Lose Yourself to the Abyss!

Summoner!

Since The Contest began, an extreme danger has lurked around every corner, ready to prey on those seeking a true challenge…

First, The Realm of Legends was created by the Collector, with the intention that no Summoner would pass through it. The days grew into months before the first Legend of The Contest was able to claim victory over the Realm. Now, this relic of the early days of The Contest plays its role as a test of strength against the one-armed Assassin.

Then, seeking to trivialize his brother’s accomplishment, The Grandmaster created the Labyrinth of Legends to test the skill of the Summoners of The Battlerealm. His determination to break the Summoner’s spirit was met by our Summoners determination to best the Grandmaster’s game.

Now, a dark presence, formerly unknown to all, has opened up their corner of the Battlerealm. Dare to delve into this pocket of despair and dread, where hope goes to die.

Welcome to The Abyss of Legends!

The Abyss of Legends is the hardest content ever seen in The Contest.

This is the new Everest of content in the game. With each addition such as Realm, Labyrinth, and now the Abyss, the intention is to create content that Summoners will grow into in the coming months and years, and not content that can be fully explored in an afternoon.

When Realm of Legends was introduced, it was several months before all of the secrets and tools were uncovered to beat it. This is our goal for The Abyss.

Doesn’t sound so bad? I like your optimism. Shame it won’t do any good here.

Firstly, to enter the Abyss, you must have earned the Cavalier designation. If you have not yet been able to complete Act 6, Chapter 1, The Abyss is being locked away for your own safety.

Like the Labyrinth, The Abyss has an extensive, twisting map, with multiple paths and a locked camera, preventing you from scouting ahead. Unlike Labyrinth’s 2 Global Buffs, Abyss has 7.

Bear in mind, Summoner, the “Mark of the Labyrinth” buff contained multiple smaller effects encapsulated in one single buff. The Abyss breaks all of these effects into different buffs to allow the space to better describe them.

Additionally, many of your encounters will introduce new abilities to Champions that you are not familiar with. Be sure to read up on these every time you come across an encounter.
Rewards

Besides the standard Completion and Mastery rewards, the Abyss has 5 Abyssal Chests scattered throughout. Once claimed the chest will not respawn. Though these are rare, each one contains great treasures.

Legends of the Abyss

The first 20 to 100% explore the Abyss will receive a duped 6* Thanos (2x 6-Star Thanos).
The first 300 to 100% explore the Abyss will earn a Legends title.
The first 300 to 100% explore the Abyss will also receive a 5* Kang & a 6-Star Awakening Gem Crystal.
The first 300 will also get Legends points, as detailed in the Legends Leaderboard section below.

Yes, you read that correctly - first to Explore. Unlike our event quest Legends Runs, where the best times in a given window receive Legends titles and rewards, Abyss Legends are first-come, first-served.

We will be periodically (after the first few weeks, about once a month) checking to see who completed Abyss, review their play, and award Legends.

Abyss of Legends - Legends Points
#1 -300 Points
Top 20 - 250 Points
Top 100 - 100 Points
Top 200 - 75 Points
Top 300 - 50 Points

Our Vow

Let it be known, Summoner, that using any nefarious exploits, cheats, or other manners of manipulation will not be tolerated in The Abyss, and will be dealt with swiftly.

All those that make their way through the Abyss will be reviewed to ensure their legitimacy before any Legends prizes are awarded.

The Abyss does not deal in second chances, and will banish forever those who would attempt to break its rules.
The wait is almost over…
The long awaited, and fabled follow up, to the Labyrinth of Legends will be here on January 22nd at 10AM PST.

Heed these words, Summoner! The Abyss is not a challenge to be trifled with. We do not expect anyone to conquer the challenge any time soon. You will fail multiple times, but you can use those first attempts to acquaint yourself with the challenge ahead before you commit to taking on the darkness of The Abyss of Legends!

Comments

StevieManWonder

After reading through all the posts, I realize that the issue isn't the damage cap, it's the hit limit. I agree with what most everyone else said, without a way to pause the loss of the skirmish and warfare stacks, you are removing skill from the equation and making it solely about money/unit spend.

Greywarden

Complete content with a r4 6* so you can r3 a 6*,....got it.

RagamugginGunner

How many charges will an L3 use up?

BPT_Corey2386

It’s definitely all about money.Its not about skill somebody like COW can just pay his way through.Also definitely not created for players to enjoy,have fun or be entertained in the least nothing in the post looks enjoyable.

Just grueling,stressful,aggravating and rage inducing(great game design)created to bleed you dry of money buying units or/also milk players to buy Cavs and resources to “grow the breath of you’re roster”.

But hey it’s permanent content so no rush wait until the rewards are outdated like Lab rewards are now or until you get a 2nd job,hit the lottery,take out a loan or rob a bank just to be able to complete content in a video game.

Darkness275

Damage AND hit cap? Amazing idea.

The commentary on certain players never completing this and certain factors here having nothing to do with skill... so can we expect to see anyone from Kabam actually complete this content? Particularly without needing to spend money/units?

Onmix

Damage AND hit cap? Amazing idea.

The commentary on certain players never completing this and certain factors here having nothing to do with skill... so can we expect to see anyone from Kabam actually complete this content? Particularly without needing to spend money/units?

I don’t like the damage cap or the hit cap but I think it’s pretty clear the intent.
No, you can’t expect someone from kabam completing this content and CERTAINLY not without spending. It doesn’t matter if they can/will complete it.
The point of the Abyss is to be THE MOST DIFFICULT content there is. You WILL have to spend if you want to complete it now. If not then wait.

Derek2k

Ok guys they are basically telling you they are releasing content that you can't beat. Meaning use wallet or wait 4 years. I'm sure speaking here on the forums I'm talking to the wrong people but guys just don't do it. If it indeed comes out and you can tell it's impossible with a bazillion units just don't do it simple as that. Let that wallets do it and go have fun doing something else is all.

Derek2k

You said you are going to be reviewing people who run through abyss. Does this mean you will make sure people are not using mercs to do it? Or just hacking the game.

I'd really like to see perma bans for people piloting and using mercs

I'm glad they actually answered the question seatin posed. I've been trying to ask this every time something comes out. It seems they just can't stop Mercs or hackers for whatever reason bro.

Onmix

I don’t see the hit cap any different from the enrage timer back in the day. Yeah maybe with synergies you could achieve a larger timer but it essentially punished you from bringing someone not at the level for it. So, it’s basically the same just harder (which makes sense).

Now, the damage cap I am disappointed it exists. I really thought all this insane specials were going to shine here.

But the worst of ALL is the locked camera. I wish you would remove it. Imo it doesn’t add difficulty in a quest. It adds a nuisance.

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RagamugginGunner

I don’t see the hit cap any different from the enrage timer back in the day. Yeah maybe with synergies you could achieve a larger timer but it essentially punished you from bringing someone not at the level for it. So, it’s basically the same just harder (which makes sense).

Now, the damage cap I am disappointed it exists. I really thought all this insane specials were going to shine here.

But the worst of ALL is the locked camera. I wish you would remove it. Imo it doesn’t add difficulty in a quest. It adds a nuisance.

Most LOL fights needed well over 240 hits but all are soloable with the correct skill.

ECOMA

I don’t see the hit cap any different from the enrage timer back in the day. Yeah maybe with synergies you could achieve a larger timer but it essentially punished you from bringing someone not at the level for it. So, it’s basically the same just harder (which makes sense).

Now, the damage cap I am disappointed it exists. I really thought all this insane specials were going to shine here.

But the worst of ALL is the locked camera. I wish you would remove it. Imo it doesn’t add difficulty in a quest. It adds a nuisance.

A hit cap literally punishes skill and rewards nothing but money it's a bad direction to go

RoninMan

A way to refresh or pause the skirmish and warfare charges would have been the perfect way to balance skill vs spending.
Great idea. Something like intercepts add 10 hits to the combo or something like that. If you play perfectly you can solo the fights. As it loos now you won't be able to do that.
In general I'm in favor of skill-based challenges over mechanical limiting challenges, but as the Abyss is supposed to be challenging not just to players of, say, my caliber but specifically a very very difficult challenge for even the most skilled players in the game, what skill challenge could we invent that would challenge them? Making skirmish charges refresh with intercepting is tantamount to making them practically not exist for top players.

It is extremely difficult to think up a skill challenge that, say, mvincible can't do at all today but could learn to do in, say, a couple months of practice. To me, that's the only kind of skill challenge that would be acceptable for the Abyss when it comes to something like forestalling the effects of skirmish and warfare charges. If it doesn't challenge them in that way, then it isn't a challenge for those players it is just a reward for them to scoop up.

I apologize in advance if this sounds snarky but can you explain how putting a damage and combo meter cap on every fight makes the Abyss more skill based than adding a mechanic that refreshes charges with intercepting? As it sounds now the Abyss is not really a skill based challenge. It’s either a cash throw down or wait two years until you have an 8* R4 champ that has both a high enough CR and attack value to be able to do it without being forced to revive.

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MattMan

Cash cow.

The whales will spend to finish it within a week.

By the time most players are able to tackle this the rewards will be so out of date (like LOL is now) that it won’t be worth the effort.

TheInfinty

The damage cap is annoying as well for a limited amount of hits and the biggest healthpools we’ve ever seen punishes skill and rewards a big wallet
If you're not ready to do this yet, come back when you've built out/up your Roster! This content isn't going anywhere!

Way to completely dodge the question

DNA3000

A way to refresh or pause the skirmish and warfare charges would have been the perfect way to balance skill vs spending.
Great idea. Something like intercepts add 10 hits to the combo or something like that. If you play perfectly you can solo the fights. As it loos now you won't be able to do that.
In general I'm in favor of skill-based challenges over mechanical limiting challenges, but as the Abyss is supposed to be challenging not just to players of, say, my caliber but specifically a very very difficult challenge for even the most skilled players in the game, what skill challenge could we invent that would challenge them? Making skirmish charges refresh with intercepting is tantamount to making them practically not exist for top players.

It is extremely difficult to think up a skill challenge that, say, mvincible can't do at all today but could learn to do in, say, a couple months of practice. To me, that's the only kind of skill challenge that would be acceptable for the Abyss when it comes to something like forestalling the effects of skirmish and warfare charges. If it doesn't challenge them in that way, then it isn't a challenge for those players it is just a reward for them to scoop up.
I apologize in advance if this sounds snarky but can you explain how putting a damage and combo meter cap on every fight makes the Abyss more skill based than adding a mechanic that refreshes charges with intercepting?

I did not say it did. I said that particular "skill challenge" was insufficiently high to challenge the top players in the game, and the intent is to challenge the top players in the game, not to challenge the intermediate players of the game while the top players of the game intercept their way to easy rewards.

The combo meter cap is not in and of itself an especially skill-related challenge, but it does create an additional challenge that top players cannot simply side step. And in content like the Abyss intended to challenge even the top players of the game, *first* it has to actually be a challenge to them. I'd prefer more skill-oriented challenges, but a skill-oriented challenge that is too easy transforms the content from something intended to challenge them to something that simply rewards them for existing. The one place this shouldn't happen is in content like the Abyss.

I have suggested ways to make content that is extremely difficult but also extremely skill-oriented, so I don't think that is an impossible task. But I'm acknowledging here that if it isn't hard enough, it doesn't matter if it involves skill. Not in this specific piece of content.

Zuko_ILC

7 t2a for completion but only 4 for exporation?

Less than 100% LOL.....no clue on the reasoning there.

RagamugginGunner

7 t2a for completion but only 4 for exporation?
Less than 100% LOL.....no clue on the reasoning there.

That has to be 14 t2a right?

ECOMA

7 t2a for completion but only 4 for exporation?
Less than 100% LOL.....no clue on the reasoning there.

Technically theres 5 chests which have t2a as well right?
I mean it still feels wrong but

RagamugginGunner

7 t2a for completion but only 4 for exporation?
Less than 100% LOL.....no clue on the reasoning there.
Technically theres 5 chests which have t2a as well right?
I mean it still feels wrong but

I don't think that each chest has all those rewards. Just one of them.

If the chests do contain all of the rewards then that would be a huge difference.

Mhykke

Damage cap, locked map, 240 hit combo tops. This is just ridiculous. Plus no skill way to solo any of these fights with any current champ available. Typical kabam.
If you're not ready for the hardest content in the Game, we're not forcing you. We've tossed every challenge from Labyrinth, and many more into this. Some will never beat it, and others will take years.

Or maybe those you suggest may take “years” just move on to other games. Seems bizarre to put out content with the expectation people are fine taking 3-4+ years to complete, get rewards that are good for today (not years later,) for a mobile game. You’re an optimistic bunch, I’ll give you that.

I was excited for the abyss, now I’m meh...

ECOMA

7 t2a for completion but only 4 for exporation?
Less than 100% LOL.....no clue on the reasoning there.
Technically theres 5 chests which have t2a as well right?
I mean it still feels wrong but
I don't think that each chest has all those rewards. Just one of them.

If the chests do contain all of the rewards then that would be a huge difference.

Oh God dont say that I'd be pissed if I found a chest with 500k gold for that effort

xNig

I think the community is undervaluing the rewards here, based on T5B and T2A amounts.

My personal view is that, based on the announced information, the Abyss has 5 paths, all with chests on them.

This means that Kabam did indeed listen to feedback about LOL that subsequent clears we’re underwhelming (completion runs #2-6) and shifted some of the exploration rewards out to chests to alleviate that concern.

So upon completion, we are looking at 1 additional t5b, t2a, 20 Sig stones, 5* crystal etc. Each subsequent completion run will also award the “additional” rewards up to the final exploration run.

Hence, imo, rewards wise, no issues.

However, layout wise, I agree with the majority of players that the camera should not be locked. As much as it’s a maze, a more confusing intersecting layout of the map would sufficiently address this aspect.

But if the aim is to milk the impatient whales who aren’t gonna wait for community crowdsourced map, then it wouldn’t affect us anyway, since 95% of those who plan to attempt it will wait for the map anyway.

Engage timers, seriously? Why? Having this cap of 240-260 hits severely limits champion and mastery options which imo, isn’t beneficial to any party. Like many mentioned above, rewarding skilled play is a better way around it.

Others have suggested above that the charges could be increased through the use of certain actions, and I agree with them, although having some reservations with regards to certain mechanics, mainly, the “miss” mechanic.

Personally, I feel that the most skilled play in this game is the use of intercepts and recent content seems to be agreeing and rewarding the use of intercepts, such as Do Not Go Gentle etc.

Hence I would suggest removing the global buffs that include charges and change them into the following:

“The attacker starts the fight with 100 Skirmish Charges. Upon taking a block, landing a hit, or getting hit, the attacker loses 1 Charge. The attacker also loses 5 charges per missed hit of the defender. Intercepting an attack gains the attacker 5 charges, and knocking them down gains the attacker 1 charge. Once the Charges reach 0, the defender is permanently unstoppable and unblockable.”

(I explored LOL in August 2016. Just missing out on the Legends title for it.)

xNig

*June 2017. No idea why the post went to approval.

FreeToPlay_21

If Guillotine 2099 starts the fight with a 100 hit combo meter, how will this interact with the number of Skirmish charges on the opponent? If this were to instantly remove 100 Skirmish charges from the opponent, Guillotine 2099 would be pretty much unusable.

Can someone clear this up please?

Onmix

I don’t see the hit cap any different from the enrage timer back in the day. Yeah maybe with synergies you could achieve a larger timer but it essentially punished you from bringing someone not at the level for it. So, it’s basically the same just harder (which makes sense).

Now, the damage cap I am disappointed it exists. I really thought all this insane specials were going to shine here.

But the worst of ALL is the locked camera. I wish you would remove it. Imo it doesn’t add difficulty in a quest. It adds a nuisance.
Most LOL fights needed well over 240 hits but all are soloable with the correct skill.

Back then ? Every fight ? I don’t think so. BW, Juggs, Maestro. I don’t remember them being soloable with a R4 SL

Remember this is NOT lol. This is supposed to be harder.

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Onmix

I don’t see the hit cap any different from the enrage timer back in the day. Yeah maybe with synergies you could achieve a larger timer but it essentially punished you from bringing someone not at the level for it. So, it’s basically the same just harder (which makes sense).

Now, the damage cap I am disappointed it exists. I really thought all this insane specials were going to shine here.

But the worst of ALL is the locked camera. I wish you would remove it. Imo it doesn’t add difficulty in a quest. It adds a nuisance.
A hit cap literally punishes skill and rewards nothing but money it's a bad direction to go

Right now yes. Eventually, when we have the necessary level of champs to do it, it won’t. A R4 maybe will be able to do it

I’m sorry but this is what they are aiming for. That’s the intent. There is no skill cap available in this game given the level of players we have. At least I can’t think of something skill based where the top players won’t be able to do it rather quickly. Of course I could be wrong here but even then (without the hit cap and with another skill-challenge) all you need is a little bad luck for that 1% evade and you’ll still die.

Trust me. I don’t like it. I’d rather have it with the skill-challenge. But as I saw lol and now this, I don’t think this content is meant for that.

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