEBUFFS increase duration for each INCINERATE DEBUFFS on opponent. Each time INCINERATE EFFECTS (not debuffs, meaning all incinerate effects) fail to apply... it does not say like it said before about “THOSE INCINERATE DEBUFFS” they clearly used different wording to explain that it applies to all incinerate effects not only incinerate debuffs from Masacre bat.
Where does it say his bat needs to be ignited? It’s not within the circles! Is this because they are under the category of Ignited (meaning his bat is en fuego.) which also happens to be the category where the ability to deal x damage when an incinerate fails to apply is?

Yes I agree effects are effects (debuffs and passives; I grasped the general passive/buff/debuff before the game conveyed the info). And yes if Masacre’s bat was en fuego and he had a passive incinerate ability he imparted when struck there would be no question. But see... his bat no en fuego which is a prerequisite, just like the other circled/boxed abilities listed under Ignited.
What im trying to say everything in Ignite column has to do with incinerate mechanics. Same goes to ignition charges, everything has to do with with them are in the flammable column, as simple example in same flammable column it says “While ignited Masacre cannot gain additional ignition charges” its there not because bat is ignited but because of ignition charges mechanics. By your logic this while ignited should be in Ignite column. Same goes to “Each incinerate effects fails to apply” its next to ignition not because of bat needs to be ignited but because of incinerate mechanics.

*edited wrong usage of word prerequisite
Hate to tell you but you are wrong.
Care to explain why “While ignited Masacre cannot gain additional ignition charges” not in Ignited section?

Circles for this one right? (because you’re going in circles.) It’s describing ignition charges. 🤦🏼

Gamer

Why even try to help man this get out of hand or more confused what it need to be @Kabam Zibiit Migt need to get cler one this matter

nOux

It clearly says each bat hit applies an incinerate, hitting into block generates power and +ridonkulous attack if blocked.

Why you cannot explain why Masacre isn’t also doing these things shouldn’t be hard, I can’t understand why you can’t tell me and it’s beyond me; they’re circled!

See in these circles it says he does all this...but he is not.

Circles are cool.🤣

Because bat needs to be ignited to place INCINERATE DEBUFFS, like everything else in this column has one thing in common is INCINERATE MECHANICS. Masacre bat places INCINERATE DEBUFFS while its ignited. These INCINERATE DEBUFFS increase duration for each INCINERATE DEBUFFS on opponent. Each time INCINERATE EFFECTS (not debuffs, meaning all incinerate effects) fail to apply... it does not say like it said before about “THOSE INCINERATE DEBUFFS” they clearly used different wording to explain that it applies to all incinerate effects not only incinerate debuffs from Masacre bat.
Where does it say his bat needs to be ignited? It’s not within the circles! Is this because they are under the category of Ignited (meaning his bat is en fuego.) which also happens to be the category where the ability to deal x damage when an incinerate fails to apply is?

Yes I agree effects are effects (debuffs and passives; I grasped the general passive/buff/debuff before the game conveyed the info). And yes if Masacre’s bat was en fuego and he had a passive incinerate ability he imparted when struck there would be no question. But see... his bat no en fuego which is a prerequisite, just like the other circled/boxed abilities listed under Ignited.
What im trying to say everything in Ignite column has to do with incinerate mechanics. Same goes to ignition charges, everything has to do with with them are in the flammable column, as simple example in same flammable column it says “While ignited Masacre cannot gain additional ignition charges” its there not because bat is ignited but because of ignition charges mechanics. By your logic this while ignited should be in Ignite column. Same goes to “Each incinerate effects fails to apply” its next to ignition not because of bat needs to be ignited but because of incinerate mechanics.

*edited wrong usage of word prerequisite
Hate to tell you but you are wrong.
Care to explain why “While ignited Masacre cannot gain additional ignition charges” not in Ignited section?
Circles for this one right? (because you’re going in circles.) It’s describing ignition charges. 🤦🏼

Thats what im trying to say, ignite charges mechanics are next to flammable and incinerate mechanics next to the Ignited. Thats why it clarifies “While ignited Masacre cannot gain additional ignition charges” same as “Each time incinerate effect ( not only debuff that applied by the bat that is mentioned as debuff not effect ) fails to apply...” there is a reason why they changed terminology of incinerate effect from debuff.

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