Mr Fantastic evading Beardo

Just fought Mr Fantastic in AW with beardo. My Beardo had 3 kinetic charges and Mr F evaded. Beardo is supposed to shut down 100% defensive abilities while charged. I read both sets of abilities and still don't think this should happen.

Is this a bug?

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Whododo872

Not how beardo’s AAR works
It’s only DURING the L1

Hammerbro_64

Beardo is probably one of the worst champs to use vs MF because he inflicts so many debuffs (increasing evade chance) unless you just parry heavy until you have 2-3 bars.

Frosty

Sorry i meant to write that he evaded during his lvl 1

Frosty

I was only using parry heavy. Mr F was almost dead so i launched lvl 1 as he shouldn't have been able to evade

ECOMA

100 percent reduction doesnt account for his 5 percent addition so if 1 debuff

Captiw goes to 95% and so on.

Frosty

Wrong with your math. Its a negative %

Mr fantastic has a 5% chance per debuff
Subtract beardo 100%
Leaves Mr fantastic with a -95% chance ti evade.
Its the same with any evader, none of them can evade because Beardo lvl 1 is supposed to shut it down

Patchie93

How many debuffs did you have on him? How many debuffs were on you?

SiriusBreak

Yeah, stick with the Parry/Heavy method for Stretch. Has yet to fail me. Or bring some True Strike action and you won't have to worry about it. I love my Beardo and he wrecks Stretch all day if you take the time to just Parry/Heavy. If the fight is long enough, wait til you're at a S3 to avoid any last minute slinky evades.

Skillful_star

What I understand is that the ability accuracy doesn't land trigger unless the first hit lands so if he evaded during the first hit than that's it. That's why I prefer to parry 2 combo into sp1 the first hit lands guaranteeing the AAR and he can't evade the rest.
Note: if he evaded the latter part of the sp1 then something is wrong.

Frosty

If that's the way it works then that's what happened. He definitely evaded the first hit.

Still seems like it shouldn't work that way but it's not a surprise with the way some other things work.

ECOMA

Uhh that's the same math if captiw loses 5 percent chance to stop the evade it's the same as saying he has a 95 % chance to stop it.

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Lvernon15

Did he have enhanced abilities node or that node that increases evade ability accuracy?

Frosty

Its not the same math at all.
You're saying Cap has a 95% chance to stop the evade
I'm saying the Mr Fantastic has a negative 95% chance to actually evade making it impossible for him to do it

100-5 is not the same as 5-100

A negative chance to evade means they can't evade which is the way his lvl 1 works against all evaders.

Skillful_star

Ok so this is the way that I understand everything related to Ability accuracy reduction. Imagine 2 dice being rolled. One is for ability accuracy and the other is the ability itself (5% evade in this case).
The ability accuracy on all abilities of all champs is 100% at base(unless stated otherwise in the character's abilities). So if you reduce the ability accuracy of the evade by say 40%. Then the first dice is rolled and if you land on the 60% then the second dice is rolled(the second dice is the 5% evade one) and if you land on the 95% then Reed will take the hit otherwise he'll evade. But if you were to land on the 40% on the first dice then the second doesn't even roll. So if you were to say reduce the ability accuracy by 100% the second die for the duration of that AAR will not roll at all. AAR and abilities are connected just not in numbers but probability. And since the AAR on the sp1 of cap(iw) only triggers if the first hit lands on the opponent, I think that explains that.

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shadow_lurker22

Pretty sure that's not how percents work I don't know where you are getting -100% from that would mean MF had 0 evade and you reduced it. Cap has a 100% chance to prevent evade which means MF has a 0% evade but with a debuff MF gains a 5% chance and reduces Caps evade stop by 5% meaning Cap now had 95% chance to stop it.

shadow_lurker22

Cap Infinity War

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Frosty

Thank you for understanding the math involved

I'm aware it is defensive ability accuracy reduction and not "evade" but wouldn't evade be considered a defensive ability.

I don't believe there was an enhanced abilities node in the fight though. If there was though wouldn't it need to enhance the evade past the 100% reduction

Frosty

The -100% comes from the fact that its a reduction. Last i checked reduction meant it reduces ( subtraction or negative numbers)

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shadow_lurker22

But you are subtracting from 0 you should be reducing to 0

ECOMA

Right 100 reduction of daar =0 one debuff adds 5% so your left at 5

Not negative 95

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ECOMA

Then explain why a max sig widow used to glance against a max sig antman.

Both had 100 widow had 100 percent chance to **** down daar. Yet antman could glance cause daar took precedent and stopped her abilities. From being 100

Daar>aar

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ECOMA

Notice I said used too widow had 100 please read before you open your mouth next time to avoid looking like a fool.

Kthxbye

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