the new black market

thanks, i hate it.

also, how about you go ahead and fix the price of that legendary crystal before i laugh so hard my eyeballs fall out. thx.

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GinjabredMonsta

Details?

mgj0630

Agreed!

I actually made the mistake of blindly purchasing that legendary crystal as I went through the motions (cause most things in the store are actually a good value with regards to what you give and get back). The legendary however, my God!

I'm not gonna sit here and complain to get my shards back. That's my fault for pulling the trigger without actually thinking about it. Moving forward though, I would really love to understand Kabam's logic here, and if the will be addressing it again.

You're essentially charging a fixed 2 1/2 4* for an 80% chance to get a 4* anyway. As someone with a packed roster, I'm now getting less four star champs (which I don't need anyway), but more importantly, I'm likely getting 550 less 5* shards.

I've been a big fan of the Black ISO market to date, but definitely a big swing and a miss on the legendary crystal Kabam. Maybe something like 6,000 3* shards?

Kabam Vydious

We appreciate any constructive feedback you can offer. Simply saying "thanks, i hate it" doesn't really tell us what your full thoughts are. Thanks in advance for clarifying!

Kirklin

We appreciate any constructive feedback you can offer. Simply saying "thanks, i hate it" doesn't really tell us what your full thoughts are. Thanks in advance for clarifying!

Spending 5k four star shards for a 4* champions seems stupid to me.

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DenRod

It's a very small upgrade to be honest, but I guess we'll take what we can get.

Regarding the new Legendary Crystal, stay away from that. Its price tag is laughable, big miss on their evaluation. It's just not worth it. Have opened so many of these things and only remember pulling a single one 5* ever.

StevieManWonder

The legendary crystal should be a MAX of 3000 four star shards, but it really should be 2,000 four star shards since you are more likely to pull a four star anyways

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Vartox

We appreciate any constructive feedback you can offer. Simply saying "thanks, i hate it" doesn't really tell us what your full thoughts are. Thanks in advance for clarifying!

Then legendary crystal for 5k 4 star shards is a rip off, no we don't have to buy it but we lost the chance to turn 2k 4 star shards to 1k 5 star for that? Kinda lame. In the end it really doesn't matter now, cause I won't be buying the sigil anymore

Austin555555

The legendary crystal should be a MAX of 3000 four star shards, but it really should be 2,000 four star shards since you are more likely to pull a four star anyways

Completely agree. 5k is way too expensive for an 80% chance to end up waisting shards.
3k should be the price. Much more reasonable

SummonerNR

You're essentially charging a fixed 2 1/2 4* for an 80% chance to get a 4* anyway. As someone with a packed roster, I'm now getting less four star champs (which I don't need anyway), but more importantly, I'm likely getting 550 less 5* shards.

Math...
Assuming that you don’t care one bit about any more 4* champs because you have most of them anyways (except for using 5* Shards you get from pulling 4* Dups), and your 5* are exceeding your 4* in strength because you’re starting to take those 5* champs to higher ranks ...

Getting a Dup 4* would give only 275 shards toward 5*.
Let's do calculations based on buying 5 of these Legendary black market crystals (since over the long haul doing 5 of them will average out to pulling one 5* champ from them).

———
5 Legendaries will cost you 25,000x 4* Shards.
(on average) you will pull one whole 5* champ (which otherwise equates to 10,000x 5* Shards cost), and will also give you another 1100x 5* Shards (4 * 275) from the (assumed) 4* Dups of the rest.

Versus using 25,000x 4* Shards all on normal 4* crystals.
You would get (assumed Dups, and even rounding up to 26,000) 3575x 5* Shards (13 * 275).
And let’s give the benefit of doubt that maybe 8 of the 13 will have also been Max Sig as well, that would be another 2200x 5* Shards. For a total of only 5775x 5* Shards.

— Summary —
So buying 5 Legendaries would have given you (on average) the equivalent of 11,100x 5* Shards. In the form of an actual 5* champ plus another 1100x (at a minimum, because didn’t even account for potential MaxSig from those 4 other Legendaries that gave you 4* Dups).

Versus using them as 4* would have only received around 5775x 5* Shards. That's about half as much as if you bought the black market Legendaries instead.

Nabz034

thanks, i hate it.

also, how about you go ahead and fix the price of that legendary crystal before i laugh so hard my eyeballs fall out. thx.

Agree, they lowered the good things and added what? An 80% chance to get a 4* hero but at 2.5 x the cost?

Was reluctant to purchase this current month even with it being for only $10, but I know for certain this’ll be the last month I buy.

Man, these guys wrote the book on making bad customer decisions. If anyone ever wanted to write a paper on how not to treat customers, this is the perfect blueprint.

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Johnyzero

Not sure why you guys found it necessary to lower the amount of 5* shards available in the store. I thought you guys wanted to make 5* shards more available and not reduce the amount?

ch4rn

certainy not renewing my sigil

Neotwism

@Vartox we didn't lose the chance to purchase 1k 5* shards. They changed the refresh period on them.

Feuerschwer

A lot of the things are on a 7-day instead of 14-day refresh, so that does matter: the 5* shards refresh every week now, so you get 2 a week instead of 1.5 a week (assuming you have the 4* shards to afford it)

RiderofHell

According to the chart it shows Legendary at 14 days

Nabz034

We appreciate any constructive feedback you can offer. Simply saying "thanks, i hate it" doesn't really tell us what your full thoughts are. Thanks in advance for clarifying!

@Kabam Vydious

Let me explain it this way...let’s there was a dinner buffet you kinda liked, they had some stuff there, but just enough to keep you coming back. Then one day you went to this buffet, the the stuff you liked wasn’t there anymore, and was replaced with something you’d never put on your plate. And when you asked management, why? You got one of these 🤷🏻‍♂️

Don’t frequent buffets, Same here...

Or let’s say you signed up for those monthly Prize Crates where, and $10 a month was just enough to keep you subscribed. And one month you opened the box and the stuff you actually liked getting was cut in half and replaced with a board game, something you’d never use. And when you asked why? You got one of these 🤷🏼

Don’t subscribe to that stuff, me neither...

Ok, let’s say you go to a gym, and for $10 a month, it’s open all day and night. Small place, but you were able to do cardio and lift weights and do aerobics, you used all three....one day you walked in, and one of the three aspects was replaced with something you’d never use. When you asked why, you got one of these 🤷‍♀️

Don’t work out?

Ok, np, let’s say you purchased a monthly bus pass, and rather than taking you to your destination where you had to walk three blocks, now you gotta walk a 6-blocks even though the driver passes your old drop off, and when you asked why...well, hopefully you get the point by now.

You took something that most people barely felt was worth buying due to the fact that you have to use items to level up champs and go through resources like crazy just to even make it worth buying and made it worse.

Hope that helps

Plinko

5k 4*shards for an 80% chance at a 4* champ. With your "RNG", that's almost a guaranteed 4* for almost double the price for paying customers on a mobile game. If you can't understand what is wrong with that then nobody can help you.

DenRod

Not sure why you guys found it necessary to lower the amount of 5* shards available in the store. I thought you guys wanted to make 5* shards more available and not reduce the amount?

There's some misunderstanding going on. They have actually increased the amount of 5* shards available to 4000 per 14 days, compared to 3000 previously.

A few other items have seem a slight increase in availability per 14 days as well. So there is some silver lining to be found here.

Neotwism

Reading the comments I think a lot of u missed the post about the changes. The items that they reduced the quantity on they lowered the refresh time. We aren't losing anything only gaining more in most instances.

Neotwism

@Nabz034 do u realize most of the items r refreshed every 7 days now so we end up getting more than we previously did?

DenRod

You're essentially charging a fixed 2 1/2 4* for an 80% chance to get a 4* anyway. As someone with a packed roster, I'm now getting less four star champs (which I don't need anyway), but more importantly, I'm likely getting 550 less 5* shards.
Math...
Assuming that you don’t care one bit about any more 4* champs because you have most of them anyways (except for using 5* Shards you get from pulling 4* Dups), and your 5* are exceeding your 4* in strength because you’re starting to take those 5* champs to higher ranks ...

Getting a Dup 4* would give only 275 shards toward 5*.
Let's do calculations based on buying 5 of these Legendary black market crystals (since over the long haul doing 5 of them will average out to pulling one 5* champ from them).

———
5 Legendaries will cost you 25,000x 4* Shards.
(on average) you will pull one whole 5* champ (which otherwise equates to 10,000x 5* Shards cost), and will also give you another 1100x 5* Shards (4 * 275) from the (assumed) 4* Dups of the rest.

Versus using 25,000x 4* Shards all on normal 4* crystals.
You would get (assumed Dups, and even rounding up to 26,000) 3575x 5* Shards (13 * 275).
And let’s give the benefit of doubt that maybe 8 of the 13 will have also been Max Sig as well, that would be another 2200x 5* Shards. For a total of only 5775x 5* Shards.

— Summary —
So buying 5 Legendaries would have given you (on average) the equivalent of 11,100x 5* Shards. In the form of an actual 5* champ plus another 1100x (at a minimum, because didn’t even account for potential MaxSig from those 4 other Legendaries that gave you 4* Dups).

Versus using them as 4* would have only received around 5775x 5* Shards. That's about half as much as if you bought the black market Legendaries instead.

Your math is correct, but you are forgetting to consider some very important factors:

In order to acquire 5 Legendary Crystals via Black Iso Store you'd have to wait for 28 days (assuming you are buying your 1st today). Even after those 28 days, you'll still have the chance to end up with just 5 4*, since it is RNG based regardless of your average math. You can always pull the trigger on another 35 days (now you have to wait another week to buy your 1st one) and see what happens.

Some people will be super lucky and actually get multiple 5* when opening a batch of 5 Legendary Crystals, but since we are talking about averages here, that gets cancelled out by the other bigger amount that will either open 0 or just 1.

Two very important factors come into play now. First you have to account for the frustration that is opening 25000 4* shards to find yourself with only 5 4* in the screen in front of you. It's a fact that a big portion of players that do decide to adopt your math are going to be facing. If you ask me, I don't think it's worth to throw the dice in being one of them.

Secondly, when you are opening your 5000 4* shards as soon as you get them instead of saving for a Legendary Crystals every 7 days, you are readily having access to whatever 5* shards amount you end up getting. That allows you to make better decisions concerning a fully formed 5* crystal to open, potential rank-ups and finding champions faster to clear more content.

In my opinion, the uncertainty of maybe getting a better return out of 28 days to who knows how many more (too long of a period in which you are more than likely receiving diminishing returns) is just not enough to justify gambling 5775 5* shards in order to acquire 11100 (or maybe 12200 as you pointed out with possible max sig crystals).

Plinko

5k 4*shards for an 80% chance at a 4* champ. With your "RNG", that's almost a guaranteed 4* for almost double the price for paying customers on a mobile game. If you can't understand what is wrong with that then nobody can help you.

I accidentally typed almost double. It's more than double the cost. That's what is disgusting about it.

Midknight007

You're essentially charging a fixed 2 1/2 4* for an 80% chance to get a 4* anyway. As someone with a packed roster, I'm now getting less four star champs (which I don't need anyway), but more importantly, I'm likely getting 550 less 5* shards.
Math...
Assuming that you don’t care one bit about any more 4* champs because you have most of them anyways (except for using 5* Shards you get from pulling 4* Dups), and your 5* are exceeding your 4* in strength because you’re starting to take those 5* champs to higher ranks ...

Getting a Dup 4* would give only 275 shards toward 5*.
Let's do calculations based on buying 5 of these Legendary black market crystals (since over the long haul doing 5 of them will average out to pulling one 5* champ from them).

———
5 Legendaries will cost you 25,000x 4* Shards.
(on average) you will pull one whole 5* champ (which otherwise equates to 10,000x 5* Shards cost), and will also give you another 1100x 5* Shards (4 * 275) from the (assumed) 4* Dups of the rest.

Versus using 25,000x 4* Shards all on normal 4* crystals.
You would get (assumed Dups, and even rounding up to 26,000) 3575x 5* Shards (13 * 275).
And let’s give the benefit of doubt that maybe 8 of the 13 will have also been Max Sig as well, that would be another 2200x 5* Shards. For a total of only 5775x 5* Shards.

— Summary —
So buying 5 Legendaries would have given you (on average) the equivalent of 11,100x 5* Shards. In the form of an actual 5* champ plus another 1100x (at a minimum, because didn’t even account for potential MaxSig from those 4 other Legendaries that gave you 4* Dups).

Versus using them as 4* would have only received around 5775x 5* Shards. That's about half as much as if you bought the black market Legendaries instead.

1) Your math is horrible, as you miss certain factors like max six gems that can net a total of 550 5* shards for each duped.
2) Your math assumes you are guaranteed a 5* out of 5 crystals. However, RNG is fickle and there is a strong chance you will get 0 for the five Legendary. People have a 15% of a 5* from a Cavalier... how many actual get 1 out of 10 crystals?

The issue is perceived probability versus actual probability. Your actual chance of getting a 5* on each crystal is still 80%. Pick up two 10-sided dice and roll them 5 times. While there is a 20% chance you will roll 80+ (one being the first number and the second die being the lower number), when you roll the dice the second time the previous roll does not increase your odds. In mathematics, the probability resets on each and every roll. There is a statistical probability that out of five attempts you will get the 20%, but it isn’t guaranteed.

Also, when you factor dupes and max sigs crystals, you need to double the 5* shards for many players that have extensive rosters. I have all 4* and almost all are max sig. many players that have been in the game 4+ years are in similar position as this.

Sorry to burst your theory, but it does not adequately reflect what actually will be experienced by many. Most people will not save up 5 legendaries... and on 5 independent attempts, most will get 5 @ 4* and not receive the 5* shards you are claiming. While statistically they should, in actuality... they will most likely not.

CoatHang3r

I was originally taken aback by the cost of the legendary but if 4*s are your goal then it isn't for you. However if 5*s are your goal you’re trading 4-8% of a 5* crystal for a 20% chance at a full 5*; This depends on how often you’ll pull a 4* max sig crystal.

CJDorro12

I’m sorry but how can you guys change the terms of the contract (change the store items) when so many people paid for the existing setup? I think you guys need to reimburse your customers and start over. That’s a bunch of **** changing the items after the fact. I will be asking for a refund because the value is just not the same now.

KelvinKage

I’m sorry but how can you guys change the terms of the contract (change the store items) when so many people paid for the existing setup? I think you guys need to reimburse your customers and start over. That’s a bunch of **** changing the items after the fact. I will be asking for a refund because the value is just not the same now.

Lmao it’s better value though....